Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hi,

I was so enthused by Lucky1's report regarding the Miele S7 that I decided to run up the street and learn if our local vac shop had gotten any in so I might give one a try too.  The answer was no but we had an interesting conversation regarding his business as of late.  From this point on there should be no need for rantings regarding whose brand is best and what is and what ain't cyclonic.  I am simply passing on the sentiments of a gentleman who has been selling and repairing vacuums here at the same address in Long Island City for more than the last 15 years.  I've done business there before and feel the owner knows his onions.  I am more interested in learning what those who actually sell vacuums and repair will be adding or excluding regarding their inventory in the coming future.  Anyway . . .

We're not the richest but certainly not the poorest part of town here and, needless to say, I was a bit surprised at his answer and even more surprised when he said he'd be selling no Mieles now or ever.  His reasons for not were due to mapped pricing, the high cost of parts and also his feeling that there were vacuums just as good at better prices.  Per his teling of it, replacing a Miele telescopic wand prices at about $150.00. Laying a lot on the economy, he stated his customers are not necessarily willing to spring for vacuums that come at elevated prices. 

He also said that even a vacuum cleaner he really liked, the Riccar Radiance, has been dropped from his inventory because of less than enthusiastic shopper interest at his store by way of price.  Presently, he is banking on "disposable" vacuums to mainstay his business.  He does stock Riccar canisters and lesser uprights.  He also recommends the Sebo "automatic" uprights for durability if getting a good machine you plan to keep a while is on your mind.

I of course iinquired about Dyson, which he does not sell, and got a loud snort before the reply that,  "I have two in the shop now with burned out motors and they are less than two years old.  His spin on things is that the Dyson billions can sure support a lot of advertising and that that attributes more to the number sold than the quality of the machine.  He feels "yuppies" -- the young upwardly mobile -- probably think them all the rage due to their more advanced appearance and the belief that they'll cost nothing to maintain. Though the store owner did concede that Dyson is great on bare floors, he stuck to his guns as far as its less than stellar rug cleaning ability was concerned.

All things considered, I feel even more sure that door-to-door brands like Aerus, Rainbow, FQ, etc., are going to feel an even worse pinch.

Best,

Venson

CarmineD wrote:
Just to toss a ying in for your yang.  While the economy isn't as bad in Canada as the US we are still feeling the effects of all the financial turmoil.  Interesting then that Canadian Tire (big box) not only has an exclusive to the new Miele upright but will also be bringing in part of the canister line as well.  As I understand it from a Miele dealer, CT will be selling a canister with powerhead and hepa filter for $549-$569.  This same machine at the dealers store sells for $849 without a hepa.  I'd be curious to see how Miele handles online shopping across the boarder.  Perhaps Mieles in big boxes will start to show up in the US as well?  Also heard Sears Canada will be taking on the Miele line early next year too.  Times they are a changing.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Hello Dusty:

Economy in the USA is very bad.  The worse I've seen in my lifetime and I caught the tail end of the Great Depression.  Miele-s are in a select few big box stores in the USA.  Rarely if ever are they advertised, let alone sold on sale.  They are primarily sold through independent vacuum cleaners stores.  Big box retailers are reporting that September sales are awful despite much larger discounts than normal.  Holiday season sales are predicted to be horrible.

I will take the ying and yang and synthesize into a yong.  MIELE made a conscious business decision to sell its vacuums in Canada in big box stores.  Why?  Think about it.  MIELE vacuum sales [not to mention appliances] worldwide are tanking.  The International Monetary Fund is meeting this week in Washington DC and its predictions for the World economies, not just the USA, are dismal.  Scary.  What does MIELE do in desperation to prop up its sales volumes.   Big box stores!  What does MIELE have to lose?  It's 4th down, 20 yards to go with no time outs and no time on the clock.  Pray for an open guy and throw it high in the sky!

Carmine D. 

mole wrote:

Hi MOLE:

I cut/pasted this excerpt that you posted on another thread.  I want to agree/respond to you and keep this thought on topic.

HOOVER made a conscious decision in the 60's to go the big box store venue at the expense of the independent vacuum store owners and operators.  Why?  Volume sales to be number one.  Was it ego? Profit?  Both? 

I think you're right about MIELE.  History repeating itself in the vacuum industry.  However, I think MIELE, unlike HOOVER, is looking to carve out the high end vacuum market with the number one spot.  It has dyson, Aerus, Electrolux, RICCAR, Kirby, and all the high end import vacuum brands in its sights.  Why?  Not ego.  Profit!

TTI is consolidating the disposable vacuum market with its buy ups and takeovers of HOOVER, DIRT DEVIL etc.  Who's next?  Will MIELE do the same with the high ends brands?  Time will tell.

Carmine D.

Hello Carmine, I believe that most vacuum manufactures and their distributors are looking for any way to survive this economic nightmare[ wheather its been manufactured or not] . Its been a false economy for many years [trickle down or voodoo economics call it anyhting you want,the human race has been played for SUCKERS.

Its survival of the fittest, dog eat dog,the weak players will get thrown to the wolves, I firmly believe that within 10 years [10 or15 companies will own everything in the world.

Isnt socialism great""

ENOUGH......................................

SINCERLY

THE-MOLE

It's already happened.. You forget, Wal-Mart owns all!

mole wrote:
I beg to differ as to that socialism comment. Sorry to say, what you are describing is the nightmare of unchecked "CAPITALISM". I've always said every "ism" in it's purest form is destined to destroy itself. Without a degree of protectionism, capitalism will eat up the competition and render itself into a monopoly.

Lucky1 wrote:
Agreed.

Lucky1 wrote:

Hello MOLE, DIB, Lucky1 et al:

Then the monopoly owned industry, like the banks, goes belly up and asks the Gov't for a bail-out, the Gov't buys them and you have socialism!

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt

 should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and

 controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest

 Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living

 on public assistance."     Cicero - 55 BC  Sapientia Romana

Carmine D.

That too!

Hi,

For anyone interested, here a link to a June 2008 article in Appliance Magazine.

http://www.appliancemagazine.com/editorial.php?article=1983&zone=1&first=1

Best,

Venson