Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Has anyone seen this yet?  It just hit the shelves a couple of weeks ago at Wal-Mart (not even on the Hoover or WM website at this point), I picked one up around that time after speaking to Tom G. (who was the first one to tell me about it) but had neglected to post about it on here until now.  I finished posting a review in the Reviews section, needless to say I am very impressed with the machine now that I have been using it for a couple of weeks and highly encourage everyone to at least head to Wal-Mart and check it out. 

For those of you who haven't seen it, TTI/Hoover has finally jumped on the multi-cyclone bandwagon after experimenting with dual-cyclone for a couple of years with the Mach series, and only recently getting *that* right with a redesigned shroud for the Mach 3.  This Whisper is completely different, it's a copy of a Root Cyclone Dyson and a damn good one at that.  At $120 I am blown away by the type of machine it is, very substantial and not cheap-feeling by any means.  It's a completely new design, and appears to contain elements of the Mach series, the failed "One" cleaner in the UK, and, oddly enough, the LG/Kenmore Premalite.  At first glance it appears to be a dual-cyclone machine, until you either look at the side of the box or separate the two halves of the cyclone assembly.  Indeed, there are 6 high-efficiency cyclones hidden above the bin, and they look just like a Dyson's.  You will also notice the cyclonic "arrows" on the Hoover logo in front, for added emphasis

Carpet performance is good, it handles very nicely (positive weight) and the double-chevron brushroll helps pull the machine along; the bristles are soft but still effective.  What sets it apart from the Dyson though is above-floor cleaning convenience.  You push a button and the handle wand releases, you do not even have to let go of the handle; you're using the SAME ergonomic handle you just vacuumed the carpet with.  The wand is long as well, and does not need to be inverted for use.  There are only 2 attachments, and the wand isn't adjustable, but the brush/upholstery tool is, I presume to reach tight spaces.  I suppose if worse comes to worse other standard 1 1/4" attachments could work, it appears to be the same though I have not tried it.  I'll check that out further and post the findings.  The motor is soft-starting (like the Hoover Z), and the brushroll (driven by a separate motor) automatically starts and stops when the handle is lowered or raised, if the brushroll switch is on.  There are also 2 indicator lights showing when the brushroll is on, and when the suction is blocked.

This machine is basically a Dyson DC07 or DC14...at a third of the price.  Being a Dyson fan I hate to say it, but Dyson may be facing some competition with this machine as far as regular uprights are concerned, once it is more widely available and more people find out about it.  It's no match for the DC17 in terms of performance, obviously, but I can't see any reason why the 7 or 14 would be more desirable, as strange as that sounds.  If it was inexpensive and worked well but cheaply made, then it's obvious the Dyson would be the clear winner (as it usually is), but that's the thing...this machine does not seem to be cheaply made at all.  Definitely no WindTunnel here and I can't see why it wouldn't last a reasonable length of time.   On the other hand, while possibly not-so-good news for Dyson this could be some positive news for Hoover, perhaps the first of many machines to come?  It will be interesting to see what the future holds.

-MH

HARDSELL wrote:

Hey Big Guy:

Gotcha!   

No hard feelings.  Like I said in posts here, I wouldn't do it.  It's not me.  But I don't tell others what they should do.  You got a freebie refurb dyson and made some money on the sale to put toward a bagged Royal Eminence.  Not a bad deal for you.  For a false friendship with a guy who needs and craves friends both in and out of the industry. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Noe of this makes sense.  I have never owned a refurb and I do not know who you are saying needs friends.

Good joke HS, made me laugh!  Thanks, big guy! 

BTW, you never told us how much the 3 year old refurb DC07 sold for.  Don't want to say because it may offend the donor?

Good thing it was not a sale to you but a gift.  If it were a sale, the carton would have had to say repack/refurb.  Else the seller [a business vendor] would be in violation of a federal law.  And penalized for the offense.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

The amazing thing is that the refurb beat the Oreck and I got it free because of the bet.

Whooped the Oreck just like Dyson did to you when you were consulting.

MY GOODNESS! All of this (NOT SO) passive aggression reminds me of the Vacuumland.org forum! About a year ago, the banter started taking a downhill turn and good folks lost their manners. I hope this isn't happening again.............

Hello Mr. Bojack:

Like that name.  Do you know the origin?

Carmine D.

Mister_Bojack wrote:

It only appears that way.  From what little I know [I was not a poster there], there were some very intense feelings and emotions involved in the bantering which went off course.

HS is one of my favorites here and tho the banter reaches intense levels of feelings and words, I like and respect him and always have.  As I do all the other posters here.  We are all adults here and should be able to take as well as we give.  If not, then you shouldn't be here.   

In between the extreme words and lines, there is much to be learned here and a wealth of experience and knowledge among the posters.

PS:  He plays a horrific game of golf!  Despite paying $2000 for new clubs.

Carmine D.

Mister_Bojack wrote:
Actually this is all in good fun.  I don't take anyone's remarks seriously and those they are directed to don't take my remarks seriously either.  Between all of that there is quite a bit of information shared here.

-MH

Mister_Bojack wrote:

This forum was really dull prior to the bantering.  Carmine once sold Dyson and I sold Oreck.  I now sell Ocean front property in Minnesota.

Seriously, we do get aggressive because of our passions.  I can't speak for the others, however I feel as if I have known them for years and only wish that we could meet in person.  I give Carmine a hard time and at the same time I really value his friendship.  He returns as much as he receives.

Guys,

James should learn from the lessons TTI and Bissell are giving him.  He should spend the time and money (pennies really) to secure as many low w/ high cyclonic filtration layouts as possible.  Having only two competitors is a hell of a lot better than having more than two competitors with Dyson-like filtration.

 

Q:  How many big named vacuum brands actually own manufacturing and the dirt it sits on (assumed) in 3^rd world countries like Chinese owned Hoover?  Certainly, this gives them a HUGE pricing advantage over those who farm out their manufacturing.  What do you guys think…  is Chinese owned Hoover forgoing profits on the manufacturing end or retail end with regards to pricing the Hoover Whisper so to satisfy Walmart and/or otherwise?        DIB