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DysonInventsBig
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Original Message Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am |
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Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread. . 
 
 
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CarmineD
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Reply #392 Dec 12, 2008 7:37 am |
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Hello Venson: Interestingly, Kenneth J sought legal action against dyson ONLY after his personal petitions to dyson were shunned/ignored. At least he tried to resolve/settle the matter like a gentleman before seeking court justice [or injustice as the case may be]. Based on the tepid sales response that all the dyson ball models have received in the USA, and the drubbings of DC15 and DC24 at the hands of Consumer Reports [the DC25 has not come up to bat yet in the CR lineup], Kenneth J has definitely received street justice. I have to opine that Kenneth J has some personal/professional engineering friends/family at Samsung which despite its total lack of concern about vacuums [with several models of the single stage cyclone variety only], teamed up to file a patent on a triple banger just to bait the litigious dyson into a court room show down. Knowing full well that regardless of the legal outcome, a lawsuit against Samsung by dyson guarantees that the Japanese vacuum market [the only one for dyson's brushless motor vacuum] will be shut down to all future dyson sales and products. This hurts dyson more than any one time monetary award against Samsung should dyson win the legal suit. I'm not sure that a dyson win is a given. Then, Kenneth J publishes a book about his legal story. It will be a best seller. Mandatory college reading for all US engineering majors and business/economic students. Have to love the plot: Unknown US engineering student KO's a world reknown Forbes multi-billionaire company founder/owner over a vacuum ball wheel. The book's cover will have a picture of a Samsung large screen TV showing James stuck in the mud pushing a ball barrow filled with dyson vacuums. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #393 Dec 12, 2008 9:04 am |
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Hello Venson: Interestingly, Kenneth J sought legal action against dyson ONLY after his personal petitions to dyson were shunned/ignored. At least he tried to resolve/settle the matter like a gentleman before seeking court justice [or injustice as the case may be]. Based on the tepid sales response that all the dyson ball models have received in the USA, and the drubbings of DC15 and DC24 at the hands of Consumer Reports [the DC25 has not come up to bat yet in the CR lineup], Kenneth J has definitely received street justice. I have to opine that Kenneth J has some personal/professional engineering friends/family at Samsung which despite its total lack of concern about vacuums [with several models of the single stage cyclone variety only], teamed up to file a patent on a triple banger just to bait the litigious dyson into a court room show down. Knowing full well that regardless of the legal outcome, a lawsuit against Samsung by dyson guarantees that the Japanese vacuum market [the only one for dyson's brushless motor vacuum] will be shut down to all future dyson sales and products. This hurts dyson more than any one time monetary award against Samsung should dyson win the legal suit. I'm not sure that a dyson win is a given. Then, Kenneth J publishes a book about his legal story. It will be a best seller. Mandatory college reading for all US engineering majors and business/economic students. Have to love the plot: Unknown US engineering student KO's a world reknown Forbes multi-billionaire company founder/owner over a vacuum ball wheel. The book's cover will have a picture of a Samsung large screen TV showing James stuck in the mud pushing a ball barrow filled with dyson vacuums. Carmine D. ... pure fiction.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #396 Dec 12, 2008 4:17 pm |
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Thanks Carmine, I've been trying to figure out if these frivolous lawsuits (I see them that way) are cost effective for Dyson. Then again the only way they can be is by winning. Samsung is of formidable size and doesn't manufacture vacuums alone. Its flat-screen TVs are getting good ratings and doing well here in the U.S. Add in popular cell phones and other electronic devices plus household appliances I too think they'll be able to foot the legal bills. If I were Dyson, I think I'd spend more time trying to move ahead by improving on what it makes and leave the courts alone. Maybe the Samsung "Silencio" vac series got 'em upset. By the way . . . http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/type/type.do?group=homeappliances&type=vacuumcleaner#Venson Venson, To date, Dyson has not sued any manufacturer “that did not have it coming”. Dyson has won every lawsuit (proved theft) against manufacturers who are much older and much richer (than Dyson). If they did not steal, Dyson would not sue. It is pathetic to see these much older manufacturers and some are worth multi-billions take “what is not theirs”, from the puny and young (by comparison) $1-$1.5b, 15 year old Dyson LTD. DIB
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #397 Dec 12, 2008 5:31 pm |
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Kenneth J, as a poor engineering student, had a US patent on a ball facilitator wheel long before dyson's DC15 Ball [1996 vice 2003]. But Kenneth J had no product. He lost his case in court in Washington DC on a legal technicality [thanks to a dyson 'hired' legal team that included New York's best and most expensive 3 name lawyers in 3 piece suits]. Samsung will have a few top notch lawyers too. See what happens when the playing field is level. In the meantime, the Japanese vacuum market will be a wasteland for dyson. Japanese people are very loyal to their own. Extremely so. What was dyson thinking? Hello Venson: I suspect dyson has both. A legal counsel/office in house on the payroll and "hired guns" for the court fights. Carmine D. Carmine, Just curious... How did you arrive at your “level playing field” conclusion? Samsung sales exceed $100b (min) v. Dyson sales of $1.5b. Samsung is a monster by comparison. FYI: Samsung has amassed the worlds largest low/high efficacy cyclonic filtration patents (pending). Certainly an attempt to out-spend the smaller competitors and an attempt to monopolize cyclonic filtration. Level Playing field? - Hardly. It's much more like out of kilter! DIB
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Electronics
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CarmineD
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Reply #398 Dec 12, 2008 5:49 pm |
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No complaints from you when a poor engineering student took on your idol the Forbes multi-billionaire. But when dyson faces off with a power house company like Samsung, then you cry like a baby! Typical. Dyson fans always like to compare dyson to lesser competition [read weaker] in a match off. When the face off is with an equal/greater opponent you pout. I don't know what new market[s] dyson can enter to make up for the lost sales in Japan. None as good. Dumb business move. Dyson dumb. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Reply #399 Dec 12, 2008 7:31 pm |
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No complaints from you when a poor engineering student took on your idol the Forbes multi-billionaire. But when dyson faces off with a power house company like Samsung, then you cry like a baby! Typical. Dyson fans always like to compare dyson to lesser competition [read weaker] in a match off. When the face off is with an equal/greater opponent you pout. I don't know what new market[s] dyson can enter to make up for the lost sales in Japan. None as good. Dumb business move. Dyson dumb. Carmine D. Carmine, Your anti-Dyson poster-child, the so-called victim/inventor certainly obtained a patent, yet certainly did NOT invent a solution that could be transformed into a product. He and his team of trial lawyers believed their own "we were infringed" hype, when they went to court and countersued Dyson (a shakedown/extort for profit) the judge gave them an education. In the past and when only necessary, Dyson sues manufacturers over infringement and theft; he has won every time. Whereas your poster-child, the so-called victim/inventor and his team of “ambulance chasers” lost. DIB
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HARDSELL
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Reply #400 Dec 12, 2008 8:59 pm |
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No complaints from you when a poor engineering student took on your idol the Forbes multi-billionaire. But when dyson faces off with a power house company like Samsung, then you cry like a baby! Typical. Dyson fans always like to compare dyson to lesser competition [read weaker] in a match off. When the face off is with an equal/greater opponent you pout. I don't know what new market[s] dyson can enter to make up for the lost sales in Japan. None as good. Dumb business move. Dyson dumb. Carmine D. It can only be that way since all the competition is inferior to Dyson. They have no equal competition in the performance category.
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CarmineD
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Reply #401 Dec 13, 2008 6:57 am |
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Carmine,
You're the anti-Dyson poster-child,
DIB DIB: I am anti-dyson shills who bash the vacuum industry, its pros/experts, and all non-dyson vacuum products and brands with rhetoric like this: It can only be that way since all the competition is inferior to Dyson. They have no equal competition in the performance category. The above idiotic statement is the quintessential reason for dyson's litigious history. Dyson never learned to coexist in an industry that helped it make billions. Dyson's MO, fueled by dyson shills, is bash, demean, and impugn all the others. Lawsuits are dyson's means to an end. Lest you believe your own propaganda, I'll remind you. A class action against dyson by about 3 dozen angry UK dyson buyers/users and several vacuum companies. Result: Dyson lost its legal fight [with the ASA] to keep and use it's now infamous brand mantra: Never clogs and doesn't lose suction. ASA said these statements were false and exaggerated claims. ASA told dyson to cease and desist. Dyson did. Why? Dyson lost it's legal fight [again with the ASA] against the Electrolux Infinity which claimed it outcleaned dyson, with a full bag, by 50 percent. ASA ruled in Electrolux's favor against dyson. Why? Dyson has been losing vacuum market share in the UK since 2004, so dyson fans can't blame the 2008 economic downturn completely for dyson's lackluster sales. Dyson virtually guaranteed shutting itself down to the Japan market in the future, because of its suit against Samsung. Samsung merely filed a patent. It doesn't even have a product on the drawing board. Vacuums are an afterthought for Samsung. It still markets one stage bagless vacuums. And just a few low priced models not even in the dyson price range! Dyson dumb and arrogant!
Carmine D.
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