Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

Carmine,

Manufacturer underachievement is not vogue or good business by any stretch of the imagination.  D.O. could use more market share and the extra profits to pay off his many investors and finally buy back his namesake.        DIB

mole wrote:
Huge margins are reserved for Sebo, Miele, Oreck and most of the other independent only vacuums.  Dyson, while being better than most department store brands is hardly a top money maker.  If I was being run out of business by brands I pushed I'd be pointing the finger at Eureka, Hoover or Panasonic...all of which can show up in department stores at the same or sometimes even below my cost.

If someone has other Canadian numbers I'd like to see them.  I got mine from a late 2007 business week article so if there is an update feel free to post.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
I take my Dyson bin (ok, the stores Dyson bin...I have central vac) hold it a few inches from the bottom of an open garbage bag, press the red button and let all the debris into the bag.  There is no dust cloud as I'm not emptying from any great height.  I close the bin lid and reinsert it into the unit.  Just as easy as your bag.  Once again, it's not the vacuum at fault if someone is finding it harder than this....it's the user.  I couldn't begin to count the amount of Orecks we have repaired where the bottom of the outer bag is loaded with dirt and debris because people leave the paper bags in to long and they tear getting them out...same goes for the Dyson if you don't empty the cup.  Follow instructions, live a happy vacuum life.  Go your own way, you better get to know your local vacuum dealer.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

How often?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
At the store we empty frequently as we don't want to empty a full container over the showroom floor.  Home use, we still suggest emptying when done your cleaning.  I'd guess in most homes that's once a week (all though I'm sure some folks only pull the vacuum out every month)

Dusty

dusty wrote:

I vacuum daily.  1500 square feet.  80 percent carpet.  20 percent floors.  Change the bag monthly.  No filters to maintain.  If I vacuumed daily with a dyson, and any other bagless, I would dump 30 times a month.   Hassle.  Big headache.

Most persons vacuum 2-3 times per week on the average.  That means dumping a dirt bin 2-3 times per week and 8-12 times per month.  Hassle? Headache?  Choose your poison. 

If a person vacuumed once a month [depending on the square feet], and did a thorough vacuuming, my sense is that he/she would have to dump the dirt bin at least 2-4 times for 1500 square feet.  And they would still leave behind a huge amount of embedded dirt in the carpets and rugs.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

In the case of dyson/bagless that overfilled bin dirt goes to the pre-motor filter and after the pre-motor filter becomes saturated the unfiltered dirt gets into the motor and then to the post motor filter.  All the while overheating and wearing out the motor components.  Choose your poison.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

If Oreck had proper suction you would have to change bags more frequently.  I disagree that most vacuume 2 to 3 times weekly.  I never emptied my Dyson efter each use.  I vacuum 1800 sq feet.  Of course my house was not filthy before vacuuming.

The most embedded dirt I ever removed was when I replaced the Oreck with a Dyson. 

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Really?  500 ORECK stores nationwide and more opening all the time is not underachievement by any stretch of the imagination even yours.  Some who post here thought hurricane Katrina in August 2005 would be the death knell of ORECK.  Boasted about it on the vacuum Forums.  The eye of the storm hit the ORECK plant dead center. 

ORECK didn't miss a beat.  Opened up temporary headquarters in Texas AND contributed to the relief efforts of the victims of the storm.  Used its stores nationwide to meet all customer orders.  Accounted for all its employees and paid them salary and benefits all during the reconstruction period while the plant was disabled.  New plant new location after a year and still a lock on the lightweight vacuum market and hotel/motel industry.    Adds new meaning to the word underachievement.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

In my 40 plus years of vacuum store ownership and operations, I never made money on new vacuum sales.  Repairs, parts and rebuilts were the money makers.  For the first 5 years of business, I didn't sell a new vacuum out of my store.  I referred new vacuum buyers to other businesses.  Free. 

I added new vacuums in the mid 50's as an accomodation to my customers who asked to buy new vacuums.  I started with HOOVER, then Westinghouse, then EUREKA and then Panasonic.  I was the first authorized sales and service dealer for Panasonic in NJ in the early 70's.  I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum.  I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added.  If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy.  Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies.

The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time.  1949-1992.  No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement. 

Carmine D.