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rjg2
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am |
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Hello, I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair. I am considering the above 2 or something else. I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments. I like the price of the Sanitaire. I also would like something that is reliable. Thanks for any help!
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dusty
Joined: Feb 8, 2008
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #85 Jun 9, 2008 8:35 pm |
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I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum. I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added. If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy. Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies. The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time. 1949-1992. No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement.
Actually there is more profit in selling an Oreck than a Dyson. Margins are higher and the customer has to come back for bags and belts. Perhaps you should start up again ;-) Dusty
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #86 Jun 9, 2008 9:34 pm |
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In my 40 plus years of vacuum store ownership and operations, I never made money on new vacuum sales. Repairs, parts and rebuilts were the money makers. For the first 5 years of business, I didn't sell a new vacuum out of my store. I referred new vacuum buyers to other businesses. Free. I added new vacuums in the mid 50's as an accomodation to my customers who asked to buy new vacuums. I started with HOOVER, then Westinghouse, then EUREKA and then Panasonic. I was the first authorized sales and service dealer for Panasonic in NJ in the early 70's. I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum. I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added. If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy. Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies. The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time. 1949-1992. No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement. Carmine D.
I am sure that you let this slip out. You always avoided my question when I asked i fyou made more profit on vacuum sales or on parts and service. The truth is out.Now we know why you dislike Dyson so much. They do not require all those supplies and servicings like the brands you profited from.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #87 Jun 9, 2008 10:10 pm |
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I disagree that most vacuume 2 to 3 times weekly.
HARDSELL:
Who said? The CFO of Wal*Mart and the Exec VP for Wal*Mart's home division. Retail sales numbers for May were reported last week. The best performers: Wal*Mart and COSTCO with same store sales increases of 3.9 and 5 percent. Wal*Mart's VP for the home division says and I quote: "We see really solid numbers that show people are staying at home more, and when they are at home, they are preparing food, and that means they [have] to sweep and vacuum their floor, so one of my biggest departments is floor care, vacuum cleaners for example." Read an weep. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #88 Jun 9, 2008 10:15 pm |
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A filter that doesn't clog isn't really filtering. Foam filters just do not clog as quickly as pleated filters like on the Hoovers.
HARDSELL:
Those pleated HOOVER cartridge filters, like in the EmPower and WT are teflon coated, completely immersible, and guaranteed for the lifetime of the vacuums. Less expensive than the leading bagless brand filters. I believe, correct me if I'm wrong, that the post motor filters on the latest dysons DC24/25 are P-L-E-A-T-E-D paper. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #89 Jun 9, 2008 10:24 pm |
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Actually there is more profit in selling an Oreck than a Dyson. Margins are higher and the customer has to come back for bags and belts. Perhaps you should start up again ;-)
Dusty
Not the ORECK XL Classic for $150 retail plus shipping. Least expensive of all ORECKS. Not in the Deluxe for $399. Most popular and best buy of all the ORECKS. Perhaps the Ultra for $549 and the XL 21 for $749. The Deluxe for $399 is as good as the Ultra and has the same motor. Who needs a 10 year warranty? If it's a warranty you're looking for then buy the XL for $749 and it costs you $35 for 21 years. Free everything for 21 years.
$200 on a $500 retail dyson is huge mark up. Not surprising you defend it and the customers who buy. Profit motive speaks volumes. Carmine D.
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dusty
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #90 Jun 10, 2008 12:25 am |
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Not the ORECK XL Classic for $150 retail plus shipping. Least expensive of all ORECKS. Not in the Deluxe for $399. Most popular and best buy of all the ORECKS. Perhaps the Ultra for $549 and the XL 21 for $749. The Deluxe for $399 is as good as the Ultra and has the same motor. Who needs a 10 year warranty? If it's a warranty you're looking for then buy the XL for $749 and it costs you $35 for 21 years. Free everything for 21 years. $200 on a $500 retail dyson is huge mark up. Not surprising you defend it and the customers who buy. Profit motive speaks volumes. Carmine D. Well to start with, the Oreck XL Classic sells for $349 in Canada and no, we don't make $200 on it ...but we don't make $200 on a $499 Dyson vac either. I never actually mentioned a model or price, it was you that said $500. I don't particularly want to post cost of vacuums here but $200 profit on the rest of the Oreck line isn't out of the ordinary and that's still less profit than most dealers make on a Miele or other high end machine. I defend Dyson because the customers I have sold the product too like the product and compared to other bagless machines I believe it's a superior machine. Every vac has it's place whether it be Oreck, Dyson, Eureka or whatever. There is no product on the market that is as good and you think or as bad as you think. Dusty
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #91 Jun 10, 2008 2:19 am |
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Dusty: No I don't think either SEBO/ORECK do. Why? If they did, they would be made in China and be sold in the big box stores and TV sales network stations like dysons. SEBO and ORECK are not interested in these sales venues. Miele? Maybe soon? Although I suspect Miele will continue to be made in Germany with another factory in the USA, perhaps Mexico? SEBO and ORECK are content with the market share/niches that they carved out over the years. They are both well respected brand names. Other brands and brand sellers are envious. Why? Because they try to compete in those niche markets with SEBO and ORECK too. [Quality, lightweight and top tier performers]. Carmine D. Carmine, I'll post it and phrase it differently... Dyson has a 28% Canadian market share and you think it is in Oreck's best interest not to be at a 28% market share too. If D.O. was solely owned I could go along with your analogies and D.O. can do as he pleases with his namesake. But since he has 3 or more investors one would assume growing market share and profits would be a good thing. Do you think D.O. secured these investors by painting a picture of growth or painting a picture of no growth? DIB
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #92 Jun 10, 2008 3:02 am |
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DIB, Why not buy one of Carmine's perferred vacuums. They only require expensive bags which do not fill frequently because the vacuum doesn't pull out enough dirt to fill them. You can also change the belt 3 to 4 times annually. Remember the belts will need frequent changing because it fails even while stored and not in use. His previous recommendations only required that the screen prior to the pleated filter be removed and cleaned a half dozen times with each use. Otherwise no suction. If you are luck the pleatged filter will last the duration of each vacuuming without cleaning. After vacuuming you can take the pleated filter out and beat the dust out of it while breathing the filth. You might also need another vacuum to vacuum the remaining dirt out of the pleated filter. Another of his previous favorite bagless spewed so much dirt that no filter was needed. Hardsell, Lets see what it takes for "Mr/Mrs/Miss not-so-good-with-tools" to maintain his/her belted vacuum cleaner... Load a vacuum into a car, drive vacuum to a local vacuum dealer, unload vacuum and drop off, return to dealer at some later date, load vacuum into car, unload vacuum once home and do it 2-4 times a year is something most would prefer not to do. DIB
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #93 Jun 10, 2008 7:08 am |
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Carmine, Dyson has a 28% Canadian market share and you think it is in Oreck's best interest not to be at a 28% market Do you think D.O. secured these investors by painting a picture of growth or painting a picture of no growth? DIB
Hello DIB:
Is that in sales dollars or units? ORECK has respect as a brand name. Quality products. Made in the USA by Americans. ORECK has a consistent niche market share year after year and has for many years. Offers a plethora of floor care products. And air purifiers. These factors in union draw investor interest and support. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #94 Jun 10, 2008 7:16 am |
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Hardsell, Lets see what it takes for "Mr/Mrs/Miss not-so-good-with-tools" to maintain his/her belted vacuum cleaner... Load a vacuum into a car, drive vacuum to a local vacuum dealer, unload vacuum and drop off, return to dealer at some later date, load vacuum into car, unload vacuum once home and do it 2-4 times a year is something most would prefer not to do. DIB
Hello DIB:
Are you describing the typical profile of a big box store vacuum cleaner buyer and user in the USA? If so, it's skewed. These vacuums are disposed after a few years with liitle or no repairs. Are you describing an indy vacuum store buyer and user? In which case, you still have a skewed perspective. With an indy store vacuum, it's not a one time sale transaction and sayonara. It's a business relationship with customers over time. If you are describing dyson buyers, who bought into the myth of no clogging filters, returning their vacuums for repairs/warranty, then you are exactly right. Carmine D.
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