Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!

CarmineD wrote:

Still have comprehension problems I see.  Dusty did not say that Dyson is or will be the only bagless.  Now please tell us a comparable bagless.  You didn't even know that Oreck was superior to Hoover until your wife guided you in that direction.  Why don't you tell us why Dyson has lost market share?  Please give facts as your opinions are biases and useless.

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL:

I never thought you'd ask. 

Answer:  LESS EXPENSIVE AND BETTER PERFORMING VACUUM COMPETITION.  Bagged and bagless.  Now, what do you think is [are] the reason [s].

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I don't want you to believe Dyson is the only bagless vacuum game in town, just that they aren't going vanish into thin air.  UK market share has many factors..economic time (as you're going thru in the states) , the fact they moved production to Malasia didn't help matters on the home front either.  What's wrong with 28 percent by the way?  I would think most companies would be jumping for joy with numbers like that.  In Canada they are sitting at 24 percent market share in 3 years.  Not to bad either.  You don't think Oreck or Sebo would love to have those numbers?  No, Dyson isn't the only bagless vacuum but it is number one and I don't think that's going to change.

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:
Where do you empty your bag?  Do you follow the guide on your Oreck bag or like most people try and cram as much dirt into it as you can.  Every tried to take the bag out when that happens?  The minute you pop the bag off its mount there is dust in the air.  Now you have to actually try and lift it out of the cloth bag.  I've had bags that way a good 5 pounds and are so packed into the cloth bag it's almost a two person job to get it out.  The Dyson is no different than any other appliance, you follow the instructions and you won't have a problem.  I've seem people screw up every vacuum on the market because they neglect to read the book.  If that happens, it's their own problem not the vacuums.

Dusty

dusty wrote:

Dusty:  What's wrong?  Dyson's lost 15 percent in 3 years.  By dyson's own admission.  [I think it may even be more].  By dyson numbers that's 5 percent a year.  What other vacuum brand has lost that much market share in the UK in 3 years?  At that rate of attrition, dyson will disappear into thin air in the UK in just 5 more years!  Maybe sooner. 

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:
Will you still defend dyson if the huge margins goes away?,WHAT IF SEBOS MARGIN WAS ONLY 5% would you expell the virtues of it?,How many times do i have to tell you there is going to be no money in it and very soon,
Dont get sucked into their B.S. I would be willing to bet that europro still has plenty of fantoms left,after the buyout,

How does it feel to be run out of business by the same companies you push?

Get me once shame on you get me twice shame on me.

My good friend from CANADA,[VERNON] has the real lowdown on the canadian numbers,

been there done that

THE-MOLE

dusty wrote:

Dusty: 

I change the ORECK paper bag every month. It can last longer.  [It's one of the largest in the the industry.]  I have an English yellow lab that sheds year round.  The air filtration on the XL Classic [ORECK-s least expensive model] is not as good as the Deluxe and Ultra ORECK-s.  My dear Wife is an allergy and sinus sufferer.  

I remove the old ORECK bag in my study [indoors].  I fold the top of the bag over [with the hole opening] and into the bottom of the bag [with the dirt].  I walk to the kitchen with the old bag in hand and I open the lid on the plastic trash can [equippped with plastic liner] and place the old bag in the can.  For all intents and purposes the dirt and germs are completely contained in the paper bag in the trash can.  Then, I wash my hands in the kitchen sink.  The kitchen can liner can gets dumped and replaced nightly.

I walk back to the study and I insert a new paper bag [which I keep stored in the closet next to the study].  No dirt clouds.  No dirt trails.   Bag costs $2.00 each.  ORECK-s cheapest brand CC Type.  Just like new again until the next month.  The bag track/harness on the ORECK makes bag removal/replacement quick, clean and easy. 

I have a bottle of PURELL hand cleanser in the study.  I dop a drop on my hands, rub in, and voila.  Mission accomplished. Takes me 2-3 minutes in all.  Tops.

Carmine D.

dusty wrote:

Dusty:

No I don't think either SEBO/ORECK do.  Why?  If they did, they would be made in China and be sold in the big box stores and TV sales network stations like dysons.  SEBO and ORECK are not interested in these sales venues.  Miele?  Maybe soon?  Although I suspect Miele will continue to be made in Germany with another factory in the USA, perhaps Mexico?

SEBO and ORECK are content with the market share/niches that they carved out over the years.  They are both well respected brand names.  Other brands and brand sellers are envious.  Why? Because they try to compete in those niche markets with SEBO and ORECK too.  [Quality, lightweight and top tier performers]. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Manufacturer underachievement is not vogue or good business by any stretch of the imagination.  D.O. could use more market share and the extra profits to pay off his many investors and finally buy back his namesake.        DIB

mole wrote:
Huge margins are reserved for Sebo, Miele, Oreck and most of the other independent only vacuums.  Dyson, while being better than most department store brands is hardly a top money maker.  If I was being run out of business by brands I pushed I'd be pointing the finger at Eureka, Hoover or Panasonic...all of which can show up in department stores at the same or sometimes even below my cost.

If someone has other Canadian numbers I'd like to see them.  I got mine from a late 2007 business week article so if there is an update feel free to post.

Dusty