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rjg2


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message   Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am
Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!
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dusty


Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #77   Jun 9, 2008 4:38 pm
CarmineD wrote:

I remove the old ORECK bag in my study [indoors].  I fold the top of the bag over [with the hole opening] and into the bottom of the bag [with the dirt].  I walk to the kitchen with the old bag in hand and I open the lid on the plastic trash can [equippped with plastic liner] and place the old bag in the can.  For all intents and purposes the dirt and germs are completely contained in the paper bag in the trash can.  Then, I wash my hands in the kitchen sink.  The kitchen can liner can gets dumped and replaced nightly.

I walk back to the study and I insert a new paper bag [which I keep stored in the closet next to the study].  No dirt clouds.  No dirt trails.   Bag costs $2.00 each.  ORECK-s cheapest brand CC Type.  Just like new again until the next month.  The bag track/harness on the ORECK makes bag removal/replacement quick, clean and easy. 



I take my Dyson bin (ok, the stores Dyson bin...I have central vac) hold it a few inches from the bottom of an open garbage bag, press the red button and let all the debris into the bag.  There is no dust cloud as I'm not emptying from any great height.  I close the bin lid and reinsert it into the unit.  Just as easy as your bag.  Once again, it's not the vacuum at fault if someone is finding it harder than this....it's the user.  I couldn't begin to count the amount of Orecks we have repaired where the bottom of the outer bag is loaded with dirt and debris because people leave the paper bags in to long and they tear getting them out...same goes for the Dyson if you don't empty the cup.  Follow instructions, live a happy vacuum life.  Go your own way, you better get to know your local vacuum dealer.

Dusty
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #78   Jun 9, 2008 5:26 pm
dusty wrote:
I take my Dyson bin (ok, the stores Dyson bin...I have central vac) hold it a few inches from the bottom of an open garbage bag, press the red button and let all the debris into the bag. 
Dusty


How often?

Carmine D.

dusty


Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #79   Jun 9, 2008 5:53 pm
CarmineD wrote:
How often?

Carmine D.


At the store we empty frequently as we don't want to empty a full container over the showroom floor.  Home use, we still suggest emptying when done your cleaning.  I'd guess in most homes that's once a week (all though I'm sure some folks only pull the vacuum out every month)

Dusty
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #80   Jun 9, 2008 7:07 pm
dusty wrote:
At the store we empty frequently as we don't want to empty a full container over the showroom floor.  Home use, we still suggest emptying when done your cleaning.  I'd guess in most homes that's once a week (all though I'm sure some folks only pull the vacuum out every month)

Dusty



I vacuum daily.  1500 square feet.  80 percent carpet.  20 percent floors.  Change the bag monthly.  No filters to maintain.  If I vacuumed daily with a dyson, and any other bagless, I would dump 30 times a month.   Hassle.  Big headache.

Most persons vacuum 2-3 times per week on the average.  That means dumping a dirt bin 2-3 times per week and 8-12 times per month.  Hassle? Headache?  Choose your poison. 

If a person vacuumed once a month [depending on the square feet], and did a thorough vacuuming, my sense is that he/she would have to dump the dirt bin at least 2-4 times for 1500 square feet.  And they would still leave behind a huge amount of embedded dirt in the carpets and rugs.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #81   Jun 9, 2008 7:13 pm
dusty wrote:
 I couldn't begin to count the amount of Orecks we have repaired where the bottom of the outer bag is loaded with dirt and debris because people leave the paper bags in to long and they tear getting them out...same goes for the Dyson if you don't empty the cup.  Dusty


In the case of dyson/bagless that overfilled bin dirt goes to the pre-motor filter and after the pre-motor filter becomes saturated the unfiltered dirt gets into the motor and then to the post motor filter.  All the while overheating and wearing out the motor components.  Choose your poison.

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #82   Jun 9, 2008 7:37 pm
CarmineD wrote:
I vacuum daily.  1500 square feet.  80 percent carpet.  20 percent floors.  Change the bag monthly.  No filters to maintain.  If I vacuumed daily with a dyson, and any other bagless, I would dump 30 times a month.   Hassle.  Big headache.

Most persons vacuum 2-3 times per week on the average.  That means dumping a dirt bin 2-3 times per week and 8-12 times per month.  Hassle? Headache?  Choose your poison. 

If a person vacuumed once a month [depending on the square feet], and did a thorough vacuuming, my sense is that he/she would have to dump the dirt bin at least 2-4 times for 1500 square feet.  And they would still leave behind a huge amount of embedded dirt in the carpets and rugs.

Carmine D.



If Oreck had proper suction you would have to change bags more frequently.  I disagree that most vacuume 2 to 3 times weekly.  I never emptied my Dyson efter each use.  I vacuum 1800 sq feet.  Of course my house was not filthy before vacuuming.

The most embedded dirt I ever removed was when I replaced the Oreck with a Dyson. 

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #83   Jun 9, 2008 7:47 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Carmine,

Manufacturer underachievement is not vogue or good business by any stretch of the imagination.  D.O. could use more market share and the extra profits to pay off his many investors and finally buy back his own namesake.        DIB


Really?  500 ORECK stores nationwide and more opening all the time is not underachievement by any stretch of the imagination even yours.  Some who post here thought hurricane Katrina in August 2005 would be the death knell of ORECK.  Boasted about it on the vacuum Forums.  The eye of the storm hit the ORECK plant dead center. 

ORECK didn't miss a beat.  Opened up temporary headquarters in Texas AND contributed to the relief efforts of the victims of the storm.  Used its stores nationwide to meet all customer orders.  Accounted for all its employees and paid them salary and benefits all during the reconstruction period while the plant was disabled.  New plant new location after a year and still a lock on the lightweight vacuum market and hotel/motel industry.    Adds new meaning to the word underachievement.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #84   Jun 9, 2008 7:58 pm
dusty wrote:
 If I was being run out of business by brands I pushed I'd be pointing the finger at Eureka, Hoover or Panasonic...all of which can show up in department stores at the same or sometimes even below my cost.


Dusty

In my 40 plus years of vacuum store ownership and operations, I never made money on new vacuum sales.  Repairs, parts and rebuilts were the money makers.  For the first 5 years of business, I didn't sell a new vacuum out of my store.  I referred new vacuum buyers to other businesses.  Free. 

I added new vacuums in the mid 50's as an accomodation to my customers who asked to buy new vacuums.  I started with HOOVER, then Westinghouse, then EUREKA and then Panasonic.  I was the first authorized sales and service dealer for Panasonic in NJ in the early 70's.  I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum.  I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added.  If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy.  Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies.

The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time.  1949-1992.  No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement. 

Carmine D.

dusty


Joined: Feb 8, 2008
Points: 264

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #85   Jun 9, 2008 8:35 pm
Ca

  I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum.  I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added.  If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy.  Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies.

The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time.  1949-1992.  No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement. 



Actually there is more profit in selling an Oreck than a Dyson.  Margins are higher and the customer has to come back for bags and belts.  Perhaps you should start up again ;-)

Dusty
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #86   Jun 9, 2008 9:34 pm
CarmineD wrote:
In my 40 plus years of vacuum store ownership and operations, I never made money on new vacuum sales.  Repairs, parts and rebuilts were the money makers.  For the first 5 years of business, I didn't sell a new vacuum out of my store.  I referred new vacuum buyers to other businesses.  Free. 

I added new vacuums in the mid 50's as an accomodation to my customers who asked to buy new vacuums.  I started with HOOVER, then Westinghouse, then EUREKA and then Panasonic.  I was the first authorized sales and service dealer for Panasonic in NJ in the early 70's.  I never made $200 on the sale of a new vacuum.  I was lucky to cover my vacuum cost with overhead added.  If I made a profit of $10-$25 on the sale it was all gravy.  Then only because I bought in the largest volume and took advantage of the promotions and freebies.

The first thought that came to mind when I read the $200 profit you make on the sale of one dyson, was that I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time.  1949-1992.  No wonder several vacuum posters in the past bragged that dyson sales were paying their monthly mortgage and financing their early retirement. 

Carmine D.



I am sure that you let this slip out.  You always avoided my question when I asked i fyou made more profit on vacuum sales or on parts and service.  The truth is out.Now we know why you dislike Dyson so much.  They do not require all those supplies and servicings like the brands you profited from.

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