Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

I agree with part of what you said and I highlighted it.  ORECK has an excellent brush roll and turns at high speeds.  With that combination, it draws the embedded dirt up to the surface where little or no suction will carry it into the vacuum.  The latter is the principle on which non-electric carpet sweepers worked for cleaning surface dirt on rugs and floors.  Brush action.  They had no suction at all.  Add the rug suction power of most full sized uprights of yester year to the ORECK brush roll, and you have the 2 key ingredients for a good rug cleaner and groomer.  Add a huge paper bag, like the ORECK's, and you the third factor for the making of an excellent upright.  That's why ORECK has the lock on the market and others can only copy.

Recall, if you can, that ORECK specifically matches its rug cleaning performance against the dyson DC07 and DC14.  Both of which you owned.  You didn't like the DC14.  But did the DC07.  Both have the same identical brush roll.  And power!  That leads me to doubt your findings not just for the dysons but ORECK too.

Visit your local ORECK store and YOU can perform the rug cleaning tests using the ORECK and dysons DC07/DC14.  Try the kapoc test.  This has been an industry standard test since Tom Gasko was walking on all fours in diapers and crying dyson.  ORECK will pick up most if not all the kapoc in 2 passes.  Forward and back.  Dyson will take 9 or 10 passes back and forth and still leave traces behind. 

Carmine D. 

Motorhead wrote:

Tom:

This is an absurdity.  If ORECK can pick up some dirt, it can pick up all.  It doesn't distinguish between what it can and can't pick up.  If it's only picking up some dirt, then the ORECK needs a new belt/bag.  They don't last forever.  These have to be changed, just like the dirt bin on the dyson has to be dumped frequently and the pre-post- motor filters have to washed/changed.  If you don't do the latter, dysons will only pick up some of the dirt too and not all. 

HARDSELL:

The same is true for carpet sweepers.  If you don't dump the dirt trays in these and they fill up [like bagless dirt bins], they don't pick up.  Regardless of how many passes you make back and forth.  

Carmine D.

ORECK, as an 8/9 pound  lightweight vacuum is and always has been an equal contender with all the full sized vacuums on the market for the last 45 years.  That's the reason its still the best in its class and others try to imitate/compete.  Not many can/do.  The jury is still out on the DC24.  Which is 4 pounds heavier.  Almost the same weight as the ORECK compact canister.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello,

My understanding of getting an extension - only if there was some sort of delay in the obtaining/getting approval for a patent and mostly drug related patents.  And I think it is no longer than 5 years at most.

 

I do not know the answer for sure.  My guess is no, society comes first and inventors come second.  Q:  Can an inventor prevent society from *benefiting from a widget if the original inventor keeps tweaking a product and locking up (monopolizing) the entire widget for an additional 20 year patent period.  My guess is no.  I'm sure James would of loved to have been able to tweak his dual cyclone and extend the patent life vesus competing against his own work in the market place.        DIB

 

*After a patent expires others can make for sale said widget and society “benefits”.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

With drugs the period is 3-10 years after the drug is publicly marketed.  More time with extensions if the maker claims the drug is tweaked.  Wonderful case currently being heard.  The drug is TRICOR.  The maker is trying to keep generics from market after patent expiration dates by arguing it's changed the drug along the way.  Competitors have taken the maker to court.  I predict the competition will win.  TRICOR's maker will bite the dust.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

Hello TOM:

Sort of like Air Way!  Is that brand vacuum still around and in business like ORECK and KIRBY?  What ever happened?  Who knows?  Who cares?   Topic unworthy. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

That’s just it!  If society benefits, patent extensions for life saving or bettering drugs are given, but I do not believe it is the same for non-drug patents.

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Can you link me 1 or 2 good articles that talk/follow this Tricor story?  Thanks.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

cztlady did not think that the Oreck was that good.  I think you already know what she said.

CarmineD wrote:

The 07 and 14 do not have the same suction power.

I already did the kapock test.  Remember you brought this up when I recommended baking soda as a test.  BTW the Oreck still will not pass the baking soda test.

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

If I recall, catlady said the ORECK did not perform as good as the Miele.  My sense is the belt in the ORECK model [probably display/demo] needed replacing.  Belts must be replaced even if the vacuum is not used.

If my new vacuum budget was $600 and in the market for a full size, I'd opt for the Miele too over the ORECK.  Remember for $600, I bought 4 ORECK XL Classics and all the recipients rave over them!

Carmine D.