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DysonInventsBig
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The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Original Message May 29, 2008 12:41 pm |
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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related. (Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)
< yr. 1979 < yr. 5/2008
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #47 Jun 3, 2008 4:11 pm |
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The 07 and 14 do not have the same suction power.
Hello HARDSELL:
The difference in air watts between the two models [DC07/14] is so neglibible, it's insignificant. In fact all the dyson models since have significantly less air watts than the DC07. The improvement to allow dyson to skimp on the air watts after the DC07 and achieve better pick up is the improved brush roll design and function. That's the reason these 2 models are getting scrubbed. Only took Mr. Dyson and his 500 engineers [the innovative crew] 5 years to figure it out and make the necessary brush roll changes. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #48 Jun 3, 2008 4:18 pm |
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Carmine, That’s just it! If society benefits, patent extensions for life saving or bettering drugs are given, but I do not believe it is the same for non-drug patents. . Can you link me 1 or 2 good articles that talk/follow this Tricor story? Thanks. DIB DIB:
Society doesn't benefit by the drug patent holder claiming exclusive ad infinitum usage and charging high prices. Society benefits when other drug makers offer generics at less cost. Just as consumers don't benefit from $500 bagless dysons when $100-$200 bagless Dirt Devils, HOOVER-s, BISSELL-s etc perform as well. The Wall Street Journal has the best news coverage of the TRICOR drug case. I'm a reader but not an on-line subscriber. Sorry. BTW, the WSJ appears to be on the side of the generics against TRICOR. IMHO Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #49 Jun 3, 2008 4:22 pm |
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I already did the kapock test. Remember you brought this up when I recommended baking soda as a test. BTW the Oreck still will not pass the baking soda test. HARDSELL:
Kapoc is an industry standard test for carpet cleaning and has been for years. Baking soda on floors is not. You got this perverted cockeyed notion from Tom Gasko, who doesn't know anything about ORECK-s. If my ORECK devours pounds of sand monthly from my outdoors, brought in by the grands and the dogs, which is considerably harder to vacuum up, baking soda is a do nothing no contest. If it's not a Rainbow, Air Way or dyson [he's sold all of them at one time or another always claiming each as the best], Tom impugns it. That's his standard Forum mantra for years on all things related to vacuums. BTW, while kapoc is made to simulate real life home carpet lint debris, like pet hair, rug nap and cotton that has a tendency to cling to rugs, baking soda does not occur naturally in the home environment. Except perhaps yours and Tom Gasko. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #50 Jun 3, 2008 5:12 pm |
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DIB: Society doesn't benefit by the drug patent holder claiming exclusive ad infinitum usage and charging high prices. Society benefits when other drug makers offer generics at less cost. Just as consumers don't benefit from $500 bagless dysons when $100-$200 bagless Dirt Devils, HOOVER-s, BISSELL-s etc perform as well. The Wall Street Journal has the best news coverage of the TRICOR drug case. I'm a reader but not an on-line subscriber. Sorry. BTW, the WSJ appears to be on the side of the generics against TRICOR. IMHO Carmine D. Carmine, Infinitum? – Is there such a thing? Long term, the patented drugs will in time become public domain (generic drugs) and society will be the better for it. . I wonder what percentage (if any) of generic drug makers actually invest and invent their own and badly needed breakthru drugs. And to those generic makers who do not invest and invent, then much criticism should also be placed at their very, very deep pocked feet and not just the healers. . Thanks for the news source. . Your opinion of Dyson and his business model is not shared. DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #51 Jun 3, 2008 6:42 pm |
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Hello DIB: Ad infinitum: Latin term meaning for eternity, endless, limitless. It creeps into my speaking and writing. I speak for and by myself not for others regardless of the consequences. Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #52 Jun 3, 2008 6:51 pm |
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Hello DIB: Ad infinitum: Latin term meaning for eternity, endless, limitless. It creeps into my speaking and writing. I speak for and by myself not for others regardless of the consequences. Carmine D. I know the word. I know of no drug maker who’s been granted a limitless patent monopoly as you suggest. DIB
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HARDSELL
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #53 Jun 3, 2008 7:02 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL: If I recall, catlady said the ORECK did not perform as good as the Miele. My sense is the belt in the ORECK model [probably display/demo] needed replacing. Belts must be replaced even if the vacuum is not used. If my new vacuum budget was $600 and in the market for a full size, I'd opt for the Miele too over the ORECK. Remember for $600, I bought 4 ORECK XL Classics and all the recipients rave over them! Carmine D.
Blaming inferior performance of the Oreck on a belt. You are as desperate as I have ever seen you. If the belt has to be replaced so frequently on a demo unit or even if the Oreck has been sitting idle then maybe ol Dave should hire some Dyson engenieers and get in this century. My be its that a Dyson will perform after sitting idle for years.
BTW, catlady did not say the Oreck was inferior to only the Miele. She simply insinuated that it had poor performance.
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CarmineD
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #54 Jun 3, 2008 7:02 pm |
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Hello DIB: T'is I my good Lad, Carmine D. Have had only coffee, ice tea, and orange soda today like most days. Mr. Daniels is reserved for limited and infrequent occasions. Usually when I call upon and toast with others those men among men who came/left before me. Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #55 Jun 3, 2008 7:03 pm |
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Hello HARDSELL: The difference in air watts between the two models [DC07/14] is so neglibible, it's insignificant. In fact all the dyson models since have significantly less air watts than the DC07. The improvement to allow dyson to skimp on the air watts after the DC07 and achieve better pick up is the improved brush roll design and function. That's the reason these 2 models are getting scrubbed. Only took Mr. Dyson and his 500 engineers [the innovative crew] 5 years to figure it out and make the necessary brush roll changes. Carmine D. I used both. Remember. The 07 is a better performer IMO. Have you used both?
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HARDSELL
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #56 Jun 3, 2008 7:09 pm |
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HARDSELL: Kapoc is an industry standard test for carpet cleaning and has been for years. Baking soda on floors is not. You got this perverted cockeyed notion from Tom Gasko, who doesn't know anything about ORECK-s. If my ORECK devours pounds of sand monthly from my outdoors, brought in by the grands and the dogs, which is considerably harder to vacuum up, baking soda is a do nothing no contest. If it's not a Rainbow, Air Way or dyson [he's sold all of them at one time or another always claiming each as the best], Tom impugns it. That's his standard Forum mantra for years on all things related to vacuums. BTW, while kapoc is made to simulate real life home carpet lint debris, like pet hair, rug nap and cotton that has a tendency to cling to rugs, baking soda does not occur naturally in the home environment. Except perhaps yours and Tom Gasko. Carmine D. How do you imbed Kapok into the carpet? I am willingto bet you that more homes have baking soda on the hard floors and in the carpet than they do Kapok. I believe that I was the first to recommend baking soda as a test for vacuum performnce on hard surfaces. It certainly is mor like dust than Kapok.
Again, baking soda is a home staple. Kapok is not. You need to vacuum all the Kapok you can and make a life preserver. I tlooks like you will sink before you get back in the life boat. Since baking soda is a no contest why not tell us how your Oreck performed on the test.
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