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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

CarmineD wrote:
Talk about flip-flopping!!!  Weren't you the same one who said the following in the DYSON videos thread:

"From my way of viewing, and probably most others who are not diehard dyson fans, it is quite natural and understandable to side with Kenneth J, the engineering student, who patented his version some 10 years before dyson.  Why?  For the very reason DIB cites so often for dyson against other vacuum makers.  Americans and I trust most others like and root for the underdog.  In this case, Kenneth J. not James D."

So why aren't you "rooting for the underdog" here, as you so eloquently  put it?  There must be some reason other than the fact that you actually like Oreck, and dislike DYSON.

-MH 

Hello Motor:

The difference is huge:  Kenneth J filed a patent 10 years before dyson.  The HSN guy didn't file.  And didn't protest.  2 strikes against him.  Kenneth J has proof of being first.  The latter doesn't have anything.  Even tho given two opportunites to do so.

Makes for a good TV show.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Did Oreck contact Hunter Air with their intentions, asking for their blessings and permission in regards to taking control, owning and Trademarking Hunter Air’s very strong and money making tag phrase?  At minimum, did Oreck contact Hunter Air and give them fair warning by telling HA they should watch and pour thru the “Trademark Official Gazette” and once HA sees the trademark, then they had only a 30 day window from the Gazette’s publication date to file protest?

 

Kenneth J. and his team of lawyers contacted Dyson at a time of great leverage; only 20 days prior to the DC15’s U.S. launch did they contact Dyson.  Kenneth had a 20 year time frame (life of the patent) by which he could claim patent infringement.  Hunter Air had only a 30 day window by which to protest.  Huge differences, yes.        DIB

DIB:

I didn't quote and site the trademark notice.  Nor did I make the rules governing them.  The HSN guy had his chance, twice: Once to claim the right, like ORECK did.  And once to file protest after the ORECK's filing.  He blew both.  Now, he gets to talk about it on TV.  Who's to say he is telling the TV audience the truth and ORECK wasn't first?  His word?  Does he have corroborating proof/evidence to support his word?

BTW, the notice to respond to ALL proposed government rules and regulations in the CFR is 30 days.  That's standard operating procedure.  The government doesn't make individual mailings/contacts to people and businesses with vested interests.  It's the same for all: One public printed notice and 30 days to respond. 

Carmine D.

Hey Carmine,

You and I both demonstrated this company cannot be *trusted and isn’t all that creative.  If there is legal way to take what did not originate with them, then they will.  With regards to prooving anything...  Art Massey seemed very confident, so take from that what you will.        DIB

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*In terms of taking others (outside) ideas and not in how they treat their own.

DIB:

Sorry.  My heart and head are with ORECK-s.  As well as my money.  4 new ORECKS in one year.  It's an 8 pound cleaning champ for the home.  Both grand daughters have the vacuum gene.  [Another on the way].  They both take turns using the ORECK to help their Mother.  They look forward to it. 

ORECK should do the same as many other vacuum brands and provide a toy vacuum giveaway for Christmas.  Who knows.  May even get a younger target market buying the ORECK lightweight uprights.  In the event ORECK uses that idea and makes a fortune, it can keep it.  I don't want a penny.  My reward is watching my grand daughters use the ORECK to vacuum their home. 

Carmine D.

 

CarmineD wrote:

Hey Carmine,

I like your toy idea and giving it away.  I like the idea of the little ones having fun behind their moms or grandma’s Oreck too.  I like the idea that your heart and mind is behind Oreck. and for many reasons.  What I do not like is when Oreck takes the lower road at times with said tag phrase (for example).  There is absolutely no good reason for this.  IMO his reputation is king and doing anything that could damage this is reckless.  The thing about good original ideas is that they are free if one believes and looks for it and/or puts themselves in the place to receive it.  Since you are a Believer, you probably believe the idea of... Behind every gift is the Giver of the gift.  I wonder how the Giver feels when his gifts are taken from whom He gives them to?        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

Oreck already makes only toy vacuums.  Just cut the power cord so the kids will not get shocked.

HARDSELL wrote:
Sorry Carmine, but that was pretty funny!        DIB

DIB:

Thank you for liking the idea.  Maybe ORECK will use it?  I have some suggestions to pass along to ORECK on the vacuum, maybe I'll include this one too for marketing.

You have faith, and that's a blessing from the Almighty.  We all are given gifts, call them graces.  Some use and some do not.  For those who don't, they will be accountable for what they did with their graces.  [You know well the biblical parable of the coins: To whom much is given, much has to be received].  ORECK used it.

As I've said with similar debates here before, the grace [idea, call it what you like] can be granted and received by more than one.  It's what you do with it that counts.  In hindsight everyone can proclaim he/she had the grace [gift] first.  The question always becomes:  What did he/she do with it?  We know what the HSN guy did with it.  We know what ORECK did.  Choose who acted and who didn't.  For all you know the idea of air movement may have been the grace that started ORECK onto air purifiers?  ORECK used it as a business logo for purifiers.

BTW, HS is a funny guy.  He should have mentioned that before cutting the cord, make sure you pull the plug out of the electrical outlet.  I don't think Mike W agrees.  Didn't I see a lock on a thread yesterday shortly after HS posted:  Dyson: News You Can't Use?   Didn't you start that thread?   Now that's funny! 

Where one stands, depends on where one sits.

Carmine D.