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DysonInventsBig


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The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Original Message   May 29, 2008 12:41 pm

ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)



  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008


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dusty


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #157   Jun 24, 2008 2:59 pm
CarmineD wrote:
BEST BUY on-line now carries ORECK vacuums.  One talked about here the XL21 gets 4 out of 5 stars based on 40 reviews.  The BEST BUY Site says the following verbatim:

Oreck XL21. It's destined to become the standard by which all other vacuums are judged because it comes with an unprecedented 21-year Guarantee and 21 years of FREE tune-ups! From the bottom of its double-helix, high-speed, pile-lifting roller brushes, to the top of its redesigned comfort fit Helping Hand Handle, the XL21 delivers unsurpassed power and maneuverability.

http://www.bestbuys.com/p24159261-Oreck-XL21-Bagged-Upright-Vacuum--reviews.html

Carmine D.


This isn't Best Buy...it's Best Buys, which has nothing to do with the Best Buy chain. Best Buys is simply an affiliate for Shopping.com and gets paid by sending traffic to participating merchants.

Dusty
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DysonInventsBig


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #158   Jun 24, 2008 5:58 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:
May be of interest…
Hunters Senior Vice President of Sales – Art Massey (formerly Hunter’s vice president of marketing and product development) 
demoed an air purifier on HSN back in February, 2008.  During the demonstration he said, “I coined this phrase here on HSN 
about 8 years ago folks, and this is the truth…  But you hear the other guy (Oreck) say it and he stole it from me and that’s a fact!” 
 “If you’re going to clean the air then you have to move the air.”
 “If you’re going to clean the air then you have to move the air.”

DIB:

This is a statement of fact you quoted.

Statements of fact are not "coined" by authors at the exclusion of use by all others.

If this gentleman believes they are, and you too, then he and you have a skewed sense of perspective.

Certainly one I do not hold.

Carmine D.

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Below is one of 1 of 159 trademarks owned by Oreck....



CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #159   Jun 24, 2008 6:23 pm
dusty wrote:
This isn't Best Buy...it's Best Buys, which has nothing to do with the Best Buy chain. Best Buys is simply an affiliate for Shopping.com and gets paid by sending traffic to participating merchants.

Dusty



Hello Dusty:

Thank you again.  You are correct.  I was wrong.  Interesting rating for the ORECK XL 21.   Of course only 40 reviews, but still an 80 percent overall.  Not too bad.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #160   Jun 24, 2008 6:32 pm
DIB:

Please correct me if I'm wrong [As Dusty did].

It appears that the notice of the trademark is published for comment and in particular for "protest/opposition."  I presume the reason for this is to allow ORECK to stake its claim as originator and/or others to protest/oppose as originator.  During this time of notice, why didn't the supposed originator protest?  And if he fails to do so, isn't he/she preempted from doing so after the due date? 

In other words, anyone could say they were first.  But, if you didn't record/protest the official recordation within the time period allowed, you are preempted from any legal recourse.  In other words, you're out of luck.  ORECK wins by virtue of recording first and not meeting with any official protest in the alloted time to do so.  Is this correct from your perspective?

Carmine D.

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dusty


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #161   Jun 24, 2008 6:36 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Dusty:

Thank you again.  You are correct.  I was wrong.  Interesting rating for the ORECK XL 21.   Of course only 40 reviews, but still an 80 percent overall.  Not to bad.

Carmine D.


Same could be said for the Dyson DC15.  Four and a half stars out of five.

http://www.bestbuys.com/p24122475-Dyson-DC15-All-Floors---The-Ball-Bagless-Upright-Cyclonic-Vacuum--reviews.html

To each their own, shall we say.

Dusty
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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #162   Jun 24, 2008 7:50 pm
Dusty:

I would add one more observation to make the ORECK XL 21's star rating interesting based on 40 epinions.  Consumer Reports typically and consistently rates this ORECK model above all the dysons save one: the DC17.  So while each their own sounds good, the epinions and CR reviews for ORECK are congruent.  I can't say the same for the epinions star ratings and CR reviews for other brands like dyson which typically gets fair to middlin from CR.

Also Dusty if you don't mind me saying: When you put parens around the http site as you did in your post above, the site can't be found.

Carmine D.

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dusty


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #163   Jun 24, 2008 7:59 pm
I corrected the link.  Thanks for pointing it out.

Dusty
DysonInventsBig


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #164   Jun 24, 2008 8:04 pm
CarmineD wrote:
DIB:

Please correct me if I'm wrong [As Dusty did].

It appears that the notice of the trademark is published for comment and in particular for "protest/opposition."  I presume the reason for this is to allow ORECK to stake its claim as originator and/or others to protest/oppose as originator.  During this time of notice, why didn't the supposed originator protest?  And if he fails to do so, isn't he/she preempted from doing so after the due date? 

In other words, anyone could say they were first.  But, if you didn't record/protest the official recordation within the time period allowed, you are preempted from any legal recourse.  In other words, you're out of luck.  ORECK wins by virtue of recording first and not meeting with any official protest in the alloted time to do so.  Is this correct from your perspective?

Carmine D.


Carmine,

I’ll be glad to answer your question, but me first…  Q:  What is more reassuring for Oreck Dealers and alike….  A)  Hearing a competitor say on a live national t.v. (HSN) and proclaiming to hundreds of thousand of viewers (at minimum) that “the other guy stole it from me and that’s fact” or B) Knowing “Your guy” is super creative and Trademarked their original phrase?

.

What is to prevent Hunter Air from continually stating the above.  If there’s archived video of Hunter Air using this phrase 8 years or so prior, what can Oreck do?        DIB

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CarmineD


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #165   Jun 24, 2008 8:16 pm
DIB:

It makes for a good sales show.  The guy had his chance to protest and officially prove he said it first.  He didn't.  ORECK gets the credit he gets to put on a good show. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
Reply #166   Jun 24, 2008 9:18 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Dusty:

I would add one more observation to make the ORECK XL 21's star rating interesting based on 40 epinions.  Consumer Reports typically and consistently rates this ORECK model above all the dysons save one: the DC17.  So while each their own sounds good, the epinions and CR reviews for ORECK are congruent.  I can't say the same for the epinions star ratings and CR reviews for other brands like dyson which typically gets fair to middlin from CR.

Also Dusty if you don't mind me saying: When you put parens around the http site as you did in your post above, the site can't be found.

Carmine D.



CR.  The one who lost a law suit for giving a bad report on a certain electronics good and has raed them at the top ever since.  Also, awarded a best buy to a van simply because it had so many cup holders.

It is only logical that they rate Hoover and Oreck over Dyson because they have headlights to over ride the poor performance of both. 

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