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ORECK - The business, the history, the machine, the man and related.

(Below: Oreck 1979 to 2008)

  < yr. 1979  < yr. 5/2008

HS:

I have never shunned hot topics on any Forum.  But, this is not a Forum about religion and faith. 

It's about vacuums.  In particular, this thread is about ORECK and how it measures up to other

vacuums.  Which, I might add, is the standard bearer for all the lightweight vacuums that followed.

Even your favorite the dyson, which recently entered the market with a DC24 supposed lightweight

vacuum with full size performance.  Except unlike the ORECK bag that has a 6 quart dirt capacity, the DC24 has a peanut can dirt bin capacity.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

I have to agree with you.  Dyson needs the 6 qt bin because it picks up so much more than Oreck.

It would take a year to fill an Oreck bag.  Of course it probably not fill because it would loose so much suction it half full.  Suction is already poor per reports.

CarmineD wrote:
Are you back peddling?  It seemed obvious to me that was the case but as you are very fond of quoting and highlighting posts I offer you the following from one of your previous messages.

See unlike a big box retailer who doesn't stand behind the vacuum products it sells, ALL ORECK buyers/users praise ORECK for honoring its warranties.

I simply pointed out that this wasn't true and provided evidence to back it up.

Dusty

HARDSELL wrote:

Hardsell:  Bag makers (3M included) and vacuum manufacturers do not like the phrase "suction loss", they instead use and bury in their manuals the clandestine term "Low pressure loss."  Why?  Because the average consumer has no idea what this term means.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

ou are beginning to sound like Carmine.  Call it what you wish.  Performance declines as the bag fills.

Dear Boneheads.

When a filter bag fills with debris and other objects the suction does not decrease the cfm or the speed of the air starts to decrease, take a bag of your choice loaded to the max install back in the cleaner put your suction meter on the suction port where does the needle go? put a fresh bag in the machine run the test again,where does the needle go? it has the same suction does it not?

Watch how fast the needle moves,theres the trick.

For the last time all vacuums dont loose suction,[except when the hoses or filters are blocked and no air can get through,]

the only usefull meaning in vacuum performance is air movement or cubic feet of air per minute,,,,,,,

Heres another myth but makes for a good pitch, an upright moves the air faster so it must clean better than a tank or canister right,


MOLE

HARDSELL wrote:

HARDSELL, DIB:

Dyson performance declines as its filters clog.  Even burn out the motor.  Not so with paper bags.  Mr. Dyson and the dyson heads admit this with the latest dysons: DC24/25.  Hence, the reason for the required [read mandatory] filter maintenance to keep the warranty effective.  We also know even the soon to be discontinued dyson models DC07 and DC14 clogged, lost suction, lost performance and burned out motors.  Many have been returned to the big box retailers and indy dealers for those reasons.  These are the dyson refurbs that are flooding the market.  And most likely the reason you will not state the filter cleaning reasons on the latest dyson DC24/25. 

Begs the question: Why should a vacuum consumer pay $500 plus for a dyson with filters that clog [DC24/25] and require mandatory monthly/quarterly user maintenance to keep them clean?  Any big box store vacuum can do as well, if not better, for much less money and work.  Especially if they are not vacuuming the Indy/Daytona 500 race tracks, just their homes.

Carmine D.

Even the most ardent anti-ORECK-ers here admit that the ORECK staff and stores are professional and pristine.  Always! 

I have to impute and deduct that the same degree of professionalism goes into the making of the ORECK products, parts, repairs, and warranty coverage.  Despite one or two anti ORECK-ers who may anonymously post otherwise.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Once again you are posting as you want it to be and not like it is.

How many here have admitted this?

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

I have a habit to stop in and observe vacuum stores in operation.  ORECK included.  Based on my observations, over 50 plus years, ORECK is the model for a vacuum store operation.  Several regular posters here in the vacuum business have made similar comments, not just me.  

Although, MOLE has the patent on the bagless model on display in his showroom floor.  His sales pitch that kills the bagless vacuum sale is poignant.  Some, like DIB who has been conspicuously absent from here by his silence, may say it's a trick of the trade.  I prefer to say that it is the truth of the trade.  The crux of the matter for the bagless vacuum weaknesses.  Sheer genius on MOLE's part, as Lucky 1 attests.

The more appropriate question you should ask is this: Has anyone here ever posted that they found an ORECK store, in the course of their vacuum shopping and buying, that does not have a professional appearance with professional staff?  Inside and outside.  Where are these stores located, if there are any?

As I mentioned of all the 475 ORECK stores opened, not one has ever closed.  A testament to their operations.

Carmine D.