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rjg2


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message   Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am
Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!
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HARDSELL


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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #5   Feb 17, 2008 10:39 pm
I returned a Bissell Healthy Home and kept my Dyson DC07.   They Dyson is worth the cost difference IMO.
mole


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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #6   Feb 18, 2008 9:34 am
Hi,I.M.H.O. you would be LUCKY to get 2 years out of each of these bagless machines,before big trouble sets in,please consider what type of backup service and repair are offered. Sanitaires customer service is excellent,even though they dont talk english.

MOLE

DysonInventsBig


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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #7   Feb 18, 2008 11:54 am

Mark Bissell has a $25 every 6 months hidden cost.  Per the Healthy Home online manual, the HEPA must be replaced every 6 months minimum.  After 2 years the Bissell’s total cost is $325.  $325 amortized over its 2 year warrantee = $162.50 per yr.

 

Dyson’s new vacuum’s are coming next month, these and his patent filings point out that the Dyson clutch is dead (the most common problem perhaps).  A yet to be released Dyson DC25 ($500) looks to be his best ever full sized and certainly the most maneuverable in upright in vacuum cleaner history.  $500 amortized over its 5 year warrantee = $100 per year.


Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #8   Feb 18, 2008 12:22 pm
How is the plastic on the Bissell? I've had parts on several Bissell products I've repaired BREAK while working on them!!! I really haven't had much faith in them ever since. (Serious question not just a gripe)
rjg2


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
Points: 7

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #9   Feb 18, 2008 12:32 pm
Thanks for the replies.  Recently I have looked at the Dyson's in person and I now cannot justify paying the price.  I would rather pay a premium for a reliable commerical vacuum.  I am also not sold on Bissells.

Basically we need one that is a bagless upright(cleaning reusable filters is not a problem nor is emptying the cup), good on pet hair, doesn't smell and has tools. 
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Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #10   Feb 18, 2008 12:39 pm
One thing I noticed about the HealthyHome is that it wasn't like its cheaper brandmates (like the PowerForce, CleanView, etc...) it seemed to be fairly well-made, no cheap flimsy plastic.  It would almost have to be; after all, it is Bissell's flagship upright model, something that was nonexistent before. 

The Sanitaire SC5845 is nothing more than a cheapie Eureka bagless with a metal handle and other "beefed up" parts.  Other than that, it's the same worthless machine underneath.  Don't be fooled by the "Commercial" labeling.  Not to mention machines with bin filters are notorious for clogging and stinking.  I would honestly just take a bagged machine over one of those abominations.
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rjg2


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #11   Feb 18, 2008 1:09 pm
Motorhead wrote:
One thing I noticed about the HealthyHome is that it wasn't like its cheaper brandmates (like the PowerForce, CleanView, etc...) it seemed to be fairly well-made, no cheap flimsy plastic.  It would almost have to be; after all, it is Bissell's flagship upright model, something that was nonexistent before. 

The Sanitaire SC5845 is nothing more than a cheapie Eureka bagless with a metal handle and other "beefed up" parts.  Other than that, it's the same worthless machine underneath.  Don't be fooled by the "Commercial" labeling.  Not to mention machines with bin filters are notorious for clogging and stinking.  I would honestly just take a bagged machine over one of those abominations.

Thanks for the info.  What kind of BAG vacuum would you recommend? 
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #12   Feb 18, 2008 2:43 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Mark Bissell has a $25 every 6 months hidden cost.  Per the Healthy Home online manual, the HEPA must be replaced every 6 months minimum. 

 



The BISSELL Healthy Home Users Guide says "should" not must.    There is no mention of the word 'minimum' in the Guide.  You quoted the text out of context which resulted in a pretext.

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #13   Feb 18, 2008 3:15 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Mark Bissell has a $25 every 6 months hidden cost.  Per the Healthy Home online manual, the HEPA must be replaced every 6 months minimum.  After 2 years the Bissell’s total cost is $325.  $325 amortized over its 2 year warrantee = $162.50 per yr.

 


Let's assume for talking purposes that the user does change the airtight HEPA every 6 months because BISSELL says it should be changed.  Using your purchase price of $25 per filter, probably accurate, the user would spend $75 for 3 additional new replacement filters during a 2 year useful life.  Remember there is a new filter with the vacuum which has a 6 month life [minimum assuming daily usage].  Doing the math and the amortization of the the cost, assuming a $200 purchase price [using a 20 percent discount coupon] the total "sunk" cost is $275 [including filters].  Or $137.50 per year for the first 2 years vice $100 for the dyson. 

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #14   Feb 18, 2008 3:26 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dyson’s new vacuum’s are coming next month, these and his patent filings point out that the Dyson clutch is dead (the most common problem perhaps).  A yet to be released Dyson DC25 ($500) looks to be his best ever full sized and certainly the most maneuverable in upright in vacuum cleaner history.  $500 amortized over its 5 year warrantee = $100 per year.



Let's also assume, for talking purposes, that the BISSELL Healthy Home continues in operation for 3 more years beyond the warranty period.  The amortized price of the dyson for these 3 years is $300 [$100x3].  However for the BISSELL Healthy Home it is $150 for the next 3 years [3 years x $50 (for 2 new filters each year) and 6 filters in total] and $50 per year.  Vice the dyson which is $100 per year. 

Doing the math, the amortized cost of the BISSELL Healthy Home for 5 years is $425 [$275 PLUS $150] and $85 per year.  The dyson is $500 and $100 per year.  A net savings of $15 per year for the BISSELL Healthy Home vice the dyson.  An overall user savings for 5 years of $75 for the BISSELL vice the dyson.

If you maintain that the dyson user has 3 more years of warranty for the additional $75 expense, then I maintain that the BISSELL Healthy Home buyer can purchase 3 more years of an extended warranty from most retailers for $40.  If the user buys the extended warranty, it still is a net savings to the BISSELL buyer of $35 over 5 years vice the dyson.  That's enough to buy another new HEPA guaranteed airtight filter as a spare [just in case the user has some heavy duty cleaning to do with the BISSELL Healthy Home] with money leftover. 

Carmine D. 

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