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rjg2


Joined: Feb 17, 2008
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message   Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am
Hello,

I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair.  I am considering the above 2 or something else.  I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments.  I like the price of the Sanitaire.  I also would like something that is reliable.  Thanks for any help!
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MrApollinax


Joined: Feb 18, 2008
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #15   Feb 18, 2008 4:04 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Let's also assume, for talking purposes, that the BISSELL Healthy Home continues in operation for 3 more years beyond the warranty period.  The amortized price of the dyson for these 3 years is $300 [$100x3].  However for the BISSELL Healthy Home it is $150 [3x$50 for 6 new HEPA filters] of $50 per year.  </p><p>Doing the math, the amortized cost of the BISSELL Healthy Home for 5 years is $425 [$275 PLUS $150] and $85 per year vice the dyson which is $500 and $100 per year.  A net savings of $15 per year for the BISSELL Healthy Home vice the dyson.  An overall user savings for the 5 years of $75 for the BISSELL vice the dyson.</p><p>If you maintain that the dyson user has 3 more years of warranty for the additional $75 expense, then I would maintain that the BISSELL Healthy Home buyer can purchase 3 more years of extended warranty from most retailers for an additional $40.  If the user does buy the extended warranty, it is a net savings to the BISSELL buyer of $35 over the dyson for 5 years.  Enough to buy another new filter for a spare [just in case the user has some heavy duty cleaning to do with the BISSELL Healthy Home].</p><p>Carmine D. 

Hello, new to the forum. Joined up here because my curiosity about vacuums was peaked on another forum. One of the thing that I've picked up from another forum about this is to buy some electrostatic filter material and cut it to fit underneath the pre-motor filter of the Bissell vacs. From what was explained to me this essentially mirrors what Dyson does with their pre-motor filters to make the exhaust filter last the lifetime of the machine. So far I've changed my homemade filter insert twice (every 3 months) and wash the foam filter once a month and my HEPA filter doesn't have any dust in it from what I can see. My other bagless Bissell needed to have the HEPA replaced every 5-6 months becuase it kept getting clogged with dust. I buy WEB electrostatic register filters from Walmart. A 12-pack costs 2.98+tax and each register filter will make 3 filters to place underneath the pre-motor filter giving you 36 filter inserts in total or 9 years worth of filter material. So if you take this little bit of tweaking into account up front the cost of new HEPA filters goes away for the cost of 3 dollars.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #16   Feb 18, 2008 4:54 pm
MrApollinax wrote:
Hello, new to the forum. Joined up here because my curiosity about vacuums was peaked on another forum. One of the thing that I've picked up from another forum about this is to buy some electrostatic filter material and cut it to fit underneath the pre-motor filter of the Bissell vacs. From what was explained to me this essentially mirrors what Dyson does with their pre-motor filters to make the exhaust filter last the lifetime of the machine. So far I've changed my homemade filter insert twice (every 3 months) and wash the foam filter once a month and my HEPA filter doesn't have any dust in it from what I can see. My other bagless Bissell needed to have the HEPA replaced every 5-6 months becuase it kept getting clogged with dust. I buy WEB electrostatic register filters from Walmart. A 12-pack costs 2.98+tax and each register filter will make 3 filters to place underneath the pre-motor filter giving you 36 filter inserts in total or 9 years worth of filter material. So if you take this little bit of tweaking into account up front the cost of new HEPA filters goes away for the cost of 3 dollars.



Outstanding. 

Redoing the amortization schedules for the BISSELL Healthy Home and the dyson [assuming a 5 year useful life] then the adjusted costs for each are: 

For the BISSELL Healthy Home:  $200 + $40 [extended warranty to account for 5 years] + $3.00 [pre-motor filter linings] for a grand total of $243.  The dyson is $500. 

The yearly amortized amounts over 5 years are $48.60 for the BISSELL each year vice $100 for the dyson.  Almost less than half.  As I said, if you want "value" rather than "glitz", the BISSELL Healthy Home is the best choice.

Thank you Mr. Apollinax for your money saving suggestion to extend HEPA filter life and usage.

Carmine D. 

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #17   Feb 18, 2008 7:47 pm
CarmineD wrote:
As I said, if you want "value" rather than "glitz", the BISSELL .

Carmine D. 



If you really want a vacuum that cleans better than the Bissell,  and if you can afford it,  Buy Dyson.   I have used both and in my home the 3 year old Dyson outcleaned the new Bissell.
Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #18   Feb 18, 2008 8:16 pm
MrApollinax wrote:
Hello, new to the forum. Joined up here because my curiosity about vacuums was peaked on another forum. One of the thing that I've picked up from another forum about this is to buy some electrostatic filter material and cut it to fit underneath the pre-motor filter of the Bissell vacs. From what was explained to me this essentially mirrors what Dyson does with their pre-motor filters to make the exhaust filter last the lifetime of the machine. So far I've changed my homemade filter insert twice (every 3 months) and wash the foam filter once a month and my HEPA filter doesn't have any dust in it from what I can see. My other bagless Bissell needed to have the HEPA replaced every 5-6 months becuase it kept getting clogged with dust. I buy WEB electrostatic register filters from Walmart. A 12-pack costs 2.98+tax and each register filter will make 3 filters to place underneath the pre-motor filter giving you 36 filter inserts in total or 9 years worth of filter material. So if you take this little bit of tweaking into account up front the cost of new HEPA filters goes away for the cost of 3 dollars.

Hi MrApollinax,

Was this the Fatwallet.com forum by any chance?  Tom Gasko was the one who made that suggestion on there and other places, IIRC.  I'll have to dig up the thread again.
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Motorhead


Joined: Nov 2, 2007
Points: 409

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #19   Feb 18, 2008 8:20 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
If you really want a vacuum that cleans better than the Bissell,  and if you can afford it,  Buy Dyson.   I have used both and in my home the 3 year old Dyson outcleaned the new Bissell.

Hi Hardsell,

I think the problem here is that the person who posed the question initially is not taking the suggestions for the Dyson OR Bissell and is instead looking at inferior machines with bin filters, not realizing that it will be a huge mistake, especially for someone with allergies as they clog with fine dust and are a huge mess to empty.  I agree 100% that the Dyson should be the first choice if money is no object, and for $250, while not as good as the DC17, the Bissell HealthyHome is a viable alternative (really the *only* viable alternative here).  At least with either machine there are no nasty bin filters to clog and spew dust.

-MH
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MrApollinax


Joined: Feb 18, 2008
Points: 13

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #20   Feb 18, 2008 10:24 pm
Motorhead wrote:
Hi MrApollinax,<BR><BR>Was this the Fatwallet.com forum by any chance?  Tom Gasko was the one who made that suggestion on there and other places, IIRC.  I'll have to dig up the thread again.

That would be the place. I never actually got a name from him. Over on FW we all know him as Cycloneman :). He has given us a lot to chew on in terms of vacuums (both bagged and bagless) and deep cleaners all on one thread. Here is the link:

http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/652989

Started as a deal discussion about Hoover Fusion machines, then the Mach3/5 machines. After cycloneman jumped on it expanded to the Bissell Velocity, Dirt Devil Spinnergy, Shark Infinity, Eureka 4880, Bissell Healthy Home... basically encompassing all machines on the market that use cyclonic filtering. It also led to how to extend the life and performance of these machines. Great read. Currently I'm trying to figure out how to dampen the static electricity being generated in the dirt cup of my Total Floors Velocity which led me to this forum looking for answers.
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #21   Feb 19, 2008 1:28 am
CarmineD wrote:
The BISSELL Healthy Home Users Guide says "should" not must.    There is no mention of the word 'minimum' in the Guide.  You quoted the text out of context which resulted in a pretext.

Carmine D.



There you go lying again.  I wrote my post from memory, and not from pretext.  I gladly and easily swap must for should.


CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #22   Feb 19, 2008 7:03 am
Some years ago, I engaged Mr. Tom Gasko on the pros and cons of the Eureka Whirlwind bagless [the first bagless upright vacuum marketed in the USA to use the term 'cyclonic'] and the newcomer dyson bagless, his favorite at the time.  He praised the DC07 and its exorbitant price and kow towed the mediocre performance of the dyson.  He bashed the $100 bagless Eureka Whirlwind.  I took the opposite view in favor of the Eureka, in large part, because of the affordable price and its excellent rug cleaning performance. 

One of Tom Gasko's arguments at the time, like DIB now with the BISSELL Healthy Home, was the need to change the HEPA filter in the Eureka for $25 each time.  My comment to him then was that I doubled up on the foam pre-motor filter in the Eureka bagless Whirlwind and I had not changed the HEPA filter [for over 6 years].  No loss in performance [read suction] and no noticeable air emissions degradation.  Why?  My dear Wife, as an allergy and sinus sufferer and primary user of the Whirlwind, would have noticed and let me know.   I believe the pre-motor filter cost $3.00.  I cleaned them [read vacuum] once a month.   Replaced them yearly. 

For those who remember the written debate, I said the Eureka bagless Whirwind upright for $100 was a deal and gifted more than 6 away over the years, including my own eventually.   Some of these Eurekas are still in use after many years.  Always adding the extra pre-motor filter to the vacuum before gifting.  I mentioned then that I liked the Whirlwind in part too because of a plastic shroud that covered the motor.  Unheard of in a $100 vacuum.

The Eureka Whirlwind Cyclonic bagless upright was a long running popular selling vacuum for Eureka.  Like the HOOVER Tempo, one of my favorites. 

Carmine D.

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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #23   Feb 19, 2008 7:48 am
CarmineD wrote:
Some years ago, I engaged Mr. Tom Gasko on the pros and cons of the Eureka Whirlwind bagless [the first bagless upright vacuum marketed in the USA to use the term 'cyclonic'] and the newcomer dyson bagless, his favorite at the time.  He praised the DC07 and its exorbitant price and kow towed the mediocre performance of the dyson.  He bashed the $100 bagless Eureka Whirlwind.  I took the opposite view in favor of the Eureka, in large part, because of the affordable price and its excellent rug cleaning performance. 

One of Tom Gasko's arguments at the time, like DIB now with the BISSELL Healthy Home, was the need to change the HEPA filter in the Eureka for $25 each time.  My comment to him then was that I doubled up on the foam pre-motor filter in the Eureka bagless Whirlwind and I had not changed the HEPA filter [for over 6 years].  No loss in performance [read suction] and no noticeable air emissions degradation.  Why?  My dear Wife, as an allergy and sinus sufferer and primary user of the Whirlwind, would have noticed and let me know.   I believe the pre-motor filter cost $3.00.  I cleaned them [read vacuum] once a month.   Replaced them yearly. 

For those who remember the written debate, I said the Eureka bagless Whirwind upright for $100 was a deal and gifted more than 6 away over the years, including my own eventually.   Some of these Eurekas are still in use after many years.  Always adding the extra pre-motor filter to the vacuum before gifting.  I mentioned then that I liked the Whirlwind in part too because of a plastic shroud that covered the motor.  Unheard of in a $100 vacuum.

The Eureka Whirlwind Cyclonic bagless upright was a long running popular selling vacuum for Eureka.  Like the HOOVER Tempo, one of my favorites. 

Carmine D.



Carmine,  No matter what brand is discussed (other than Dyson)  you seem to own it and rotate brands in your daily vacuuming.  I would expect a vacuum to last for years when it has dozens or maybe hundreds of back ups and is not used more than a few times each year.

Why do you criticize plastic useage in Dysons and praise other brands for using it?  Same old double standard against Dyson I suppose.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #24   Feb 19, 2008 8:26 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Carmine,  No matter what brand is discussed (other than Dyson)  you seem to own it and rotate brands in your daily vacuuming.  I would expect a vacuum to last for years when it has dozens or maybe hundreds of back ups and is not used more than a few times each year.

Why do you criticize plastic useage in Dysons and praise other brands for using it?  Same old double standard against Dyson I suppose.



Hello My Friend:

I've owned and tried [to use] a new DC07 pink in my current home here in Las Vegas.  Gifted it away after several months rather than return it as dyson recommended.  It didn't work on my carpets.  Gawdawful ratcheting noise kept happening.  My poor Wife and dog had to leave the house whenever I started to use it.

The Eureka vice dyson debate between Tom [then called dualcyclone] and I was before your time here and on a different forum.  Like I said earlier, Eureka was the first company and vacuum in the USA to don the "cyclonic" name on its vacuums.  Long before dyson did.   And Eureka didn't sue [like dyson would].

I have always had favorite affordable "value" vacuums.  Why?

After spending 40 plus years in the vacuum business, lots of people always ask me [still do, even email] what is a good upright vacuum that will not cost me an arm and leg.  I respond to the question with an answer based on my [and my dear Wife] personal and professional judgement and experience.  Before the HOOVER TEMPO, it was the Eureka bagged/bagless upright.  Posters and readers who follow the vacuum Forums starting in 1997 [pre-dyson] will recall.  You're a newcomer [post dyson].

I gift these away to friends and family when I am done using [read testing].  In part, to track the vacuums' service and performance after my usage in our homes.  There is at least one poster on this Forum who will verify that I've gifted a new HOOVER product to him [not the TEMPO].   The HOOVER Slider.  It's used in my home. I've gifted more than a dozen away to friends and family.  If HOOVER marketed this, I think every home in the US would have at least one.  Retails for $25-$40.  I've posted a review on here.  As I do all the products I use and I think are a value. 

And another poster here will tell you I gifted 2 new HOOVER vacuums to local churches this past Christmas: One, a HOOVER Z to be used in a commercial cleaning setting; and another a HOOVER TEMPO for a needy parish family.

Carmine D. 

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