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rjg2
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Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Original Message Feb 17, 2008 5:01 am |
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Hello, I am looking at purchasing a good vac for pet hair. I am considering the above 2 or something else. I prefer a bagless upright that has attachments. I like the price of the Sanitaire. I also would like something that is reliable. Thanks for any help!
This message was modified Feb 17, 2008 by rjg2
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MrApollinax
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #25 Feb 19, 2008 8:53 am |
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Some years ago, I engaged Mr. Tom Gasko on the pros and cons of the Eureka Whirlwind bagless [the first bagless upright vacuum marketed in the USA to use the term 'cyclonic'] and the newcomer dyson bagless, his favorite at the time. ...Carmine D.
To be fair he did state in the FW forum that Dysons were designed in a way where the user should not need to do more than clean the pre-motor filter. The other "clones" had design(ed) limitations that would effect the overall life and performance of the machines. What he did give us over at FW were the steps to easily modify or maintain these "clones" in a way that made the machines perform on par with their dyson counterparts. Here is a quote he said to DIB on the FW fourum: http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/652989/m11051108/#m11051108 To DysonInventsBig:
You have NO idea how big a Dyson fan I am. You could ask me any question about James, how he invented the machine, about ALL his products, even machines you've perhaps never seen before (like the "Cyclon", his very first machine, built by Zannusi in Italy, 500 made, 1983, I own one). No one understands what James has gone through achieve his success more than I do. I admire and respect James.
But this thread, and perhaps the point of this site, is for consumers to choose alternatives.
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I believe that Dyson is the Rolls Royce of bagless cleaners. However, not everyone can afford a Rolls Royce. Sure, we also know we are going to have to 'live' with a non-dyson vacuum's various mis-steps in the copying process. Finding them out BEFORE you buy is what, I believe, this forum is all about.
There is a lot more in the post but I left what I thought was important. For us over at FW looking for a bagless vacuum cycloneman gave us options that many of us didn't know about when we started looking for vacuums.
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #27 Feb 20, 2008 1:38 pm |
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To be fair he did state in the FW forum that Dysons were designed in a way where the user should not need to do more than clean the pre-motor filter. The other "clones" had design(ed) limitations that would effect the overall life and performance of the machines. What he did give us over at FW were the steps to easily modify or maintain these "clones" in a way that made the machines perform on par with their dyson counterparts. Here is a quote he said to DIB on the FW fourum:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/652989/m11051108/#m11051108
There is a lot more in the post but I left what I thought was important. For us over at FW looking for a bagless vacuum cycloneman gave us options that many of us didn't know about when we started looking for vacuums.
Mr. Apollinax:
You're a good man. What's old is new again, as Mike W. likes to say. Very true for the vacuum industry and has always been. Back in the day when tanks with cloth bags ruled and reigned supreme, vacuum manufacturers took good care to "sure" up the pre-motor filters in vacuums. Why? To reduce the dust and debris that got past the cloth from getting into the motor compartment. For obvious reasons. To protect and extend the motor life and improve the exhaust air [smell and content]. How did they do this? Most would sandwich the filter material, which was very primitive by today's standards, between screen wire and/or fine mesh and then enclosed in a rubber gasket. To give the filter material strength, support, and substance; absorb motor heat; and seal the air [read dirt leakage] from entering the motor. In order to extend filter life and keep and prolong peak motor performance. Most times these filters were rarely replaced and instead merely vacuumed cleaned. These pre-motor filters and set ups went by the wayside as filter paper bags appeared in the 50's and 60's and flourished in the industry. With bagless vacuums, these pre-motor filters [and ways to improve their longevity] have made a resurgence. And rightly so. A clogged pre-motor filter is the quickest way to burn up a motor. Both then and now. BTW, the Eureka Whirlwind bagless was a signature gray and yellow. Just like the dyson DC07 All Floors. Except the Whirlwind came first. Carmine D.
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rjg2
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #28 Feb 20, 2008 2:08 pm |
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Thanks to all for the replies. I read Cyclonemans info and it was interesting. All of the info. made me go and order a Dyson DC07. I know it isn't exactly what everyone recommended but it should work better than a 10 year old Hoover upright.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #29 Feb 20, 2008 3:41 pm |
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rjg2, My neighbor loves her DC07. I personally think the DC07 high efficiency filtration is the best Dyson currently offers. It should filter better than Dyson’s newest uprights that are coming too (the DC24/25). There are some patent pendings from big corporations out of Asia that are copying James’ proven upward cyclone filtration and putting them into their canisters. These/this type of filtration configuration/s are here to stay. DIB
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #30 Feb 20, 2008 7:26 pm |
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Thanks to all for the replies. I read Cyclonemans info and it was interesting. All of the info. made me go and order a Dyson DC07. I know it isn't exactly what everyone recommended but it should work better than a 10 year old Hoover upright.
Congrats on the new dyson. Good choice IF you snagged it for a good price. Home Depot is selling the DC07 and DC14 on clearance AND offering an additional 10 percent off through today for Presidents' Day. The DC07 is the better of the deals IMHO: $329 on clearance less an additional $33 for final price of $299. 5 year Warranty. Not bad.
Of course, I wouldn't toss/gift away that 10 year old HOOVER quite yet. Not until you try out the new dyson and are duly pleased with the results. Carmine D.
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MrApollinax
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #31 Feb 20, 2008 7:40 pm |
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the DC07 is starting to clearance out of Targets right now. I think they are trying to clear stock before getting the new models in. There are some reports of 50% mark downs from the ticket price of 399.99. If you can find one at the 199-225 range you could try to be industrious and get a picture and manager confirmation and take it to Circuit City, Sears or BBB and try to get a price match less 5%. That puts the 07 in the 190-200 range before taxes. From the reports only the DC07 is clearancing out. The DC14,15 and 17 are all still regular price right now. Good luck!
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #32 Jun 6, 2008 6:01 pm |
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rjg2, My neighbor loves her DC07. I personally think the DC07 high efficiency filtration is the best Dyson currently offers. It should filter better than Dyson’s newest uprights that are coming too (the DC24/25). There are some patent pendings from big corporations out of Asia that are copying James’ proven upward cyclone filtration and putting them into their canisters. These/this type of filtration configuration/s are here to stay. DIB DO YOU STILL FEEL THIS WAY D.I.B MOLE
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CarmineD
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Re: Sanitaire SC5845 Bagless, Dyson DC14 or other Upright
Reply #34 Jun 7, 2008 8:35 am |
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I said a few things. What exactly is the question? DIB My neighbor loves her DC07. I personally think the DC07 high efficiency filtration is the best Dyson currently offers. It should filter better than Dyson’s newest uprights that are coming too (the DC24/25). [others are] copying James’ proven upward cyclone filtration and putting them into their canisters. These/this type of filtration configuration/s are here to stay. DIB Hello DIB: Nice try. Please allow me to facilitate the discussion here for you. Like MOLE above, I doubt the innovative success of dyson. Why? Simple. If the most ardent dyson fans like yourself [above] claim publicly that the 6 year old DC07 bests the newest DC24/25. Is it any wonder that die hard dyson fans [like HARDSELL] don't buy new dysons [in fact return newly purchased DC14-s]. My sense is that all the dyson fans believe new dyson models are lacking and not as good as past. Over time and experience [15 years as Dsyon LTD], the latest and greatest guru of vacuum filtration [Mr. Dyson] by his own admirers' admissions is not getting better. What happened to the dyson improvement that HARDSELL boasts about? Sounds more like failure. [To quote my esteemed friend and colleague]: DO YOU STILL FEEL THIS WAY D.I.B
MOLE [DIB: Merely re-read your post to discern the question]? Carmine D.
This message was modified Jun 7, 2008 by CarmineD
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