Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

http://gizmodo.com/345918/dyson-dc24-vac-sir-james-brings-his-ball-back

Two models, one small, one large :-

DC24
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC24-ALLFLOORS

DC25
http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/product.asp?product=DC25-ALLFLOORS

CarmineD wrote:
Rather interesting that they were (once again) comparing the Oreck to a Dyson designed for European carpets, the DC14.  Why?  Well, if they did this with a DC17 (which *was* designed for American carpets), the Oreck would lose.  As I mentioned before, the test machine is always the DC07, 14, or 15 used in videos/demos/etc. that bash Dysons.

Perhaps they weren't negative, but the ads *were* critical of the Dyson, so James answered by bringing out another machine ;-)

CarmineD wrote:
The difference here is that the DC24 is considerably lighter, therefore it would be considerably lighter at the handle end as well.  Since the handle is fully extended that would decrease the weight even more, as it would give the user more leverage.  Look at the side-by-side comparison picture of the DC24 and DC15...it's no wonder the DC15 is top-heavy!

CarmineD wrote:
Exactly.  That's 5 pounds of extra machine (with no wheels, no less) that has to be carried around since the hose is too short.  I don't know if it's changed over the years (the new design can't be that different but I can only hope they have), but the Oreck XL canister I had had a TINY bag capacity.  I was changing those things every couple of weeks because they would get so full.  And while it had strong suction, the airflow was practically nil even with a new bag.

At least with the Dyson, it can stay on the ground, AND as I mentioned before, it's one machine for both carpet and above-floor cleaning.  Either way, there's no doubt the airflow is better than the Oreck minicanister.

Motorhead wrote:

I conclude from your statement then that you agree with Oreck that the DC07, DC14, and DC15 were not designed for American carpets.  And it took dyson almost FIVE years to make an upright for US carpets.  If the DC17 is designed for US carpets, I pose the same question the Oreck customer asked: Why doesn't dyson submit the DC17 Absolute for testing and certification on US carpets by the Carpet and Rug Institute of America?  Like all Oreck uprights.

My sense is the DC17 and Oreck XL would come VERY VERY close in test comparisons on varoius carpets for cleaning.  And it would be very hard to declare an overall winner.  Plus the DC17 weighs 21 pounds vice the Oreck which is only 8.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

The DC24 should be compared to lightweight vacuums like the Sears Permalite and HOOVER Tempo even the SEBO Felix for manuevering and ease of handling.  Not a full sized vacuum.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

No, not exactly.  That's 8-10 pounds less than the dyson DC24.  And the Oreck compact canister does come with a shoulder strap.  And the paper bags, at least on the new Oreck compact canisters, are a decent size for a compact canister.  Like I said huge.  And even using the early models with smaller bags, the combined dirt capacities of the Oreck XL upright AND the compact canister are much larger than the DC24. 

Contrary to you,  I prefer TWO vacuums than 2 in 1: A lightweight upright as a daily user for rugs/floors and a lightweight canister for all the above the floor cleaning (once a week and/or as needed).  Not one vacuum for both cleaning modes ALL THE TIME.  I also expect both lightweight vacuums to perform as well as their full sized counterparts and not be more expensive to buy.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
As you mentioned previously, different strokes for different folks I guess...I could never get used to using two different cleaners for different purposes.  If I'm vacuuming and I see cat hair on the sofa, dust on the window sill, etc., I like the idea that the vacuum is right there with me and all I have to do is detach the hose and pick it right up rather than make a mental note to go over it with another machine after I'm done.  Or, worse, stop vacuuming to get the other machine.  It's the same situation for uprights that can clean above the floor but don't have the attachments on board; I don't use my Ultimate G much for that reason.

While I will admit that yes, the bags of both Oreck machines are bigger than the DC24's bin, the user isn't expected to change the bag before or after each use either unlike the Dyson. 

Motorhead wrote:

There's an inexpensive cleaning invention and wonder on the market.  It's called a Swiffer duster.  Comes with a plastic handle and 5 disposable dusters.  Very cheap and easy to use.  About 10 inches long.  Almost weightless.  I always have one handy in the jacket pocket of the outer bag on my new Oreck XL.  When I'm vacuuming the rugs and floors, I take an extra few seconds just to swipe across the areas that need a light dusting and voila, all is clean until I'm ready to use the cann.  Works great.  It's made by Proctor and Gamble AND traps and locks in dust.  And it is an energy saver because it doesn't need electricity to operate.

Carmine D.

Motorhead wrote:

No, not exactly.  Having lived and worked in Missouri for awhile, I always have doubt until I see the proof for myself.  I've used Oreck canisters and I am impressed with their performance for baby canns and light household cleaning, for garages, and cars.  And the price [free with purchase of the XL upright] is hard to beat.  Of course, the price is built into the XL cost.

I haven't used a DC24 yet.  I owned and used the DC07 pink [$400].  Very unimpressed with it.  Used the DC15 All Floors [$500].  It is absolutely the worse vacuum ever to come to market in the USA in the last 50 years with one possible exception.  I had the opportunity to buy and use a DC11 [$500] dyson cann for $100.  I turned it down and the dealer offered it to me for $50.  I turned it down again.  Why? This is IMH the one exception to the DC15.  And the DC16 hand held dyson [$150] is a very close second.  Dyson has the 3 worse vacuums I've seen come to market in the last 50 years.  And it took them just 2 short years to make the Triple Crown of the 50 years' worse in vacuums.

So you see I do have doubt.

Carmine D.

The DC24 "Blue" Animal and the DC23 "Bronze" Stowaway can be seen here.        DIB