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Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Original Message Jan 17, 2008 3:54 pm |
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DC18
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #283 Apr 9, 2008 5:20 pm |
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I personally don't think the 'new' ball vacuums have more publicity than the original DC15 Ball. There was pre TV ad to give us a taste of what was to come before the DC15 launched. There still is a separate web purely for the DC15 that goes into depth about the new product and it new technologies. Then there was another TV showing the full product and a full launch from James Dyson. With the DC24 and DC25 there has been the web info but very limited and the TV ad which has just come sout. No offical launch in the uK as far as I'm aware (other conutries yes!). All the publiciy is on the DC24 and not the DC25 or the other 2 new models DC22 and DC23. I think Dyson is pushing the DC24 (and the DC22) more than the other 2 models DC25 and DC23 due tot hem being lighter and smaller but offer very good performance. This is the route or one of them they will go down (has been mentioned in articles\interviews with James Dyson) and the ball technology being one of them! DC18
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #284 Apr 9, 2008 5:41 pm |
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I personally don't think the 'new' ball vacuums have more publicity than the original DC15 Ball. There was pre TV ad to give us a taste of what was to come before the DC15 launched. There still is a separate web purely for the DC15 that goes into depth about the new product and it new technologies. Then there was another TV showing the full product and a full launch from James Dyson. With the DC24 and DC25 there has been the web info but very limited and the TV ad which has just come sout. No offical launch in the uK as far as I'm aware (other conutries yes!). All the publiciy is on the DC24 and not the DC25 or the other 2 new models DC22 and DC23. I think Dyson is pushing the DC24 (and the DC22) DC18 DC18. Yeah, I remember the dedicated web site for the DC15, I forgot about it until you mentioned it. The Ball and Slim do indeed turn well. I wonder if Dyson is going with "The Ball" for mid and lightweight vacuums only and using fewer cyclones, smaller bins with it's limited filtration. I do not think Dyson is done launching vacuums. The DC14 is on closeout at Best Buy and the DC07 is on closeout at Sears. . What do you guys think of the graphic Dyson is using on his web site and packaging when selling/showing the Ball series? The graphic showing four wheels carriage vs. ball I thought it was vague, showed little detail and hard to understand. DIB
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #285 Apr 9, 2008 6:04 pm |
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DIB I don't think the DC18 Slim turns as well as the DC15 and the new modles DC24 and DC25. This I think is due to a small ball under the machine carriage on the DC18. I think the DC07 and DC14 will disappear soon but a replacement is needed for the DC14 as that is quite a popular model in the UK! I don't think Dyson is done with launching vacs as such!! The marketing material is not as good for the new ball vacs, not as good as previous model launches. Where is the 360 degree model spin, which they don't use anymore! The info is very basic across all 4 new models and that don't push the core technoogy on the new canisters in the UK which is strange! DC18 |
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #286 Apr 9, 2008 6:09 pm |
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I have to admit, when first viewing this clip I did wonder this myself... hey, I'm a red-blooded guy with certain observational skills! Funny. My observations landed me a hot wife (IMHO). But the inclusion is subtle and it's (I think) impossible to say if it was intentional.
As a side note, I understand that Dyson no longer uses an ad agency in the traditional role for TV ads. They prepare their creative briefs in-house and work with a director to bring the results to screen. I read this too. Dyson and the ad firm parted ways only to have LG hired the agency.
What's interesting about the more recent adverts is they make a point of underplaying the brand. i.e. the previous Airblade advert, of which the main objective doesn't appear to be to create awareness of Airblade, but simply to say "Hey, I'm James Dyson - you already know my company makes... here's something else we're doing...". "aren't we the greatest? - keep buying the vacs!" Moose, truthfully I do not understand all the theories of marketing, but I wondered this too/what you say. I may add, James was just making us realize/reminding us he and his team are inventors and fix things/invent products missed by others. James is using the phrase inventor in his ads, being an "inventor" got lots and lots of press and fame for Edision, it is nothing to shy away from.
This latest 'ball' advert says "This is something that has unknowingly caused you grief in the past". "This is why.." (shows four wheeled model). "This is a ball - look it moves nicely". Then there's a blink and you'll miss it shot of a vacuum with a ball going around the corner. I felt this ball model was shown well and long enough. This James w/ ball wheel at desk, was followed up by his ball vacuum... Here is what I am going to show you (James at desk w/ball) and now here I am (woman model) now showing you again and with the real thing (the product).
It's the classic persuasive sales role. It's not telling you that you should buy the vac. It's highlighting the problem and offering you a remedy and the path to a solution which will play on the mind of people... while they're pushing their 4-wheel uprights around their house. Yes.
What's most surprising to me is that they're relaunching 'the ball' with a decent amount of publicity and it's like the first launch never happened. The DC15 at the time was the only upright in the world that could manuver as well as it did. I can change directions and whip my DC15 180 degrees very easily. Heavy and expensive although. Our house keeper struggles pushing it, you can see it in her face. These new "Ball" technologies will seperate his products from all others, in looks, function and sitting on retail shelving. Think about it, Dyson launched 2 vacuums based on one technology and is selling these 2 vacuums using 1 t.v. commercial. His well defined Dyson yellow is highlighting his newest technology (the ball). I like the idea of out manuvering a 100 yr. old reality. Even before Murry Spangler, folks were pushing/pulling sweepers in a more or less straight line. Dyson and his team invented the fix. DIB
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #287 Apr 9, 2008 6:38 pm |
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The dyson DC07 and 14 are history in the USA, IMHO. The DC15 ball maneuverabilty is a moot point if you need gorilla wrists and arms to use it. To bulky and weighty. It was BEST BUY's worse dyson seller according to persons I talked with at their stores. And other retailers dropped it quickly when it didn't sell. We know now the reason dyson kept it in its venue. Looking forward to checking out the DC 24 and 25 at BEST BUY. Carmine D.
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #288 Apr 9, 2008 6:46 pm |
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DIB I don't think the DC18 Slim turns as well as the DC15 and the new modles DC24 and DC25. This I think is due to a small ball under the machine carriage on the DC18. You are probably right. Honestly I only used a DC18 for 20 minutes or so at home. At the store I compared the turning of the 18 to the 25 and felt/saw no differences. But this was done on a hard surface, not carpeting. The so-called outside stabilizer wheels did nothing but just skid along in a straight line. The wheels are of a slippery plastic with no traction, the new ball would fix this. I think Dyson made the DC25 not only to replace the DC18 but to replace the DC15 too. Giving the DC25 a little stronger motor and some other changes would then get this light/mid vacuum to the benchmark of 220 air watts (the DC15’s and DC17’s numbers). I can envision potential consumers of past, debating over if the DC18 had enough suction, the DC25 answers this. The DC24 is his super light; the DC25 is his mid weight. Now we wait for full sized Root + Core uprights (my guess). A friend mentions that a Root + Core upright could be turned into Dyson commercial upright (used in small business, not hotels). I think the DC07 and DC14 will disappear soon but a replacement is needed for the DC14 as that is quite a popular model in the UK! I don't think Dyson is done with launching vacs as such!! The marketing material is not as good for the new ball vacs, not as good as previous model launches. Where is the 360 degree model spin, which they don't use anymore! The info is very basic across all 4 new models and that don't push the core technoogy on the new canisters in the UK which is strange! The pamphlets are of high quality here and good information too. I have seen no new pamphlets of the 24/25. DIB DC18
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #289 Apr 9, 2008 7:00 pm |
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The dyson DC07 and 14 are history in the USA, IMHO. The DC15 ball maneuverabilty is a moot point if you need gorilla wrists and arms to use it. To bulky and weighty. It was BEST BUY's worse dyson seller according to persons I talked with at their stores. And other retailers dropped it quickly when it didn't sell. We know now the reason dyson kept it in its venue. Looking forward to checking out the DC 24 and 25 at BEST BUY. Carmine D. My guess is price first and weight second were the primary reasons for lack of DC15 sales. Today, I would recommend and purchase a DC15 over the DC17. Dyson's own stats do not give the 17 greater numbers (airwatts) over the 15. I have yet to read how long until a DC17 can go before the required filter washing.- Does the 17 actually filter better? - If so, why does not Dyson advertise this? Bottom line for me, the 15 turns and can be whipped around, the 17 can't. DIB
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #290 Apr 9, 2008 7:05 pm |
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DIB I have to say the DC25 turns as good as the DC15 (with the DC15 still having the edge!), the DC18 comes no way near to the DC25 or DC24 from my observations and usage! I wouldn't say the DC25 is a replacement for the DC18 Slim, the DC15 maybe. The Slim will always be a unique in the Dyson line like the DC03 was. The slim body and wide head with a version of the ball technology gave the slim better cleaning ability compared tot he other models including the ball models. The DC18 has the same suction as the DC25 I noticed no difference here! Both have a 1200 watts motor and 220 air watts!! The only advantage over the DC18 that the DC25 has is it may be lighter and have a better brush bar!! Which I know it does! We do need a new full size Dyson which the new root and core technology. Dyson Commercial Vac about time the constant max had a successor!! The brochures of the DC24/25 are of good quality simple but effective! DC18 |
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #291 Apr 9, 2008 7:48 pm |
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Hey DC,I very much like the Slim and for many reasons, my Mom and neighbor both own Slim’s per my recommendation and they both love it. The Slim motor I thought was smaller than the new DC25 but I was wrong. The Slim here only has 200 airwatts vs. the UK, and so I thought the Slim may be replaced here by the DC25. I like the weight of the power nozzle on the Slim vs. the DC21/15, I did not look at the DC25 nozzle although. Looking at the front sides, the Slim indeed looks slender from top to bottom. I was fully expecting the DC25 handle weight to be much lighter than the Slim. I was disappointed when the handle weights felt alike. In terms of function, I see the Slim and the DC25 competing against each other. Perhaps the carrying handle height was to tall on the Slim, making it feel heavier than it was or a little to difficult for some to carry upstairs. A lower carrying handle on the DC25 could of been the fix.
Handles (grip): The DC25's handle is placed in front of body, unlike the DC18. There is more leverage to turn the vacuum with the handle in front of the body. Older DC15's have handle behind and now are handle in front. The DC15's handle weight is so that on handle back (as I call them) DC15's you hand slides up and moves toward the turning axis of rotation line, therby removing leverage. - You had to be Popeye to turn the thing. The handle forward gives better leverage and looks to be standard. The handle forward downside is that the carriage wheels are lower and more prone to scraping or getting in the way turning if the handle is to low to the ground. DIB 
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Re: Dyson DC24 / DC25 Vacs: Sir James Brings his Ball back
Reply #292 Apr 10, 2008 7:06 am |
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The Ball machines have a real problem to contend with,lets see if the inventor can figure out how to fix it? How do you stop hairs clinging to the ball mechanism? Especialy troublesom in cold climates when static electricity build up is at it's highest point.............. I thought these guys were smart and engineers.  THE DYSON MANTRA IS WERE RIGHT AND EVERYONE ELSE IS WRONG.is this not on the wall at the design school............... MOLE |
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