Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Dusty,

I do not know how long you have been reading Carmine's slander against Dyson.  I will give a little background anyway.

By his own admittance he did not make his money on vacuum sales yet he has boasted how profitable his business was.  There was more profit in selling junk and then charging for supplies, parts and repairs. 

He closed his business before Dyson came along so he did not make money of any kind on Dyson.  it is simple to do the math on where he made money.  After selling the shop he consulted.  I suspect that he gave a client bad (biased and bogus information about Dyson) and was fired.  Dyson make a monkey of him.

He has been responsible for getting at least one vac forum closed because of his Dyson bashing.  Now as back then he bashes Dyson on every post regardless of the topic.  If we talked about concrete he would bring Dyson up.  I am sure that Mr. Dyson is flattered that his products are the standard for comparison.  Carmine told us for years that Hoover would be the demise of Dyson.  That is history and he had to eat CROW.  Recently his wife introduced him to Oreck so it has become his torch to carry.  Really, a self proclaimed expert not knowing that the Oreck was superior to Hoover.   He shafted a lot of customers with the junk he sold when he should have been selling Oreck.

Carmine will tell half truths ( or less ) to try and make him self apprear intelligent.  You have probably noticed that Carmine always answers a question with several questions when he is caught in a lie. 

Some days he is calm.  That could be when he takes all his medications at the home.

HARDSELL wrote:

HS:

Thank you for a good laugh.  Boasted of profit?  Me?  In the vacuum business?  I was thrilled to eek out a living for myself and family.  

Like I said before when the money mavens here boast of their dyson profits, I was in the vacuum business at the wrong time 1949-1992.  The sign in my store read:  We collect Federal, state and local taxes, and do a little business on the side.  It was that too.  A little business.  If that's boasting of business profit, you give the words a whole new meaning.   Certainly would not be the Standard Webster's Collegiate.

The advantage I had over many others, including you HS, is that I was my own boss.  For that dear privilege I gave up the promise of more money and perks of a cushy corporate job for 40 plus years.  When my store was closed there was no business done.  When there was no business being done, there was no money coming in.  No money.  No pay.  No such thing as days off with pay.  There was no paid vacation.  No sick days with pay.  No time off.  No paid holidays.  No 401 K.  No stock plan and options.  No employer paid health benefits.  Not for me.  Not in the vacuum business. 

Carmine D. 

Now you quote the testing process and appear to have had an epiphany!

I only quoted due to the fact that YOU claimed the reason Dyson was accredited was due to a users manual.  I asked you if this was fact or your opinion.  You have refused to answer and decided to ramble on about the same things you've gone over in many previous posts.  It was a simple question, I don't know what the big deal is.  If you ask something of me, I answer it.  I ask something of you, I get a song and dance.

I'll ask you again.  Were you speaking from fact or was it your own opinion?  If it was the latter you should really say as such.

Isn't it a well known fact that dyson paid to have the testing and cert?  Isn't it also a well known fact that you question the objectivity of any cert/approval granted by an organization that accepts a fee for the service?  Then, based on these factual statements, you can't accept the dyson approval and not the CRI approval?

I do not not for a fact that any of the companies pay to have product tested.  I do know that one requires membership, the other may (and I'm not sure because I haven't seen the requirements) require machines to be submitted. That is what I know.  I still stand by that if money is being put forth by companies wanting tests done that there is always the possibility of money talking for higher ratings.

I have answered your questions.  It wasn't hard.  Perhaps now you could answer mine.  I'll help you if you like...the answer is either Yes, it was fact or No, it was just my opinion at the time.  Gotta love multiple choice, makes things so much easier when you simplify things down.


Dusty

Hi Hardsell,

Thanks for the Carmine update.  I've caught bits and pieces of his rants in many of the forum posts so I had a feeling what I'd be getting into if I so much as mentioned I liked the Dyson product.  To each their own I say.  I have nothing against Carmen, I don't know the man and can hardly make any kind of judgement based on what I read here.  He may feel differently about me but that's his thing. If nothing else, he's a good sparring partner even if he does repeat himself frequently :-)

Cheers,

Dusty

CarmineD wrote:

You really were not your own boss.  The public was your boss.  If you had been qualified (intelligent enough ) to work for a corporation you would know that all those jobs aren't cushy.  By owning your business your income was limited only to your ability to increase it.  I worked several years with no raise and actually worked harder those years.  You need to understand that corporate has difficult times the same as independents.  You had the same opportunity to invest as anyone with a 401K.

If you could not afford health insurance,  investments or an employee to fill in during your absences you are the dummy that I think you are.  You chose your occupation.

Why do you and others complain about imported goods.  After all everyone can become self employed if all corporations go abroad.  At least that is your thinking since you do not feel that corporations are necessary.

CarmineD wrote:
I was (still am) in the business thru the eighties and I can tell you that the business we ran then is nothing like what we run now.  At the time we ran with probably 90% rebuilt product and the rest in new...usually Eureka or Hoover.  The reason?  There was no money in new product.  Times have changed, our store is now mainly new product thanks to dealer exclusive lines that simply didn't exist way back when.  With this type of product we can now afford to bring in the low end machines we make $15 on because they are subsidised by our premium machines.  Used vacs, in a world of $59 Wal-Mart specials are pretty much a thing of the past.  You weren't in business at the wrong time, just a different time.

Dusty

Hello Dusty:

You can run your vacuum business and use professional certs any way you wish when you wish.  You can sell what you like at the prices you like to your customers.  You don't have to justify your reasons to anyone except yourself.   Nice thing about being your own boss. 

If you don't know the answer to your question to me, then you are not as smart as I thought you are.  And to be in business for yourself, you certainly have to be smart.  So I'm sure you know the answer.  Which is all that really matters, right?

Good Luck

Carmine D.

To HS et al:

What do you think of dyson USA selling the DC16 at $100 off with the purchase of any new dyson?  Surprised?  I opine that big box retailers, who carry the DC16, will do the same and maybe even offer the DC16 as a free giveaway.  Very soon.  They don't want to have them on the shelves unsold during the 2008 Holiday sales season.  Both full size and hand held dysons. 

I'm hearing rumblings that several big dyson retailers here in LV and their store chains around the country are looking to cull the dysons completely from their store shelves.  Why?  Not selling.  Just keep dysons for on-line sales until sold out.  Then, see what happens next with the economy.  Some of these stores have even stopped advertising the dyson vacuums.  Resorted to price mark downs on dysons in the stores to sell out.

You're a corporate guy HS [top/upper management?] with vast knowledge and experience.  Maybe you have the answer to this question that I posed earlier.  Why can't dyson increase the run time of its hand held vacuum in over 2 years above 5 minutes.  But dyson can work on a new green car that runs on batteries?  Sounds like a huge waste of time and money for the company and its 450 engineers and 12 designers.  Scattering their resources on an uncertain future product that may or may not pan out.   Based on their own 2 year plus track record on the DC16, dyson can't even improve their existing little simple hand held vacuum.  What's make it think it can build a battery operated car?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

For as long as I can remember Oreck has had to offer free gifts to sell their $50 vacuums for a premium price.  Why is it so terrible for Dyson tho offer a discount or freebie?  Dyson is not the only vacuum to be discounted in stores.  Why is it you never mention that? 

We have heard rumblings from you for years that BB was pulling Dyson off the shelves.  Ain't happened. You told us that they were being pulled from end caps.  Didn't happen. You told us that Hoover would overcome Dyson.  It seemed as if they introduced a new product every 30 days or so and never pulled the old junk out of production.  According to you each new model would be the demise of Dyson.  Didn't happen.  Hoover had to sell.  Dyson is not on the market. 

I am not an engineer so I will not attempt to solve the battery issue.  The opportunity is there for all, corporate or not.  None has responded. If you were as intelligent as you pose to be you would develop that battery.  You could easily make up for all those poor earnings you experienced in you shop.  It does seem more logical to increase battery run time in an auto than in a vacuum.  At least Dyson with all it's employees is supporting families rather than just the family who owns the business like Oreck.

Why hasn't Oreck improved their vac in the past 45 years?  Belts last only a few weeks and even deteriorate while sitting in the closet.  What if belts on autos were of such inferior quality.  Why can't they add a hose to their upright rather than requiring a hand held that has low suction, extra bags, extra labor to pull out for use and extra storeage. Why can't Ol Dave just offer a lower price and keep his freebies?  No, wait, we both know the freebies are what sells Oreck.  If you can't do better thereis no need to criticize the competition.

I think I will sit on my Carmine for a while.

HARDSELL:

This thread is about dyson not HOOVER and ORECK.  Keep the three separate. 

Back to the subject of the thread.  Dyson is not taking a $100 off its DC16 because they are selling well.  Quite the opposite.  The only thing they do well is get returned to the stores when the buyers/users realize that the run time is 5 minutes.  I'm not surprised dyson added the run time to its Web Site, although in the past it was not mentioned.  Pressure by the retailers who were getting these DC16-s back in high numbers, no doubt.

If dyson can't solve the battery run time on a simple hand held vacuum and resorts to discounting them and eventually giving away,  I have no confidence that dyson can design and produce a car that can run on batteries.  None.  But the news stories, if you can call them news, more like hype, give credence to having 450 engineers and 12 designers.  Until you realize they are not gainfully employed and under utilized for improving current dyson products let alone working on new and uncertain future ones.  Completely unrelated to vacuums. 

Now settle down and relax.  Have a cup of joe and chill. 

Carmine D.