Dyson has a new UK TV advert on Testing, same one that was shown at the Grand Design Event in the UK.  This is also backup by removing the DC16 Animal off the Dyson UK Home Web page and replacing it with different parts each time from testing video/advert - www.dyson.co.uk.  There is also a new website that is shown at the end of the TV advert www.dyson.co.uk/testing.  This gives you more details of the type of testing they do and to what extent!

I was told at the event that Dyson files 200 patents a day!!  Sounds alot but with all the projects and continual improvements they are working on probably is average for them!

DC18

Dyson in China.  Story here.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Who authored this story?  I don't see a name/person associated with it.  And I don't see it credited to a worldwide news service like AP. 

Carmine D. 

My sense is this article is comparable to a paid for TV infomercial but in newsprint format.  Dyson is excellent at these innovative advertising techniques and methods.  Almost looks authentic rather than a dyson originated, sponsored, and paid for advertisement.  Thank you for sharing.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Agree.. Although I'd doubt that it's paid for - it looks like someone has published a press release word for word. It's fair from an interesting read.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK

But is it true?  I would suggest that a press release usually credits the news source/service to avoid allegations of plagiarism and fault in the event of misrepresentations of facts and events.  This does not.  Looks like a paid advertisement to me.

Interesting reads do not necessarily equate with truth and facts.  There is a distinction between news [facts/truth] and product advertising.  In this particular case, I would ask to see the underlying details for some of the grandiose statements made in the guise of news [read facts/truth of interest to most readers].  This is boastful dyson advertising, spin and sales puffing.  Not truth and facts relevant to newsworthy events.  As such, it is in the fairest sense of the word "advertising" and not news reporting.  This is not the latter by any stretch of the imagination.  It is the former [advertising] sprinkled with some dyson/China news.  My view.  Who cares?  If it were an advertisment, I'd skip over it. 

Again, kudos to dyson for giving the 'appearance' of news for its product advertising.  Most readers especially those who cotton to everything dyson will quote these advertising claims as the gospel in one breadth and impugn and slander Consumer Reports in the other.  It's the gospel [good news], but the gospel according to jaydee.  Is that good news?  Maybe for jaydee fans.  Not me.  I want facts.  Not puffing.

Some like me would maintain and with good cause that advertising under a veil of news reporting is on par and/or worse than product 'bashing.'  Why?  It is deceptive, false, misleading and disingenuous.  [The latter--bashing--is not  the same as a factual and objective checklist of comparative features and specifications among two or more products [same brand and/or competitor brands] to present customers with facts and information for their product purchases.  "Bashing' in the dictionary sense of the word.  Compare the dictionary definitions of news, facts, and truth with that of advertising, spin, claims and buffing.  The differences are easy to understand and self-explanatory.  Never the twain shall meet.  Except in dyson ads.

Carmine D.   

I just think it appears that Dyson's PR have issued a press release indicating that they're planning to launch in China soon. This had been picked up by a reporter for this 'Sina' web site, who have seemingly published it almost word for word. I used to work for a news gathering agency - we collected two pieces of information for each news item 1-Content (i.e. the press release) 2-The analysis. We'd then categorise it so that our subscribers could find it. Imagine if (say) a TV magazine just published page after page of press releases from the networks... boring!

M00seUK wrote:

M00seUK:

We have a wonderful saying here in the US and I like it:  Just the facts, please.  IMHO keep the fluff.  But China being what it is, dyson has the perfect [read no regard for standards] venue for pushing the advertising envelope as newsworthy events and facts.

Carmine D.

Just 1 question for the innovative company,and their top shelf management,

It seems to me that no one really wants to work for them,please feel free to look at jobs they offer on their u.s.a website[under job opportuities at dyson].

What they offer are slave labor rates.

And you dont have to know anything about the business,because anyone that knows the business knows what a overpromised and underdeliver to the consumer they are.

MOLE

mole wrote:
Mole,
Dyson continues to grow at a very quick pace.  New positions are added all the time in order to keep up with this growth.  More SKU's and accounts mean more labor is needed in the field and at the corporate office. 

BTW, look at all the open positions for Apple, Google or any other popular company........does this mean no one wants to work for them?

Airblade wrote:

I'll share my personal experiences with the open positions for employees at many of the Casinos/Hotels in Las Vegas.  The mainstay of employment in LV aside from construction and retail positions is gambling and the support services: Such as waitresses, bartenders [which I am certified to be here in LV] card dealers, cooks, servers, cleaning staff, and so on.  The open positions that are advertised are rarely if ever filled by applicants who submit their resumes.  They are filled from within by persons already on board and looking for career advancement, and/or WORD OF MOUTH recommendations by current employees for friends, relatives, and family members. 

I have met a number of dyson reps who are housewives who used dysons [women are probably the major target market for dyson vacuums].  And they petitioned dyson as a satisfied customer and user of dyson products for employment and were hired. 

I know that the majority of the line workers at the dyson Malaysia plant who produce the dyson products are contractors and subcontractors of dyson and not dyson employees.  Why?  Cheaper to hire and fire.  Best and lowest bidder gets the work.

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

Airblade,

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The little bit I’ve read at Dyson and Monster, Dyson looks good and dare I say fun, nice benefits too.  The part-timer starts out at $15 per hr.  Not bad.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

That's more than a substitute teacher makes an hour in Las Vegas!  And probably most areas around the country. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

The last one I met [dyson rep] at a SEARS store here in Las Vegas about 6 months ago was such a dyson rep.  No previous vacuum experience except as a housewife.  She has been replaced since by another woman.  One of the biggest complaints that the store staff had with her was the need to teach her about the current competition and the inherent dyson products' shortcomings.  Apparently, I'm told, she got neither during her dyson training as a dyson product rep. 

Carmine D. 

• Perhaps James Dyson biggest contribution…  his school (is ok'ed).  Here
• The DC24 “Motorhead” coming to Japan and a hinting - "In addition to vacuum cleaners, Dyson said he plans to introduce a new electrical appliance in Japan but declined to elaborate...  Here
• Dyson has a DC24 flash movie that's new on the front page of his Japanese site.  Here

BBC news has video on The Dyson school of Design Innovation.  Click video dated:  Jan 17, 1008 

Dyson on t.v. late tonight/early tomorrow morning.  A silly show called “Big” where everyday items are made very large.  This show on the Discovery Channel HD (a rerun) is about making a DC07 (world record) Big.  Dyson sent an engineer named Simeon Jupp to aid a group of builders.  Simeon was one of the few who worked with James in his back yard in the early days and before his success.  Simeon like James comes off as a nice guy unlike what the “Angry and/or Jealous of Dyson Zealots” posters here may believe.        DIB

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http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=66.12344.24739.4083.x

WOW... 19 feet 5 inches tall... Now that's one BiG Dyson....

Acerone wrote:

About the size and color of big bird without the feathers.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Big Bird, like Dyson is very popular.  Thanks for the compliment pops.

Some background information on Dyson's design / development / manufacturing strategies :-

Published:2006
http://www.growingbusiness.co.uk/06959143454590042288/dyson-martin-mccourt.html

Published: 2004
http://www.growingbusiness.co.uk/06959143454587923447/james-dyson.html

Both good articles, lots of stuff that I'd not read anywhere else.

Moose,

Thanks for posting.  I just read the 2006 article and was happy to see Dyson had place 500 of the 600 manufacturing jobs after his plant closure.  Dyson received much bad press for the 600 job losses.  It seems the team responsible for making clear what actually happened, i.e., 100 jobs lost and not the much reported 600 is the same team responsible for announcing Dyson’s newest breakthrough technologies  Root + Core = Seven years of no suction loss (per the Dyson Japan launch event)/no maintence, no pre-motor filter cleaning.        DIB

 

James recently made an audio podcast for TimesOnline.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/related_reports/business_ideas/

The Telegraph is spotlighting the 1,000 most powerful in British business (Dyson ranked 9th).

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Uk guys:  Ranked 20th - Peter Jones was a judge here in the US on the t.v. show American Inventor.  He came off as real nice guy, fair but tuff when needed.  It was good to see a super wealthy and successful man treat the small guys/contestants the way he did.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Pah! Peter Jones? He rose to fame over here a few years ago on the TV programme Dragon's Den (Similar format to American Inventor). I thought he was okay to start with, but don't think that highly of him now... he appears to be a bit too ruthless and egotistical.

I too, thought Peter Jones was okay in early series of Dragon's Den. Ultimately, he became an arrogant arse.

To bad, the guy I saw a year or two ago came off as sincere and wanting to help the contestants/inventors.        DIB

Heres some dyson news of my own,my largest selling replacement part in my warehouse is DYSONS dc07/14 hose assembly ,about 35 to 40 a week,

Thanks Sir James,for building a product with the quality of  a MATTEL toy,

Would any dyson followers care to see my customer reviews,

P.S. motorhead/tom, YOU GOT OUT AT THE RIGHT TIME.............

regards
 MOLE

Mole:

Interestingly, this was a flaw frequently reported by Which? but so far has escaped Consumer Reports.  The latter could be due to the relative short period of time for dyson repairs [6 years].  Tho I suspect the August 15 2006 dyson warranty extension to 5 years will satisfy dyson buyers on the hose problem [assuming they find a authorized dealer to service under warranty/don't mind returing to dyson for replacement].  What is the hose price over the counter?  $50-$60?

Carmine D.

mole wrote:

How did you make a living before Dyson?

Why not tell us how many other brands you work on.  Better yet, I bet you tell the customer that the cost of repair exceeds the value of the vacuum.  You then sell them a brand a new vac,

HARDSELL wrote:

Hi H.S., nice for you to chime in, We are not a one or two line sales and service centers,we can repair and find parts for almost any cleaner out there.From a belt for a dirt devil 103 hand vac to a control module for a nutone cv 850 twin motor central vacuum system.We do O.K., we have never told a customer that their unit is not worth fixing unless it's been run over or in a fire.I got news for you the repair aspect of the business is where we really excel,were not your standard issue vacuum shop.We dont have to cheat or lie just to make a living,I can even been seen in public in the daytime and not have people give me DIRTY looks...........

MOLE

Hi Carmine the dyson hoses sell for 29.95,we buy in bulk.........

mole wrote:

Hello Mole:

Cheap for a $500 vacuum.  Do you have customers asking for dyson vacuums by name?  If so, what do you do tell them when they ask.

I mentioned my experience above with retailers and dyson buyers.  I should also say that more and more retailers tell me they encounter vacuum customers who refuse to buy any dyson vacuum for a variety of reasons.  These have increased, as you might expect, as the dyson name and brand become more pervasive.  I believe this phenomenon has taken hold in the UK where dyson buyers are waning year over year.  Of course, dyson's strategy is to open up new markets in new countries.  Very different from HOOVER which made the US [not the UK and Canada] its main vacuum market for generations and still. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

What I’ve come to understand of people… money or the lack of it, is the main reason why Dyson vacuums or other premium price products get dismissed by consumers.  Ask a person without the ability to comfortably pay for a high price but desired product and you’ll find many reasoning’s versus the core reason…  it is hard to say out loud and to a stranger (sales person) – “I cannot afford it.”  Have a free upright give-away-day here in the U.S. by the major retailers and folks will mostly line up for the most innovative - the Dyson upright line.        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

Is that why Hoover folded?

mole wrote:

Strange that you only bad mouth Dyson when all brands require repairs.  If I made good money repairing Dyson the last thing that I would do is bite the hand that feeds me.  Of course I would also be upset if Dyson sold so many vacs that it reduced the sale of vacs I had previously made money repairing and I did not get enough Dyson repairs to make up the losses.

HARDSELL wrote:

Folded?  Wishful thinking.  Legends never fold.  They get bought.  HOOVER is a vacuum brand legend.  If I recall Consumer Reports, March 2008, I believe the wording it used is ..........HOOVER.......the most popular selling vacuum on the market. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

If you do not succeed you fail.  Hoover's philosophy of U.S. sales failed.  If you are lucky you get bought as did Hoover.  Ask all the former employees if they can buy groceries on legends.

I know yu understand but do not want to admit it.

HARDSELL wrote:

My heart goes out to the HOOVER employees.  I thank them for their dedicated work despite a awful parent company and management [Maytag] which never served the vacuum industry and HOOVER very well.

HOOVER vacuums are the most popular selling vacuum brand.  HOOVER has been the leading vacuum seller [in units] since 1978.  Unit sales is IMHO the best measure of brand success.  Despite the Maytag debacle and all the other vacuum competition over the years and still, the HOOVER brand lives on.  A lasting testament to HOOVER employees.  That's success in my view.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
According to what source?

Matt:

Consumer Reports March 2008.  The  words CR used are: "it's [HOOVER] still a best seller." 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Not a market share research company...............

According to NPD (which is), Bissel, Dirt Devil, and Eureka all sell more units than Hoover..............when I get the most up to date report I will give you numbers.

Airblade wrote:

Please do.  Are these brand sales counted Individually/collectively vice HOOVER?

My sense is the annual new sales of vacuums among these 4 brands are very close from year to year.  I suspect if you include all HOOVER floorcare products [like rug cleaners, and floor washers] HOOVER leaves the 3 brands [BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL, and EUREKA] way behind.  These brands have their counterparts to HOOVER in these floorcare products also.

Since TTA now owns both the DIrt Devil and HOOVER brands..............who should we now conclude is the company with the largest market share dollars and units of new vacuums/floorcare products sold every year in the USA?

Carmine D.

4 hours of - Dyson Innovations 2nd Anniversary on HSN this Sunday.  5/4/08     

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Hoover, "largest market share dollars and units..."  Q:  What's your point?        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Thanks for the link.....

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

More correctly TTI, which owns both the HOOVER and Dirt Devil/Royal companies [the oldest US vacuum brands], is the largest maker and seller of vacuums in the USA [both by sku's/dollar sales volume].  The point [my point if you please] is what it is. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

I can't fathom spending 4 hours on a Sunday [or any day for that matter] viewing dyson products.  Maybe 30-40 minutes tops.  And then I'm ready for a drink [a double].

I couldn't open the link, but I'm guessing Mr. Dyson [perhaps even in person] will attempt to promote the Airblade to American households.  Hoping to jump start 2 years of languishing sales on what has to be a big ticket R&D dyson item.  Maybe satisfied users of dyson vacuums will spring for $1400 to upgrade their bathroom/home fixtures?  Just a gut feeling based on the overly lengthy HSN show time. 4 HOURS!  Oh the pain and suffering.

I'm still sticking with my original prediction: Dyson will look to sell off the Airblade to a company more suited to market and sell the product.  Any thoughts?  Matt [mmc] Airblade?  You're the expert.  What do you know and care to share?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hey Carmine,

Maybe a drink and a smoke after the orgasmic Dyson experience [launch]? 

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A $1400 or so, commercial Airblade for homes?   James has said he does not know if the Airblade will be money maker (or something like this) and said something like...  hopefully we would have had a good time in the process. 

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James is the face for his brand for sure.  Dyson (the man) co-hosting on a shopping channel is probably not the best use of his likeness and time although he would probably enjoy himself if he did.

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3 – 1 hr. shows/showings on Sunday not 4 showings as HSN had scheduled on the program guides last night.  The hyperlink works on my computer.

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HSN Program guide > http://www.hsn.com/program-guide_xh.aspx

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DIB

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Ace,

Your welcome.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Just a drink: Mr. Daniels, please.   Pass on the smoke.  

After 40 plus years in the vacuum business, there is nothing orgasmic about the vacuum industry, save the cute "hotties" back in day when we old timers did "free pick up and delivery" on vacuum repairs.  Oh...the good ole days.

Carmine D.

Good answer.  I might go as far as getting a Starbucks.      DIB

CarmineD wrote:
No way no how will that happen.  As far as Airblade being talked about on Sunday on HSN...........haven't heard about it, but I would love to see it.

By the way, Airblade started being sold in the UK in October of 2006 and summer of 2007 for the U.S.  Not 2 years for either one.

Airblade wrote:

Hello Matt:

I seems from my memory, which is not always good, that the UK Airblade went to market in late summer 2006 in UK.  This is May 2008.  Close enough to 2 years for my feeble mind.  I could be wrong. 

As of the Fortune magazine article, March 2008, 100,000 dyson A/B-s were sold.  Pretty sorry sales showing for such a long time on the market. 

When you first mentioned that dyson moved you from vacuums over to the dyson A/B-s, my thought was that they didn't like you very much.  From the clothes/coats closet to the wash closet. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Nope, October of 2006...........

LOL - I think they like me just fine..........and it was partly my decision as well.

Airblade wrote:

What were you thinking?  Or should I say: Drinking?

Carmine D.

Are we going to have all out war discussing the merits of unit numbers of the AirBlade product line as well?

As I see it, the Airblade isn't meant as a mass market item - it's a premium, item designed and priced to make as much money as it can to recoup the investment for both the digital motor and the Airblade unit they wrap around it. It is also to try to show people that Dyson isn't just a one trick pony.

Fact is, some people will spend stupid money on home fittings these days... I've seen faucets for 2,000 USD!

If I was planning a build, with say 30,000 USD to spend on fixtures and fittings, I'd certainly spec an Airblade.

This event is taking place in a few days, just down the road from my office here in London :-

http://www.granddesignslive.com

Dyson are exibiting and as I'll be going along to see a friend's company who will also have a stand, I might check out the Dyson set up as well.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Go take a cold shower.  Those Las Vegas cuties seem to be making you horny.

HARDSELL wrote:

You have it backwards.  The LV hotties say that about me [I make them frisky]. 

Carmine D.

HSN’s DC24 launch looks to be this Sunday.   http://home-solutions.hsn.com/dyson_c-hw_a-2699_xc.aspx?prev=hp&ocm=sekw

 

UK guys:  This broadcast steams live and then (typically) the video is archived for later viewing.        DIB

DIB:

In the last 2 weeks, I've received 4 emails to obtain a free DC25 with minor user stipulations.  I deleted them all.  Every one. 

I can't get use to that hideous looking stupid yellow ball wheel.  It is larger than the DC24 [the ball].  It's the size of a bowling ball!  In my opinion a complete and utter waste.  Like an appendix only much much larger.

I will probably tune in for some of the HSN launch just to see the HSN reactions [as I did with the Dirt Devil Kruz for $99 which BTW I bought and will gift away soon].   

Sorry for the brutal honesty.  I can't see what you/others see and Mr. Dyson is thinking with these things [I hestitate to call them vacuums for concern of insulting the integrity of the industry].  The industry needs a governing body to approve the launch of new vacuums to uphold the century old standards.  If there were one, these monstrousities would never have seen the light of a US home.

If Mr. Dyson is pinning his vacuum legacy on these, I hope he has very thick skin.  I think these things are destined to be the laughing stock of the industry.  Give me a HOOVER Z any day.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

Well you just described the “perfect storm”.  Inventing in an antiquated industry (vacuum innovation as a whole) is much better than inventing in a highly innovative and motivative industry.  Dyson’s success can be compared to “taking candy away from a baby”.  Nobody out-invents this guy.  And no single person has profited more from innovative and patentable vacuum cleaners.  The DC24 and DC25 were most likely brought to market primarily based on the highly desired DC18's [success?] and after the toy-sized Japanese DC12 hugely profitable success.  Do the math, the $800 USD DC12 only sold in Japan and added 32% to the Dyson bottom line.  The $400 USD toy-sized DC24 can potentially go into many of James’ 45 markets/countries.  Make no mistake, the DC24 is going to sell huge, due to its size, weight and manuverability.  Maybe James should name his new $25m school… “The school the DC24 built”.       DIB

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DC12 story > http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/markets/japan/article1083197.ece

DIB, thanks for the information.  Will try to tune in this Sunday and at least catch a bit of it.

mole wrote:

Nope, still here.  Just observing more, not really anything worth posting about with the exception of Dyson and related news.  Maybe when there's more activity I'll be inclined to participate more often.  Nothing exciting yet as of now.

CarmineD wrote:
I can't believe anyone could possibly be so blind, but wonders never cease.  Hoover as it was known 20-some-odd years ago is, for all intents and purposes, dead.   I have to admit, though, you are quite brave; I think if you said this in front of any ex-Hoover employees (who were suddenly laid off, and some who did not even receive the mediocre severance packages offered) you would likely be drawn and quartered on the spot.  The only reason that TTI did not drop the Hoover name is that out of all of the brands they swallowed up, it happens to be the most popular out of those brands.  That is completely different from being the most popular big-box machine, Dyson holds that distinction as you very well know

Now what we *can* say is that hopefully TTI will make Hoover a good name again, it does look very promising though only time will tell.  That is one of the few things I agree with you on.  In fact I'll go out on a limb to say the Mach series or Nano Lite is more of a Hoover than the horrid WindTunnel design.  Whether or not you want to believe it, the last of the pre-TTI Hoovers were (and are) complete $#%*; dated and uncompetitive.  It's no surprise Hoover went to China because of this, and I predict that TTI will not be producing these machines for much longer.

CarmineD wrote:
 

-MH

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

For being succesful/highly desired [with a question mark] Kohl's is advertising the DC18 for $399 and soon to be discontinued.  Well below dyson MAP for this model which has an MSRP of $469.

Most other big box retailers dropped the DC18/lowered the prices long ago. 

Why would dyson scrub a 2 year old model [DC18] which is supposedly its most fave sku?  Claiming that the DC24/25 are new and improved versions of the DC18.  And not knowing whether or not the DC24/25 will sell as well as supposedly the DC18 has sold?  Doesn't compute in this old vacuum man's head. 

Now ....that's the makings of a perfect storm.

Carmine D

Carmine:  Heck, I can do better than that, check it out…  BestVacuum.com -  DC18 $365, w/free ship, no tax.  I bought there before, polite owner/partner and fast shipping.

 

A little detective work/reasoning...  Dyson did not replace the heavy $600 plus DC15 with another expensive and heavy version, but instead replaced the mid-weight 1-2ish year old DC18 with a new updated and stronger vacuum that can be advertised with full-sized like power, the DC25.  Dyson has carved out a mid-weight/maneuverable segment all to himself and now is carving out yet another entirely new segment to himself… the lightweight/maneuverable/toss around and small to store away segment - the “mini” segment, the DC24.  The DC24 sits alone with ZERO competitors at all/most Big Box stores, in terms of size, weight, store away, and maneuverability.  I give the guy much credit for manufacturing products that others can’t see or dismiss.  It takes $#%* and Dyson's got em...  Dyson Ball vacuums.

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Motorhead:  You’re welcome.

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Dyson “love” often reminds me of Apple Inc. “love”.

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DIB

DIB:

When COSTCO sold out of the DC18 months ago, they were priced on clearance for $300 each.  I never cared for the DC18 because of it's tipsy tilty top and small bottom.  The worse of all the dysons per CR ratings save the one you mentioned the DC15 ball. 

BTW, got another email for a free DC25.  5 now in 2 weeks and counting.  And it's not not launched yet on HSN.  Gotta love it! 

Up to now, the DC15 is IMHO the worse of the worse of all the dyson vacuums save the very short-lived canister DC11.  Have to see what bodes for the latest and greatest of the dysons the DC24/25.  

Everytime I scroll down this thread and see that pic of the DC25 with the hideous bowling ball sized wheel I cringe and have to close my eyes.  Not to mention getting the pics of the DC25 in my email box every few days.  Oh the pain and agony.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

I had to do a double take on the last part.  I initially read it as "a one trick phony."   And I thought perhaps we were finally in mutual agreement.  Until I reread.

I don't believe he's done one good trick, let alone branch out to others. 

BTW, what's the dyson market share [for vacuums] in the UK lately?  Increasing/decreasing?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm afraid I can't offer any insight in to Dyson market share figures or recent trends. To do this, I'd need to either work for a retailer or know someone who does.

M00seUK wrote:

Hello M00seUK:

No need to apologize.  I was making a point.  I don't know the exact market share figures either for dyson in the UK.  I know this:  Since 2004 the dyson market share has gone down in the UK.  Whether you use sku's or dollars and any other measurement.  Reports vary.  From a high of 46 percent in 2004 to as low now as 25 percent of the households in the UK buy/use dysons.  That's a big difference.  Agree?   

Mr. Dyson knows the numbers very well, I'm sure.  If they were good and trending upward/even stable year over year, everyone who reads and posts on this Forum would be able to quote them chapter and verse.  Especially from this thread.  You're in the UK, and you have no idea.   Why?  Now I'll  apologize to you in advance for saying: "Not for the reason you state."

Did I make my point? 

Carmine D.

I would say its about run its course,the inventor has had his 15 minuets of fame in the states. I find it very amusing watching these guys gasp for air,but i quess that what happens to companies that are run by personal that no nothing about the vacuum industry. I just might sell these vacuums to people i dont like.

Please stop trying to pass this thing off as a premium quality cleaner,the only thing premium about it is the price, what a piece of plastic junk............

THE GIG IS UP.............

MOLE

Carmine, to put it another way, if I *did* work for a retailer, I would be able to answer your questions with statements such as:-

1) We sell lots of Dyson vacuums every week, it's by far our number one seller by unit / value.

2) We used to sell a lot of Dysons, but these day's more people are buying x brand in large quantities

3) When suggesting Dyson as an option, people often say to me "I'm not buying that make because of x"

What I can mention, is that I was looking after someone's house the other week. Under the stairs was a recently purchased Dyson canister - so based on that sample, so some folks certainly are still buying them.

People still negatively associate Dyson with moving UK jobs to the far east. If the 'D' word comes up in conversation, it almost always leads to this fact. This is the result of a mixture of ignorance to the situation and a printed media who take immense delight in building people up, only to knock them down again. The irony is, if Dyson had simply developed his technology in the UK and built it overseas from the outset, no one would have said a word against him.

But despite the bad publicity, people are still buying Dyson. Almost everyone is aware of the brand and its values, which mean that like Apple, Dyson only ever has to do the occasional print / media adverts to highlight their latest lines. The simple fact is that there's very little choice at the high end for any brand to complete with the Dyson's features. The vast majority of sales are from out of town retail parks and it would appear that Dyson pays handsomely to be prominently displayed at these locations or is rewarding the retailer with high margins / constant unit sales.

Dyson is a purchase that most people who have the disposable income, are prepared to aspire to. Take me, as an example. If I had to go out tomorrow and buy a new vacuum, it wouldn't be a Dyson. In my personal situation, I'm busy building my business, so right now drawing as little as possible - 300 GBP vacuum cleaners don't get a look in. I'll get a 30 GBP canister and although I'll detest using it, it will do the job to a certain degree. But as soon as I can budget for it, I will take great delight in investing in a Dyson - no question... unless someone else is going to offer me something better (which they can't at the moment).

Objectively (trying to get in to the mind of the consumer), if someone has 200 GBP spare for the entry level Dyson upright / canister, doesn't have a preference for a bagged cleaner and wants a bagless without the useless filters that need maintaining all that time, it's tough to discover an option that isn't Dyson. I've been waiting since the first patents expired in around 2000 for this situation to change, but it hasn't developed yet.

Objectively, I see Dyson as a healthy business for the moment. They've added The Ball, they've got this digital motor, they've simplified the DC15 into the DC25, they've introduced a lightweight, they've reintroduced a powerhead, they've upped the ante with Level3 cyclone, new colour schemes (already being copied by others) and branched out in to the washroom with AirBlade. They appear to be investing large sums in to R&D, they don't have institutionalised shareholders to keep happy - creaming off the profits in the process. Of the dividends that the Dyson family is taking, a large proportion is earmarked for the Dyson School, to provide a long term solution in helping them to nurture new talent and generating a bit of PR.

mole wrote:

Thats enought Haterade for you!

M00seUK:

If I recall, Mr. Dyson withdrew $289 Million US from the company in a last minute Board meeting on the eve of March 31, 2008.   Put the company in debt.  What part of that amount is earmarked for the new school? 

Engineers make terrible business people.  Inventors even worse.  I've known two good ones:  Henry Ford and Thomas Alva Edison.  Mr. Dyson is neither one, sorry to say.  Just think, he hand selected and approved his Board of Directors too. 

Carmine D.

 CarmineD wrote:

Surprisingly enough, I don't know the status on expenditure for the Dyson school - but he's certainly withdrawn a tidy sum over the years. There's only so much a man of a certain age can buy. Perhaps he's investing it in other design areas? Just speculating (which is all we can do for now)

Engineers make terrible business people - I'm in full agreement of that statement. I've been working with an inventor-type person. He's a great inventor, but I'm far from convinced he's a good business person (which is what he's trying to be). My father is an engineer - again his detailed knowledge and the tasks he can turn his hand to are amazing, but I can't think of anyone further from the business person category. I also work with a software engineer, great talent - but also nowhere near being a business person.

As for myself, I do consider myself a business person, but I'm creativity-led. So I'd never, for example, serve of the board of company just because - it would have to appeal to me in some way first. So, to say with my own business, I'm confident of being able to run it up to a certain level, but if it was to get beyond a certain size, I'd be more than willing to let someone take charge of the day-to-day, because it would bore me and conseqently, I wouldn't be the best person for the position.

So, getting back on topic. As I understand it, day-to-day running at Dyson is handled by CEO Martin McCourt, with James Dyson in the chairman role, as the public figurehead and ultimately getting final say on the direction of the company, when he's not looking over people's shouders in the R&D department.

Heres another great idea,with any retailer that still is solvent, you can always get cash cod sales tell them this is all its worth and if you dont want to sell me then why dont you go find someone that has the money,and you pay the freight,if the dealers start  thinking this way believe me they will cave in to you,just make sure you have the CAKE to back you up,

Start showing them the money and believe me they will start talking,they are starving and do some strange things just to make the payroll.

DONT FORGET TO BUY THE REPACKS AND RETURNS,THE WAREHOUSES ARE FULL WITH THEM........

  MOLE

mole wrote:

You lose credibility by nit picking.  Most vacuums have been predominantly plastic for years.  Metal does not vacuum any better.  If you want to talk about cheap built please tell us about Oreck.

Don't hold back.  Be honest with your feelings about Dyson.  It give us lots of humor.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

The DC25 looks to be on HSN too.

DIB:

You're killing me here! [with the pics]!  Can you at least add a nice 'hottie' demo-ing the ball thing!  Make it a little more pleasing to the senses!

M00seUK:

Thanks for the personal insights.  Hope all is going well with you in the new business and your Dad/invention. 

Carmine D.

 

Carmine, Here is a Fox News personality enjoying herself with James.  The ol' boy does ok with the gals.       DIB

DIB:

Thank you.  Very nice.  Laughing, long legs.  Blond.  Shapely.  Now scrolling down the thread I have something to look forward to.  Much nicer to look at this lovely creature of God than Mr. D and the ball thing.  Do you know her name?

BTW, she looks very much like a neighbor, a friend, and a casino worker [one of the Vegas lovelies who walk the casinos scantly clad taking drink and food orders].  

Must be Mr. D's gray hair and English accent.  American women, young and old, fall for that.  Certainly isn't his ball thing!  You think?

It appears from the headline that the Dyson Engineering school will open in 2009.  Month and day known yet?  The students I understand will be high school age, is that correct?  And the cost for the school is forecasted at $25 Million US?

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Here in Vegas at 6 PM, making it 9 PM on the east coast.  That's prime time for Sunday night for most viewers. 

Carmine D.

I watched today and they showcased the DC14, 17 and 21... No 24 or 25 ;-(

Acerone wrote:

Sounds like a rerun.  Is HSN shunning the new dyson line?  I inferred that from reading the post by Matt mmc Airblade when in speaking ahead of yesterday's HSN dyson program.

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Carmine,

I put up the Fox News interview of James Dyson if interested (here and on my Dyson video post too).        DIB

DIB:

Thank you.  What happened with the new dyson launches on HSN?

Carmine D.

Today, I received my 6th email to receive a free dyson DC25 just to use it.  That's in the last 3 weeks.  I deleted it.  Don't care for the dyson ball things.  Maybe that's why HSN hasn't previewed and launch.  My recollection is that HSN TV do not have the dyson DC15 either.  Except on the Web Site.

Carmine D.

Just checked my email.  Make that 7 free new dyson DC25 offers in the last 3 weeks.  Can we make it 10?

Carmine D.

Who's the email coming from?

Don't know Matt, I deleted them.  The next time I get one, I'll let you know.  I think it's some test marketing company that wants me to test the dyson and then fill out an evaluation and submit it.  Then I get to keep the dyson DC25 which I don't want.

Carmine D.

Yes, it's called Spam.  I'll believe that Dyson is legitimately offering you a free DC25 when I see electricity dripping from the walls

The name of the company making these offers is called Alpha Marketing Resource.  The email says test and keep a dyson DC25.  $500 Value.  Shipped FedEx ground.  With an ugly pic of the ball thing.   

Have you/others received it?

Carmine D.

No, I haven't received any of these emails, if I did they would end up in my spam folder.  Just the name of the organization sounds like a scam to me, there's always a catch to everything...

I did some research because these offers are coming from more than one company.  Another vying for my services is Vindale Research AKA Quandrant Media.  Hence the reason I'm getting so many.  The DC25 must be the in-thing to give away.  These companies offer to pay $5-$75 per survey completed plus give you the product free.  Or, alternatively, they will pay you the amount to buy the product and tell you where to buy.  Plus out-of pocket expenses for gas, plus a fee for compensation.   The amounts can be as much as $2000-$3000 depending on the product.  Sure beats completing a survey for JD Power which provides $1.00. 

I'm inclined to believe these offers are from viable consumer product research companies and are on the up and up.  Why?  All the information about the companies are included in the email with the company history.  If it were a scam, these companies would be liable for a plethora of federal and state violations for using the internet to fleece unsuspecting customers under false premises.  And they provided an audit trail for the legal authorities to nail them lock stock and barrel.  The companies would be reported in the news and would be shut down.

As you can see they are continuing to get sent to me.  If I see something that interests me I may accept the offer.  But so far the dyson DC25 ball-thing ain't it.  And maybe that's the exact reason they are trying so hard to entice me to try it and give my opinion.  Maybe they want an honest man's appraisal and believe I will provide it to them.  I might and then gift the dyson away.  At least this time, it won't cost me any money just a little time and and a survey completion.  That's a labor of love for me, not work.

If all spam is this lucrative, I better start paying more attention before I delete.

Carmine D.

If you're thinking about the gift for Mother's this Sunday, here's some advice.

http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/parenting/five-things-you-should-never-buy-as-a-mothers-day-gift-167260/

Read it through.

Carmine D.

The Dyson DC25 was launched on HSN today.  More shows may/may not air today.  The show was called "Home Solutions".

• Worth noting of the DC25 and demo:
  • It is the new "The Ball" or their selling it as the updated version to the DC15.  And the DC24 was refered to as the "The Mini Ball".
  • The additional extra 20 airwatts gives Dyson the ability to advertise the 25 as having the same power as the DC15
  • The pitch showed (Dyson's) concerned that people may think the small size = less power.  Interestingly, the demo was done on floor level and a raised platform.  I have never seen a Dyson demo on a raised platform.        DIB

The launch video is archived...  http://home-solutions.hsn.com/dyson-the-ball-dc25-all-floors-upright-cyclonic-vacuum_p-4270406_xp.aspx?webm_id=0&web_id=4270406&sf=hw&attr=2699&ocm=sekw&prev=hp!2699&ccm=hw|2699

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

I've seen this done before for dyson on HSN.  For the DC14 Animal, some time back.  Using a raised platform with 3-4 different thicknesses/styles of carpets.  I opined at the time I posted here that I thought this approach was used to preclude using matting underneath the carpets.  Why? The carpets are perminantly fixed to the platform.  Don't come off.  Can't see what's left below and under the carpets [read dirt that doesn't get picked up] after vacuuming with the carpets with a dyson.   Slick demo technique.

Carmine D.

After looking at the demo again, I saw nothing deceptive.  But I did count 3 platforms and nothing demoed on floor level like I previously wrote/thought.  The lowest platform looked to be 3 inches high and the highest looks to be 12 inches high.  Looking at the footage again, the extra (platform) height gave the camera a better view for filming the up close shots of "The Ball" mechanics and manuvering.  Who knows?        DIB 

May be of some interest...  HSN product host for Roomba says - Over 100,000 Rombas sold in 5 years, on HSN.  Dyson product host says - Almost 100,000 Dyson's sold in 2 years on HSN.  The Roomba guy said the HSN demo's greatly help to drive outside (of HSN) sales too.        DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

The number of Roombas vice dysons sold on HSN is more a function of the number on hand, price offerings and buyer incentives from HSN than the popularity/demand for the brands sold.  iRobot Roomba is now in their 5 th generation of robotic machines and the prices have come down and they have gotten better.  Consumer Reports rates it the best for the robotics.  And it's a new category of household vacuums for CR reviews.  Maybe the last year or less.  Roombas have a pervasive presence in all retailers and have since the fall of 2002 when they launched.   More so, in my opinion, than dysons.  As inexpensive as $100 and as expensive as $279 not counting the scooba which runs typically for $399 and up.  A model for every budget.

Of more interest is how many of each [dyson vice roomba] have been sold so far this year to date, not years past.  I'd like to see these numbers if available.

Carmine D.

Carmine, you bring up intersting points.       DIB

Hello DIB:

I will add one more point to consider.  iRobots are purchased to supplement the existing mainstay vacuum(s).  Dysons are purchased as the primary/mainstay cleaner.  In some respects, the iRobots are a luxury household item.  They are not needed  as much as wanted since a main cleaner probably is already in use in most households.   This would tend to make the robotic sales inherently lower.  But as I've read and seen, the sales of iRobots have been and continue to be very brisk.  People justify their need due to lack of time and effort to use/run the daily vacuum.  The low prices are a balm to people who may feel some guilt to make the expense, especially in bad economic times.

I was surprised the professional gift advisor did not include robotic vacuums as a possible Mother's Day gift.  Instead honing in on the dysons as representative of all vacuums as unworthy for the gift giving occasion. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Why would anyone be so cruel as to give their mother a prank gift on their special day?  Most moms have outgrown toys.

HARDSELL wrote:

Probably a loving, caring, concerned husband, son/daughter who wants to make their Wives' and Moms' lives easier and simpler so they have more free time to themselves.  It's like doing the vacuuming for them.  Many husbands, sons/daughters do this for their Wives and Moms for Mother's Day for the same reason.  Why not make it a permanent daily gift with a robotic vacuum? 

Come on HS.  You've been inhaling too much powdered baking soda and its nuking the limited thought processes you have.

Carmine D

CarmineD wrote:

Why not just spend $40 on a swivel sweeper.  A loving, caring husband would rather see his wife get some exercise and not contribute to her sitting on the sofa getting obese while a toy raoms the house. 

HARDSELL wrote:

Be my guest.  It's your money.  $40 dollars wasted for a manual sweeper that requires a constant user to operate.  Or $140 for an automatic sweeper that is self-sufficient and needs little/no user intervention.  Now...let me think: What is the better expenditure?  Dah?

Keep the sign.  Especially if you want to justify being a cheapskate by telling your wife that she can use the exercise.  That's real smart!  She'll just love you for that one.  And you can sleep on the sofa for the rest of your life too.  At least you'll have your sign for comfort and security.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
The Roomba is not a REAL vacuum cleaner.  True, it may have a suction motor, but many toy vacuums have a suction motor as well, and most are twice as powerful.  Even that POS Oreck will remove more dirt than a Roomba, and just barely.  The Roomba is no more of a vacuum cleaner than the Swivel Sweeper.  Anyone who takes these things seriously must have some REALLY dirty rugs...

Hello Carmine, with all respect, I think justifying the Roomba's low sales figures because it's not a 'real' vacuum is missing the point. It's little more than a toy robot, that happens to be a surface cleaner.

I will concede that it appears to represent the best feature to value choice in the market at the moment and that's not to say that iRobot's trial and error won't lead to an improved product in the near future which could well be a replacement for the household cleaner. The reason I take issue is that, in this regard, they're much the same as Dyson. They're both launched products that might not be 100% perfect, but that if they strive too close to perfection each time, they're at risk of their R&D costs putting them out of the race for good. In summary, iRobot is allowed to launch products with shortcomings, but Dyson is not?

Hello M00seUK:

It is most definitely a surface cleaner.  And most robots these days are that: surface cleaners.  That's the reason in part I said they are used to supplement full sized user required vacuums.  As a supplement, I would not expect the sales to rival full sized vacuums.  They are not counted along with vacuum sales.  But in a specialty category for household appliances. 

iRobot for 14 years was in the business of making robotic bomb detonators.  Still does.  But it was unprofitable all the time.  Why? Because there was no pervasive demand for bomb detonators among the buying US public.  When it used the robotic technology to mass produce the Roomba in 2002, the company's profits soared.  First time in 14 years it did not run a loss.  The following spring, the privately held company went public at $12 per share.  Prices of the robotic vacuums went down with subsequent generations of models, due in part to the influx of investors' capital for the purchase of its stock.  Sales are and have been brisk [at least here in the USA].

iRobot owns the market for robotic vacuums in the USA.  And will I suspect for the near term.  There is no viable competition even close in performance, price, or sales.  All this in the same time [actually 6 months less] than the time dysons have been in the USA.  Roombas are number 1 in their class.    

Carmine D.

Hello M00seUK:

If you haven't seen, here is a link on the various household and garden products offered.  More importantly the number of products, on-line customer support to maintain all the products, and tips for use.  Very impressive to me. 

http://homesupport.irobot.com/cgi-bin/irobot_homesupport.cfg/php/enduser/home.php?clear_cookie=1

BTW, despite the economic market downturns and additional issuance of more irobot stock, which generally dilutes the stock market price, the iRobot share price has held steady at $12.50.  Not many stocks can make this claim so far even this year to date.  Most have seen stock hits of 10-20 percent.  Must be doing something right for everything wrong. 

Carmine D.

Dyson’s launched the Airblade in Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20080512.RDYSON12/TPStory/Business

 

 

Dyson on HSN (I have not idea what will be selling) this Friday and Saturday.

http://www.hsn.com/cnt/program_guide/default.aspx?typ=1&pg=0&disp=0&usai=0&date=5/16/2008

DysonInventsBig wrote:
Did you see my link? Dyson was on last week with the DC25 so maybe this week is the DC24...

Ace,

Yes, I saw your link, thanks.  I happened to catch the broadcast live, I hope to see the DC24 demoed soon too.        DIB

 

Chalk up 2 more free DC25 offers in the same day, a $500 product.  Same marketing research firm for both [BrandnameRewards.com Promotions, a limited liability corporation based in Boca Raton, Florida] but different from the others.  This firm adds the "cyclone' moniker to the dyson DC25 model.

If my count is correct this makes 9 in 4 weeks.  Will I get 10?  Week ain't over yet!

Carmine D.

The DC24 was launched on HSN.  More  "Dyson Innovations 2nd Anniversary shows" are airing on Friday and Sat.        DIB 

video demo:  http://home-solutions.hsn.com/dyson-the-ball-dc24-all-floors-lightweight-upright-vacuum_p-4115424_xp.aspx?web_id=4115424&ocm=sekw

schedule:  http://www.hsn.com/program-guide_xh.aspx?typ=1&pg=1&disp=0&print=0&date=05/16/2008

I have my DVR all set...

CarmineD wrote:
As I said before, watch out.  They don't want your opinion, they want your MONEY. 

They don't care what non-experts have to say, James' opinion is the only opinion that matters. 

Motorhead wrote:

Thanks for your opinion once again.  You are certainly a loyal dyson admirer and fan, which preempts you from objectivity.  My sense is the research marketing companies seek an honest broker who has no vested interest in dyson/dyson products.  [Did I mention I've received several telephone calls too for the same purpose?]

While I have the time and the wherewithal, unfortunately I do not have the inclination.  The dyson DC24 doesn't interest me at all.  Saw it, tried it, don't like it.  A downsized DC18 Slim which are $399 retail before discounts and incentives at the big box stores which stock them. 

By last count there are 5 different companies and 9 offers of a free DC24.  

Carmine D.

Hello DIB:

Cali was looking good as ever and certainly worth tuning in, but the only dyson was the DC14 with a turbo and an extra filter for $449.  And Dave did all the demo-ing.  Did something go awry on HSA again?

Carmine D.

Carmine:  Yes, it looks like the last Dyson 2^nd Anniversary show was bumped and a cookware line called Green Pan took its time slot.  A HSN rep says they have sold over 1m Green Pans in 9 days. – And so Dyson got bumped (just a guess).  Both the DC24 and DC25 were demoed earlier in the day.        DIB

Motorhead wrote:

I have to disagree.  Carmine is the only one that has received this offer. They want his opinion.  Since he is wrong so many times they will know that all his recommendations will fail and they will not have to make the same mistakes.

Remember,  As a consultant Carmine recommended failures as opposed to Dyson and he has hated them ever since.

HARDSELL wrote:
In that case I have to wonder if said offer even exists, especially since there are a number of posters here whose posts have been cached by the Google bots and can be easily found.  Even if it was/is spam I doubt it would be sent to only one poster.  At any rate, if I received a legitimate offer for a free Dyson of course I would accept it depending on what I had to do.  Hell, I'd even take a free Oreck, as shocking as that sounds coming from someone who hates Orecks. 

But you don't see that nowadays, especially considering that 99% of email "offers" are usually fake.  No one just "gives away" free Dysons unless the parties who made the initial purchase can be compensated for it (i.e. drawings and the like).  The machines have to come from somewhere, and be purchased by someone.

As far as failed recommendations go, at least the prospective customers who have come here seeking a recommendation know better than to take Carmine's rantings seriously

-MH

Motorhead wrote:

Hello MH:

I highlighted the relevant words.  I've saved some of the recent emails with the offers.  I'd be happy to forward one/more to any one who wants them.  Send me a private message here and I will.  You too MH.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hi DIB:

I missed it.  But not Cali.  She could sell me anything.

Carmine D.

 

Hello MH:

Here's the latest.  I have more but this should do for the purpose.  This was sent to 6 others as well as me in the same email.  Maybe you can get the offer too if you respond back to company.  Be my guest.  I have no plans to accept the offer.

Carmine D.

Test and keep a brand new Dyson DC25!

You have to be the stupidest person in the world to fall for this $#%*.  This is EXACTLY why no one should take your advice seriously.  Did you happen to read the details of this so-called offer?  As I said, they don't want your opinion, they will never ask you questions about the Dyson.  They only want your money.  Here is a piece taken directly from the details page outlining "Sponsor Offers":

Please note Sponsor offers may require you to sample and/or purchase products of interest and/or take other actions such as applying for or obtaining a loan or extension of credit (including credit cards), transferring a balance, or similar steps. In order to remain eligible for your gift, you must complete all of the sponsor offers that require you to sample and purchase products of interest within 180 days of signing up for our service.

Another excerpt from the so-called "offer":

Please note that once you have clicked to and started and/or completed a transaction with a sponsor, you are subject to that sponsor's terms, conditions and rules on cancellation, and such transactions cannot be canceled by or through the brandnamerewards.com or by failure to complete the requisite number of sponsor offers specified above.

And yet another:

In some cases an additional step by you is required to satisfy the Sponsor's qualifications. By way of example that is not intended to be exhaustive, all-inclusive, or otherwise limiting, a Sponsor offer for, for example, credit card or similar service may require you to use the credit card to make a purchase, take a cash advance, or transfer a balance, to satisfy the Sponsor's qualifications. The time it takes you to complete this step is in your control and not that of the Service or the Sponsor, and the qualification time for such Sponsor offers accordingly will vary based in part on the time you take to satisfy this requirement.

Finally, the coup de gras:

Prizes subject to availability, and quantities may be limited. brandnamerewards.com reserves the right to substitute a prize of equal or greater value. brandnamerewards.com reserves the right to cancel any offer at any time for any reason, with or without notice.

That says it all.  ANYONE who could be considered an "expert" would be able to tell that this SCREAMS "scam".  There is no other way to say it.  You will NEVER receive the machine, it won't happen, ever, and even if it did you would probably pay over $1000 in "Sponsor Offers" to get it. 

As I said before, James does NOT want your opinion.  HIS opinion is the only one that matters, he does NOT want one of a so-called "expert".  He has gotten along without you for 25 years, I don't think he will have a problem keeping it that way for a few more

-MH

There's good money for the promoter, by getting people to perform these actions. For example, taking out a loan might pay them $100 in commision.
Clearly, they need to get you to do a number of these, before they can even consider coming good on their free gift offer - although they'd likely collect their returns and scam you off with something of perceived high value. The Dyson is the bait, it's inclusion is purely a highly recognized, desirable object - nothing more.

Motorhead wrote:

Carmine certainly fits the description.

If James never made another dollar he would be light years ahead of Carmine in knowledge and $.  He already made a monkey out of Carmine so he might become a zoo keeper if he retires from the vacuum business.

Well Guys:

Well you are pretty sure of yourselves and your statements.  You said some very unkind and vile things about me and the company in question.  The company may have some objections about your posts.   It may disagree with your interpretations and explanations of the terms of the agreement and say you are not qualified to give them authoritatively here on behalf of the company.   

Carmine D.

Carmine, did you happen to Google the company in question?  I did, and here is the first result that came up for a search of "brandnamerewards.com LLC":

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/304/RipOff0304862.htm

Let me quote directly from the user-submitted report:

"Only losers and suckers will sign up to give them access to their email address to receive tons of spams from con artists and scammers from across the globe."

And you thought they ACTUALLY wanted your opinion?  What a riot.

-MH

Motorhead wrote:

MH:

That user sounds exactly like you.  Would it be you?

Carmine D.

motorhead:  aka Tom Gasko, dualcyclone:

I was wondering if perhaps the full moon last night brought out your venomous invective.  But I thought to myself: NO.  That's not the reason.  The reason is no matter how you try to deny yourself with new names and swearing off your true identity, your posts and ego give you away.  As they did here.

Sooner or later you revert back to the true Tom Gasko form.  Just so happens this time it coincides with a full moon. 

Thanks Tom.

Your epitaph should read:  A coward to the end.

Carmine D.

Carmine, again you are wrong.  I do not post from the same computer Tom uses, nor do I live in the state of Missouri.  Nice try though.

Out of everyone I have met who is interested in vacuum cleaners, however, Tom has by far the widest range of knowledge, from old to new.  One of the other things I like about Tom is his biting sense of humor.  I hope a little bit of it has rubbed off on me

-MH

Motorhead wrote:

Hello Tom Gasko:

Thanks for clearing up the mystery of your friend and mentor that you most admire.  Why am I not the least bit suprised that they are both you!  

PS:  You might want to go back to a post here in March where you said you didn't even know who Tom, the dyson obcessed fanatic, is.   Since then you've had an epiphany and found yourself again.

Carmine D.

Interesting - http://www.dyson.co.uk/store/parts.asp?accessory=ACC-DOINGADYSON&product=DC02-RECYCLONE

Hello DIB:

Hence my reason for the question on which dyson claims to be the first recycled vacuum: the DC02/DC03?

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Dyson helping and encouraging others to think outside of the box is my point for this link above.  I did not know this (book?) existed.  If anyone doubts James' sincerely and resolve in helping and encouraging kids and others to think outside of the box so to hopefully make a big impact on society, need only to look at his body of work (books, lectures, etc).        DIB

CarmineD wrote:

 

 Carmine, personally I do not care which model vac he used as a recycled vacuum.  Dates (pre-dating all others) and/or doing it first is what I look at when determining pioneers.        DIB

 

 Carmine, personally I do not care which model vac he used as a recycled vacuum.  Dates (pre-dating all others) and/or doing it first is what I look at when determining pioneers.        DIB

Hello DIB:

I agree in theory [thinking outside the box] to a degree. 

What I disagree with and criticize dyson for is the reckless abandon of discounting the "tried and tested designs" [to quote Trilobite's recent words].  These are the features that define the vacuum industry's progress in the last 50 years.  For example: Brushrolls and rug height adjustments. 

For years dyson fans [Mr. Gasko included and still now] argued that the dyson brush bars in the DC07 and DC14 were just as good as the US industry standard brush rolls.  It is an asinine argument.   Some, like Tom, still poudly maintain this position.  Although dyson has revamped and improved the brush roll designs on all its vacuums after the DC07/DC14.  Why?  Obviously to meet and compete with US vacuum industry standards/performance.  Dah!

You need a practical approach of creativity and conformity to that which works the best.  You want to improve what is already agreed works the best.   

Carmine D. 

CarmineD wrote:

Hi,

I have posted this many times on this forum.  I believe James is his own worst enemy at times.  I wonder is his generals and alike are afraid to say "no, this does not work or work better than what the competitors have."  I absolutely hate the wand, hose and power head on my DC21, I'll go as far as saying it is stupid.  Dyson simply needs to copy what is working on other vacuums.  Do you think the Eureka Boss (CR's #1 pic) has some sort of secret sauce or proprietary invention in it's brush roll or nozzle design?  Start there, Dyson should copy this and not feel guilty, after all these old inventions are in the public domain.        DIB

Hello DIB:

See, proof positive that in fact we do agree sometimes.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

The EUREKA BOSS Smart vacuum has long been a Consumer Reports' Best Buy and the number one recommended upright with on-board tools.  A bagged vacuum.  Made in China.  Retails for $140.  Rarely if ever advertised by retailers let alone on sale.  [Although the CR March 2008 excluded it from its review.] 

All the big box retailers carry and sell this vacuum, in large part, because it is well worth the money and a stalwart in the vacuum industry of disposables.  It has two tried and tested vacuum features: An industry standard brush roll and a manual rug height adjustment [CR is a stickler for the latter].

I take exception to your use of the words above.  Preferring instead the words Trilobite uses:  Tried and tested.  Old in our culture has a very negative connotation.  Tried and tested and seasoned are much nicer sounding.

Carmine D.

And lets not forget that EUREKA'S younger brother  SANITAIRE is the best bang for the buck vacuum on the planet..............

mole

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

While that answer may suffice on a forum, unfortunately it won't hold up in a court of law and/or with a judge.  Both are looking for facts that can be proven and verified.  It's not what one personally thinks that matters.  It's what one can prove. 

A lawyer for a defendant in a lawsuit/arbitration hearing with dyson would have a field day with the obvious contradiction by dyson on which model is "the World's First."  My sense is the lawyer for the defense will respond something to the effect as this:  Your Honor/Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury:  If dyson can't say for sure which of its own models is the World's First, then how and why should you expect my poor client to know?

Result: Case dismissed. 

My sense is that if dyson goes the NAD route, which in all likelihood it will just for general principle, Electrolux will make the same defense.  Dyson can't call 2 separate and distinct models the World's First, then object when another company claims its own as the World's First and expect immunity for its own actions.  

Dyson puts itself into the untenable position of defending its World' First claim for the DC02 ReCyclone against itself.  The DC03 users manual that Tom Gasko cited can't be used as proof.  Dyson is estopped from using the DC03 proof because it contradicts dyson's World's First claim for the DC02 ReCyclone. 

The reason I personally and professionally believe that the vacuum makers would enjoy seeing dyson take Electrolux to court. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello DIB:

Do I gather from the lack of response, that we can say this dyson/Electrolux case is closed?  At least here and now?

As an answer to your earlier question to me, I'd say that Electrolux did its homework and research much better than dyson.  Would you aree?

Carmine D.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1025043/Spin-dry-The-washing-machine-needs-just-cup-water.html

A proposed method for a washing machine that does a load on a cup of water. Is hyped as doing for the washing machine, what Dyson did for vacuum cleaners.

Hello M00seUK:

Interesting article.  But what does it sell for?

Carmine D.

No idea what it will sell for, it hasn't hit the market yet. Maybe the water suppliers will subsidise it, even for metered supplies.
As crazy as it sounds, the energy suppliers are doing this, to play up to their green image.

This message was modified Jun 10, 2008 by M00seUK

Hello M00seUK:

I live in the desert.  Water is in short supply and big demand.  I think the product has merit.  Home builders, suffering the worse sales and profits in decades, would rally behind this product [depending on the pric] and include in their new houses.  Especially builders here in the desert.  Appliance retailers too.  City, county and state authorities too. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
That's why 'Vegas has those big fountain displays - it's to say  "There's so much money here, we can afford to throw this water about in the desert!"

M00seUK wrote:

When you visit next, you'll see that they have been cut back drastically!  Not completely but with severe restrictions and limitations now.

Carmine D.

M00seUK wrote:

The Water Saving - Plastic Chip Using washing machine (invention) story was picked up by This Is London, with reader comments.   Here.

If you are still eager to get a new dyson DC07 at a bargain price for yourself or to gift away, KOHL's is the latest big box store to join with all the others to discontinue the oldest dyson model. 

The KOHL's advertised price is $339 BEFORE an instant cash savings at the checkout of $40.  Plus, for every $50 spent, KOHL's gives away $10 in KOHL's cash.  Final cost for a new DC07 after all the instant rebates and incentives is $ 240.  Good things come to those who wait.  This beats the price I paid at TARGET in August 2006 for the DC07 pink.  My cost was $250.

Valid in stores and on-line June 18-21.  Time to buy? 

Carmine D.

6/18/08:  Dyson in Forbes, again.  Here and here.

Hello DIB:

Let's try 3 times:  What do you say is the dyson signature model?  The greater dyson?

Surely, someone as prolific as you with words, posts, graphics and pics has an opinion on the matter.  Express yourself. 

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

I speak for myself regardless of the consequences.  Read on.

Forbes fails to mention that the entire foundation on which the 5127 prototypes was built is a hoax.  The claim: Dysons don't clog, so dysons don't lose suction.  That's a false and untrue statement and comes right from the dyson product literature. 

I can't fault Forbes completely, although I do partly.  The info is provided by dyson which of course prefers to remain silent on the matter.  Changing the dyson mantra and moving on, as one said here in the past.  But is it that simple?  If words could only make it so.  Witness now: The latest and greatest dysons and the filter maintenance needs.  Why?  Dysons do clog.  When filters/bags clog, vacuums lose suction.  Even dysons. The whole dyson mantra was founded on a big myth.  4 million people buy into the dyson myth yearly.  But will they continue?  Look to the UK consumers for your answer.  43 percent dyson market share in 2004.  28 percent in 2007.  Hello Forbes:  Did you ask why? 

Dysons don't clog is the crux of the dyson vacuum for $500.  When this claim fell apart, so did the premise for buying dyson vacuums.  Ball technology instead of clogging?  Give me a break.  Sure some prefer to move on and forget it.  That's easy and best for dyson.  They don't want the bough to break and the mighty good Sir Knight to fall.  What will become of the HS?

How about the consumers who plunked down $500 based on the claim?  Why so many dyson refurbs?  Disgruntled dyson buyers, fed a crock, who returned their $500 vacuums when they clogged and lost suction?  Perhaps.  Forbes:  There's your next story.  Get on it!

You want to defend your hero Mr. Dyson?  Be my guest.  Don't expect me to agree.  

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

I’m bemused that you keep bringing this fact up in your posts, because I don’t personally see it as all that a big a deal. For someone like Dyson, selling a premium priced item to capture 43% of the market one year, falling by 15% three years later is to be expected. Why?

 

If Dyson (say) was in the perishable fruit market, yes, this would be a clear indication of their performance. People buy fruit one week, eat it, buy again fruit the next week, etc. Vacuums are not replaced with this frequency.. well okay, cheap vacuums can get replaced every 12months, but premium priced vacuums are designed to last for 5-10 years.

 

I see a saturated market, in the UK at least - I truly don’t see any brand even close to taking Dyson’s market share, at their price point. People either are either happy to buy a cheap bagged cleaner or are prepared to pay more for a ‘proper’ bagless by way of Dyson. Typically, people will even look to buy a low-end bagless, get frustrated by its performance, then, if their funds allow, will stump up for the Dyson.

 

Dyson’s performance indicators are all about market share – it’s about them getting the best return on margin, from as many people as possible. That’s why I think the ball feature is a great invention; it gives many existing Dyson owners an added incentive to upgrade. When this happens, a lot of the existing Dyson cleaners enter the second-hand market, again distorting the true picture of Dyson owners.

Ask yourselves this question,what does the person that buys a vacuum cleaner expect it to do,[MAYBE CLEAN THE HOUSE?].

People that have dysons would want to upgrade to another dyson?give a legit reason,other than weight.

So it brings us back to the question of ,is the upright market going away?

Does dyson have a shot at the canister market[NO], they failed with the last 2 efforts.

Does dyson have a clue whats really going on in the vacuum universe[you can draw your own conclusion.......

DYSONS NEW MANTRA ,,,,, TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN AS FAST AND AS FAR AS YOU CAN.

GOOD LUCK SIR JIMMY,your going to need it.........

THE-MOLE

Following in the footsteps of most "sales at any cost" generated companies I feel Dyson has entered the slippery slope of a decline that has destroyed so many once solid American companies. By not remaining true to their "product" they have cheapened the brand by excluding Small Dealers (loss of grass roots marketing and KNOWLEDGEABLE sales force), Heavy Discounting (as I've said many times that BB&beyond & others aren't supposed to discount, wink, wink but we all know thats a joke, Flooding the market with refurbs (why buy a new one when there are SO MANY cheaper ones available, Creating too many new models rather than improving the ones they have (they could actually be different but still have the same badge too many models just confuse the buyer), adding too many Numeric model designations (while they make sense to engineers and corporate people, to people who do not deal with the product everyday numbers are MORE confusing than NAMES), and I'm sure I could come up with a few reasons more if pressed.


I'm not saying the brand will die but I feel the glory days are numbered.

Hello M00seUK:

Do you think dyson is not worried about a 15 percent market share loss in 3 years?  In the UK?  Its country of origin for production of the brand name and inventor?  I seriously doubt it.  That drop sets off bells and whistles and raises red flags.  Something very serious is happening.   

The US with a population of 300,000,000 plus sells 20 million new full sized vacuums every year [give or take a few percent].  For example NAD reported 2007 new vacuum sales off 3 percent.  I suspect all in new dysons.  Probably down more but the other vacuum brands increased.  The 20 MILLION number has been consistent since 1997 when US population was about 285 million.  For 10 plus years in the USA, despite ups and downs in the economy, 20 million new vacuums are sold each year. 

The vacuum brands vying for that 20 million in new unit yearly sales would be highly upset if they lost 15 percent in 3 years.  Stay the same year over year?  Yes, that's doable and okay.  Last years' sales numbers are the starting point for all brands when projecting new yearly sales.  Losing market share?  An average of 5 percent a year for 3 consecutive years steady.  Totally unacceptable.  Unless times are bad [as they are now AND the 20 million units sold per year goes down].  Then the vacuum brand had better have the same percent of the fallen market too.  Or, something is seriously wrong.  Big box retailers kick the declining sales brand out and off the shelves.  Quick like.  Make room for the brands selling.  This is happening now with the dyson brand name here in the US.

Is the UK vacuum market different than the US?  If so, how and why?  Don't say durable consumer goods go down in sales year over year.  That is untrue.  Brand name sales of durable products go down year over year, not the total durable product sales.  Attrition of consumer durable goods [like vacuums] accounts for the steady sales numbers for 10 years.  MOLE and LUCKY 1 got it right.  As a Brit and loyal dyson fan, you got it wrong. 

The durable consumer product numbers [for vacuums] year over year stay the same, usually go up, or in extremely rare cases go down.  The latter if the conditions I mentioned above occur.  Then that brand name of the consumer durable product had better have the same percent of the lower number of product sales.   Or heads roll [if you are a publicly traded company, which we all know dyson is not]. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Same BS from the same DA who told us that Hoover would succeed and that Dyson would fail.  How does crow taste?

I am sure that you have convinced yourself, however the rest of us aren't complete DA's.

CarmineD wrote:
Spend some time reading consumer reviews.  One of the biggest gripes is how easily Orecks clog.