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Axis


Joined: Dec 25, 2012
Points: 20

Ressurecting a sleeping beauty
Original Message   Dec 25, 2012 10:04 am
Got a problem.  Pulled the trusty I think 43 year old Ariens snowblower (with it's second engine, a Tecumseh HSK70 with maybe 20 hours on it) out of it's covered outdoor storage space.  Wanted to look at the belt, grease it and lubricate what I knew earlier was a sticking shift bar (the shaft inside the case gets smeared every few years), so started it up to take it the the basement hatch.  It ran for a minute - just long enough to get there, then started running rough, then backfired through the muffler, and now I can't even start it.

Took apart the carb to check the flow and needle, found a clean fuel bowl but clayish colored fine particles in the gas.  Drained some through the inlet (float valve thing) and it was full of junk settling like an almost solid thin layer in the bottom of my container.  Then I'm thinking - didn't run it last year or drain it so the fuel was in there at least two years.   I can't remember the last time I filled the portable can so maybe the gas is three or maybe even four years old.  I probed the tiny hole in the needle adjuster and blew it dry.   And still couldn't start it, but it sputtered once. 

Will be draining and replacing the gas (flushing some fresh through the line and what to do with the old?) and clean the carb in place best I can with spray.   The spark plug is aged but has at most a few hours on it.

Thoughts on what else to do?
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Axis


Joined: Dec 25, 2012
Points: 20

Re: Ressurecting a sleeping beauty
Reply #22   Dec 28, 2012 2:21 pm
Joy!

It simply started and ran like it always did.  I have no explanation.  It was rumbling and dying, and one time it just caught.   Let it idle for 20 minutes, adjusted the two screws (low speed side screw is exactly one revolution out from a soft bottom and fast bottom of the bowl screw is out 1.25 turns from a soft bottom), restarted it a few times and put it away.  Like nothing happened!

And yes, trouts2, it does flood very easily when priming and gas was visible in the throat with two pumps, three and it would drip out.  In fact, there were times when I first started this ordeal that I'd tilt it on one wheel to drain the excess fuel from the throat and then wait awhile before trying again.  I was thinking of restricting the rubber prime line that goes to the carb so it's not so potent!  You also wrote "Anyway it’s good not to pull too much and check the plug often to see where things stand.   Whenever wet give at lest a half hour rest with the plug out." which is exactly what was done.

Off topic but will ask in this thread anyways, the HSK-70 calls for a 33328D 120 VAC starter.  Is there one that'll fit the engine that's 12VDC and can be powered off a battery?

I'm really baffled and wondering if I should I have confidence in this carburetor....  would feel a lot better if I could say that xx caused the problem. 
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carlb


Joined: Nov 16, 2010
Points: 279

Re: Ressurecting a sleeping beauty
Reply #23   Dec 28, 2012 5:25 pm
Now that you have gotten it running I would suggest trying to find out how it likes to be started.    I would start by trying to start the engine with the throttle set at mid position without using the primer and set the choke to full.  If it doesn't start after three or four pulls I would then give one shot on the primer and maybe even take the choke off and give it another two or three pulls. 

The key is not to flood the engine trying to start it.  If it still doesn't start I would then put the choke on full and give it a few pulls.  After a bit you will find out how it likes to start cold.
jrtrebor


Location: Michigan - 3 hours north of Chicago on the lake
Joined: Feb 10, 2010
Points: 539

Re: Ressurecting a sleeping beauty
Reply #24   Dec 28, 2012 7:46 pm
Glad you got it running. That's great!
Sometimes it just takes awhile.
Sometimes I've wondered if a small air pocket
doesn't develop somewhere in the carb. after rebuilding
and re-installation.
It eventually disapates and then allows the correct
flow of air and fuel.
Who knows.
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