Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Can anyone tell me about this model.  One is for sale locally for $150.  Claims it's in great condition and runs like new.  Is it worth it.  How does it compare to the new models.

Thanks,
Paul

I've posted some CCR3000 info at the link below:

http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/51273-A-1.html

If in excellent shape at $150 it would be a good deal.  It's got a Suzuki 5hp and an auger paddle similar to newer machines.  It would be a close equal to a Toro 2450 which is close to a Toro 221.  For several hundred less you'd have a close match to a new machine.  If you don't like it you should be able to sell it for the same price or more, at least you could around where I live.

You could get the specific width and height differences at the Toro site.  A CCR3000 is a 38435,  A CCR2000 is 38181, 38185.  A Toro 2450 is 38515.  I think there may be a slight height and width difference. 

I've had a few 2000s, never a 3000 and currently have a 2450 which is close to the current 221.  They are all pretty nice.  The main difference for me is the chute movement.  The 2000 and 3000 came with a chute crank that ended between the handlebars and a bit low versus the short handle at the back of the newer machines.   The low handle was easy enough to use.  The new handle types require leaning over and a little tough to get an exact chute set because of the notch settings.  Sometimes it's easier to swing the handlebars to the side and posiiton the chute for a specific set.  For a gross set you can just lean over and shove the handle and get it about right.  The low crank on the 3000 was ok for moving along and getting minor changes versus constant leaning over to move the handle for tweaks.  No clear advantage to either for me.

I'd definitely scoop it up for $150.00.  Especially if it's in as good a shape as you say.   There was a mint one for sale here for $475.00 and the vendor wouldn't budge, hence my purchase of a new 221QE for $599.00.   Had she lowered her price to even $300.00, I would have bought it. 

Not to steal this thread,but I  just picked one up,and need a manual. 

Toro site was of no help.  Any suggestions? 

Thanks Trout2 and Borat.  I just called the seller (Craigslist) and based on his description I bought it sight unseen.  I'll pick it up tomorrow. 

BTW...what's so special about the two stroke Suzuki engine?  I'm always hearing people talk about this engine with reverence.  What's weird is that I see quite a bit of them for sell listed as non-working, for parts only.

From what I heard, the Suzuki engine is very powerful, bulletproof, and loud.  As with any engines, if it runs without oil, it will self destruct.

$150 is a really good price for a nice condition CCR3000. 

Suzuki are famous for their two cycle engine design and build quality.   I have a 140cc two cycle Suzuki engine on my old Echo lawnmower.  Powerful and bullet proof.  The engine is over 20 years old and compression is still at 120 psi.   That's pretty much factory spec after hundreds of hours of use on it!  Very durable engine.   I've had that engine revving up to 6500 rpm and it didn't seem to mind it. 

As far as the same engine being readily available for parts, I'd bet that most of them have been sidelined due to fuel/carb issues more than anything else.

I don't think I have ever used a Suzuki engine, but a lot of people like putting straight gas in their 2 strokes too. :)

daswede wrote:
Get the model no. for your machne (see below)  and use this link.
Note:  I think the Suzuki engine was referred to as the 47P.   Sorry for the long column.  That's the way the cut and paste went in.   

https://homeownersolutions.toro.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&cached=true&parentname=CommunityPage&parentid=1&in_hi_userid=30166&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=225&PageID=30031#productDetailsPage

38430
CCR3000
20"
1997-1999
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38431
CCR3000
20"
1997-1998
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38432
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38433
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38435
CCR3000
20"
1997-1999
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38436
CCR3000
20"
1997-1998
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38437
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38438
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032

Paul7 wrote: 

>> I'm always hearing people talk about this engine with reverence. 

    Ancient Toro lawnmowers with Suzuki engines (4 strokers) have a cult following around here.  Listing any Suzuki lawnmower engine regardless of condition brings out the faithfull for cheap replacement and backup parts.  A guy from south western Conneticutt has driven here (eastern MA) 3 times over the last few years to buy CCR2000's.  He got one for himself, then one for his brother-in-law and two months ago his farther. 

   He had done fine with the CCR but this year with the huge snows he last week bought a 1030 commercial Snapper (pre-Briggs) from about 1998-2000 in mint condition for $350.  A excellent price for one of the best snowblowers ever made.

  

Shryp wrote:
I don't think they intentionally "like putting straight gas in their 2 stroke".  It happens.