Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Can anyone tell me about this model.  One is for sale locally for $150.  Claims it's in great condition and runs like new.  Is it worth it.  How does it compare to the new models.

Thanks,
Paul

I've posted some CCR3000 info at the link below:

http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/51273-A-1.html

If in excellent shape at $150 it would be a good deal.  It's got a Suzuki 5hp and an auger paddle similar to newer machines.  It would be a close equal to a Toro 2450 which is close to a Toro 221.  For several hundred less you'd have a close match to a new machine.  If you don't like it you should be able to sell it for the same price or more, at least you could around where I live.

You could get the specific width and height differences at the Toro site.  A CCR3000 is a 38435,  A CCR2000 is 38181, 38185.  A Toro 2450 is 38515.  I think there may be a slight height and width difference. 

I've had a few 2000s, never a 3000 and currently have a 2450 which is close to the current 221.  They are all pretty nice.  The main difference for me is the chute movement.  The 2000 and 3000 came with a chute crank that ended between the handlebars and a bit low versus the short handle at the back of the newer machines.   The low handle was easy enough to use.  The new handle types require leaning over and a little tough to get an exact chute set because of the notch settings.  Sometimes it's easier to swing the handlebars to the side and posiiton the chute for a specific set.  For a gross set you can just lean over and shove the handle and get it about right.  The low crank on the 3000 was ok for moving along and getting minor changes versus constant leaning over to move the handle for tweaks.  No clear advantage to either for me.

I'd definitely scoop it up for $150.00.  Especially if it's in as good a shape as you say.   There was a mint one for sale here for $475.00 and the vendor wouldn't budge, hence my purchase of a new 221QE for $599.00.   Had she lowered her price to even $300.00, I would have bought it. 

Not to steal this thread,but I  just picked one up,and need a manual. 

Toro site was of no help.  Any suggestions? 

Thanks Trout2 and Borat.  I just called the seller (Craigslist) and based on his description I bought it sight unseen.  I'll pick it up tomorrow. 

BTW...what's so special about the two stroke Suzuki engine?  I'm always hearing people talk about this engine with reverence.  What's weird is that I see quite a bit of them for sell listed as non-working, for parts only.

From what I heard, the Suzuki engine is very powerful, bulletproof, and loud.  As with any engines, if it runs without oil, it will self destruct.

$150 is a really good price for a nice condition CCR3000. 

Suzuki are famous for their two cycle engine design and build quality.   I have a 140cc two cycle Suzuki engine on my old Echo lawnmower.  Powerful and bullet proof.  The engine is over 20 years old and compression is still at 120 psi.   That's pretty much factory spec after hundreds of hours of use on it!  Very durable engine.   I've had that engine revving up to 6500 rpm and it didn't seem to mind it. 

As far as the same engine being readily available for parts, I'd bet that most of them have been sidelined due to fuel/carb issues more than anything else.

I don't think I have ever used a Suzuki engine, but a lot of people like putting straight gas in their 2 strokes too. :)

daswede wrote:
Get the model no. for your machne (see below)  and use this link.
Note:  I think the Suzuki engine was referred to as the 47P.   Sorry for the long column.  That's the way the cut and paste went in.   

https://homeownersolutions.toro.com/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&cached=true&parentname=CommunityPage&parentid=1&in_hi_userid=30166&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=225&PageID=30031#productDetailsPage

38430
CCR3000
20"
1997-1999
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38431
CCR3000
20"
1997-1998
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38432
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38433
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38435
CCR3000
20"
1997-1999
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38436
CCR3000
20"
1997-1998
Toro
47P**
50:1
3550-3850
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38437
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032
38438
CCR3000
20"
1999
Toro
R tek
50:1
3650-4150
NGK BPMR4A
.032

Paul7 wrote: 

>> I'm always hearing people talk about this engine with reverence. 

    Ancient Toro lawnmowers with Suzuki engines (4 strokers) have a cult following around here.  Listing any Suzuki lawnmower engine regardless of condition brings out the faithfull for cheap replacement and backup parts.  A guy from south western Conneticutt has driven here (eastern MA) 3 times over the last few years to buy CCR2000's.  He got one for himself, then one for his brother-in-law and two months ago his farther. 

   He had done fine with the CCR but this year with the huge snows he last week bought a 1030 commercial Snapper (pre-Briggs) from about 1998-2000 in mint condition for $350.  A excellent price for one of the best snowblowers ever made.

  

Shryp wrote:
I don't think they intentionally "like putting straight gas in their 2 stroke".  It happens.

Borat,

    The other thing that knocks out formatting is long links.  A return after a length of address will restore the formatting.

    The list shows two engines which is news to me.  Some model groups of 3000s came with "Toro" R Tec 6hp's.   I only know the R tec as a 5hp 141cc in the 2450.  How many cc is the 6hp? 

All R-Tek engines are the same size at 141cc.   Standard ported engines are rated from 5 to 6.5 h.p. depending on machine and label applied.   

I've read some confusing information that the same 141cc engine was configured with different porting (two additional intake ports) to make it a 7 or 7.5 h.p. engine.   Maybe Superbuick can join this thread to give us more details.  He's been a big B&S two cycle fan for years. 

I'll tell you what I think.  The marketing of the R-Tek engine is like that of their 305cc engine that's rated anywhere from 9 to 11.5 h.p.  Exactly the same engine part for part other than the power rating decals.  

The R-Tek might have a bit of "real" power variation depending on the governor setting.  Higher rpms will render more power. 

   I think your right.  I just ran through some drawings and the 2450 and older 3000's have the same block so same cc size.   Right, possible other mods to shake more hp or different marketing test critera. 

Paul7, 

   Sorry to have mislead you on CCR3000s as Suzuki.  In the past I have gone over three factory model number runs of the CCR3000 and they were all Suzuki 5hps.  This is the first I've know of a 3000 with anything else (factory runs of 38432, 3, 7, 8).  On the brighter size if you end up with a 141cc 6hp RTec that's not such a bad deal. 

Visually, the R-tek appears to be very well made.  No scrimping on cooling fins, nicely finished castings.  Fit and finish looks good. 

Couldn't find a "Made In" label on it.  Hard to tell if it's made in the U.S.A. or Chine-A.   

Regardless, I've seen a lot of two cycle engines and the R-tek looks as well made as any.  It is a little raucous even compared to the old Tecumseh two stroke I've been playing with.   However, at lower rpms, it's quite a bit stronger than the Tecumseh which is only  2ccs smaller albeit 14 years older.   I think the Tecumseh has a better muffler to help tone it down.   That muffler might also be the reason the Tec engine doesn't have the same low end power.

Being that the R-tek is an industrial grade derivative of the Lawn Boy Duraforce engine, I'm confident it should be a good engine.   It's been around for a few years and I haven't heard anything bad about it.  

  

trouts2 wrote:
trouts2,

No worries at all.  I wanted a capable single stage mainly to have a back-up if my 2-stage fails in the middle of a snow storm.   I acquired a single stage last season but it was of a poor design so I got rid of it.  The most important thing is that the Toro CCR 3000 is a proven design.  The engine manufacturer isn't that a big deal to me. 

Picked up the Toro CCR 3000 today.  It has a 5hp engine...I guess either the Suzuki or the R-tec.  Whatever it is it sounds great.  I took a photo of the model/serial numbers.  From the list that Borat posted would the model number indicate a 50:1 mix.  Just want to make sure that I'm interpreting things correctly.

Paul7,

That CCR3000 may very likely have a Suzuki engine in it.  I remember seeing some later models  with the R-Tek sticker near the console. 

38430
CCR3000
20"
1997-1999
Toro
47P**
50:1

The above which was taken from the Toro site applies to your machine.  It appears to have the Suzuki engine.  Good for you. 

As far as mixing oil and fuel, it says the recommended ratio is 50:1.  I keep one container of fuel mixed at approx. 35:1.  I use that mix for all of my equipment which requires anything from 25:1 to 50:1.  With today's oil, I'm confident that the equipment with a richer oil/fuel mix will not suffer with 35:1 and once the equipment is a running temperatures, very little smoke is evident.  It's better to go slightly rich rather than thin. 

Let us know how it works out for you.