Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Seen a lot of questions and comments on this so I'll just post my 2 cents worth.  We get a lot of HARD blown in snow around here.  Just bought a Honda HS928TCD (tracks) and I think it's night and day compared to two other wheel types I have used.  Yes, the Honda is (only slightly) harder to make a turn at the end of the line, but this is very much more than compensated for by not having to fight the blower through the first 200 yards of hard snow to get to the turn.  The Honda just pushes ahead and and is very easy to steer.

The hydrostatic drive on the Honda is good to have.  It shifts on the fly (no declutching) to adjust to any speed required do get the job done right.  The electric chute controls are wonderful - don't seem to have a problem freezing up.  When looking to buy, I found the manual chute controls on Hondas sturdily built but a bit hard to turn compared to others.  Electric....good.  WIsh the Honda had heated grips (it's -36 C here today!).

When going through lots of harder snow, the Honda engine is obviously working harder.  I compensate by slowing down forward speed or taking a partial cut - no sense in putting undue stress on the new guy, but I suppose it's only logical that more snow to move equals harder work for the engine.

The two wheelies took a lot of muscle for the hard snow - almost woulda been easier to shovel it.  My old wheelie (JD 826 with chains and "summer" tires) went thru but slowly and with difficulty and lots of muscle required.  The other new wheelie (since returned to dealer), equipped with "snow hog" type tires simply refused to touch the stuff.  I looked into getting chains for the snow hogs, but most dealers, even those that sold chains made expressly for the snow hogs, said they didn't help much (one said they made things worse!).

The Honda tracker is definitely more difficult to handle than a wheelie when in the garage on dry concrete, but I can live with that.  Maybe the suggestion of putting it on a creeper would help, but I just don't have to move it around there much anyway.  Come summer: prep it, store it and see ya next winter.

Bottom line (for me): probably almost anything will go through soft snow, but if you need to blow hard snow, get a tracked model.  I love my HS928TCD , and I imagine the new Yamahas and perhaps other tracked models (ie Ariens, but no hydrostatic drive) would work as well.

Dr_Woof wrote:

You touched upon many of the same points that I discovered when I went from a Honda HS624WA wheeled model to my new to me Honda HS928TA track model. I wish we had the option of the TCD model you guys up in CA have but I guess Honda feels we lowly Americans are not worthy :)   I did a comparative review of both in late December/early January after using my HS928TA for the first couple of times. I've always enjoyed using the hydrostaitc tranny and to be honest was very apprehensive of buying a track drive model after hearing/reading all the horror stories about the "difficulties" of a track drive snowblower. Technique (IMO) is the key to ease of use with the track drive and once this is realized, manuvering becomes just a tad more difficult than a wheel drive model. Traction is superior in every situation you described and in my case going from a 6 HP to a 9 HP was an incredible step up in performance, especially on the EOD and heavy, wet snow.

I too love my HS928TA but would hope that some day Honda (and Yamaha for that matter) wake up and realize the missed opportunity of not offering the higher end models that are available north of the border. Good luck with your new machine!

I will take a wheeled snowblower any day over a track system. A good set of Snow-Hog tires provides excellent traction and the Snowblower can be moved around with the engine off. Nothing worse then running an engine in a closed area. Oh did I also mention the wheels are much cheaper.

FrankMA:

I don't think the differences between the TAS and TCD models in the Honda line represent a significant upgrade. After looking at the specs, basically it looks like the TCD model adds power adjustment auger height and chute instead of manual, and it also offers onboard battery starter. Honda does offer significant upgrades to their line, but when I look, I don't see them offered much outside of Japan itself, and remember that those upgraded models are $6,000 and up. I don't think the market for a machine like that is significant.

Edgenet:

The tracked models are definitely harder to move without power and they do cost more, but I think running an engine in a garage for a minute while you move it isn't really much of a risk. But to each their own.

tkrotchko: I thought the TCD models had some sort of gas assisted 3 position height adjuster rather than the manual foot pedal like my TA model? I definitely like the joy stick controller for the chute rotation and deflection.

The TCD models have an infinitely adjustable heigth adjustment controlled by a lever on the right handlebar which actuates a gas strut  They have a 12 volt battery, electrical joystick chute control (rotation and heigth) , and are equipped with a headlight.  Mine came with both side and rear mounted bucket skids and was already set up with the carbureter anit-icing shield..

Dr_Woof wrote:

NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm jealous.....: )

tkrotchko wrote:
Maybe Hondas are, but my trigger release (one for each side) Yard Man isn't hard to move at all.

Agree that running an engine long enough to move something isn't a problem, especially if the doors are open. I have to open ALL the doors in my garage to even start an engine because it sets off the smoke detectors.

Dr Woof:>>Yes, the Honda is (only slightly) harder to make a turn at the end of the line, but this is very much more than compensated for by not having to fight the blower through the first 200 yards of hard snow to get to the turn.  The Honda just pushes ahead and and is very easy to steer.

 

   The above is what I’m finding as I get used to the track.  Point, shoot then follow it.  Not 100% converted yet to say I’d choose a track over a wheeled for a single machine but it’s inching closer after each storm.  Turning for me is not a problem.  The HS624 is easy enough and so is the HS828.  The HS1132 requires more focus but easy enough also.

    The three Ariens 1028’s I had here got sold off.  I’ve got 4 Hondas here and none are for sale. That does say something about my preference.  None of them are going anywhere until I get a similar replacement machine first.   

   What's not so great is determining when your in low or middle bucket.  I can't see the catch positions.  Maybe some painted stripes down there would do it.

    Also, the ones with choke after full throttle is not so great.  They start and run to high rev very quickly. If I back off choke they often stall so have to run it to choke to prevent stalling then back off and do it a few times to keep the revs down.  I don't like to have the high revs or the banging and thumping from choke.  The 1132 has manual choke at the carb and no problem.

  

DR Woof: >>I found the manual chute controls on Hondas sturdily built but a bit hard to turn compared to others

 

   Was that after adjustment?  The machines I have all have the adjustment under the worm. You can make the crank tight or fluid.  One machine was tough but I took the chute off, wire brushed the chute and seat then greased and oiled them.  It was fine after that.   

I just tested the floor models on the manual chute - so perhaps they could have been adjusted better for easier rotation.  The engine on my 928 starts quickly, but runs pretty slowly until it warms up regardless of where the throttle is set.  I would prefer a manual choke myself, but it's not available on the 928.

Dr_Woof wrote:
Try loosening that bolt that holds the bracket to the engine.  It's located near the universal joint on the crank.  My was binding up before I let it loose a bit.