Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Hello all,

I'm new to this snowblower community.  I've got my new Ariens 8526 which I used last weekend and loved.  Here is my question:  Everyone on the forum seems to agree that fresh gasoline is important.  My OPE dealer has told me repeatedly to dump my gas can into my car after a month or two, and get fresh gas for the blower.  I understand it and it all makes sense.  But I'm wondering why these snowblower motors are so particular about gas.  I've got a tiller with a 5 hp B&S motor that I've had for at least six years and I've never done anything to it.  Most years it gets used once in the spring and than sits til next year.  Sometimes it gets used a second time in the fall.  So the best case is it gets run an hour in the spring and an hour in the fall.  I have only added gas when I use it.  Never drained the tank.  Always starts and runs fine.  Now I know you guys are cringing at this.  I just wasn't as 'in' to my power equipment as I am now that I have found this forum.  So if the tiller can sit year after year with gas in the tank until some more is added, and there have been no problems, do the snowblowers really need such pampering in regards to gas?  Keep in mind that I'm not suggesting that anyone treat their blower like I've treated my tiller.  And I'm not going to do that either.  But are they really that finiky, and if so why?   Please don't flame.  Just trying to learn.

MountainMan, do you have diesel?  I wouldn't think it safe to run in a gas truck. 

AJace wrote:

No. I have a F-150. Has a 30 gallon tank. I trow in gas any older than 2 months, or 50-1 mix older than a month or so. With the big tank, it never notices the stale fuel.

Someday I will go Diesel, especially if we see a Midsize or half ton diesel powered pickup. Ive been eyeing the Jeep Liberty CRD's that are due out soon. 30%+ better fuel economy, with almost no power loss.

I guess it wouldn't hurt either engine.  You appear to like your equipment.  I hear that Jeeps aren't good on trannys.   

I had a problem with crap gas twice last year.  Both times i believe I had sta-bil in it. 

It had been about a month from the last snowfall, so I started the Honda and made sure it ran good.  Then I bought "fresh"(watered maybe) 91 oct fuel and put sta-bil in the gas can before filling it up.  Topped off the tank in the morning (it was a third full), and it would not start. Me very mad.  Take out the plug, clean it, and it almost starts.  Repeat this 5 times.  Me angry.  Grab shovel, then get off to work.  Thinking about it at work, the only thing I did different was add fuel.  Went home, took different gas can to a different station, empty snowthrower,  drain carb bowl(easy on Hondas),fill up with different fuel and it starts with 2 pulls .  Since this was the second time that year this happened I did not buy gas from that station any more!

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18Degrees wrote:
I'm not sure if what I'm about to write is productive or not - I honestly don't know what "productive is" on AbbysGuide, but hopefully this might lead to an answer.

Based on the quote above, it appears as though the Honda ran well with StoreX Gas.  Then, just after winter was over, you bought StoreX Gas, put sta-bil in it and topped off the tank.  Then it wouldn't start.  I'm wondering if your area of the country does what mine does - during the winter months, they change the gasoline to a gas-ethanol mix, and they were still selling that when you bought it.

If any of the small engine guys here would like to comment on ethanol I would appreciate it, as the above is only my guess.  Could you also tell us, was this gas from a national brand?

--SnowRemover

SnowRemover wrote:

The brand was Cenex, 91 Octane in the middle of winter (December2003).  Around here the 89 cotance had 10% ethanol label on it so I avoid it like a honey-do.  I think maybe it was water in there ground tank, but maybe it is like you said SnowRemover.  No problems from gas from 2 other stations (91 octane).                                                  

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Some interesting facts about gas that i learned years ago,  when helping on tank additions at several bulk plants, gas is gas, and for a given octane rating all the fuel delivered from a given bulk plant comes from the same tanks regardless of the retailer brand its going to, no matter if its a "name" brand station or the local convience store. the difference is the type and quantity of additives added to the fuel at the time its dispensed at the bulk plant.  a good example of this, was a sinclair bulk plant i was working in & the only bulk storage facility in something like a 250 mile radius, on a given day, one would see several trucks from the different brands all transporting fuel from this one plant, not only sinclair, but texico, conoco, amaco, & union 76 included. What i was told by plant help was each "brand name"specified the types and quantities of additives added to the fuel at the time of loading onto the transports. in addition to this, many of the local small stations & donut stores suffer from inconsistant fuel quality, (in some cases at least) because they purchase fuel from different transporters depending on who sells it cheaper at the time, thus there is no consistancy in the additives used in the fuel they are supplied with.

Hi Everybody!

I think 'Lint hit on most of the talking points in his post.  My only comment is the higher volatility winter gas should not generate any storage issues from December thru March, if the OPE 5 gallon can is kept in an unheated garage or storage shed.  Oxidation activity in gasoline is highest in warmer temperatures.

While it is a good practice to empty the OPE 5 gallon can into a vehicle at the end of each month, to insure fresh gas, I would'nt worry about it in the winter months.

As far as octane, most small engines require 87 minimum, and premium gas, other than the higher detergent levels with some brands, will not achieve any performance gains.  Higher octane gas has a slower "flame front" for proper ignition in high compression engines and doesn't really have a higher energy value.

As SpottedPony indicates, multiple brands are supplied from the same pipeline bulk terminal storage tank, with the only difference being the brand specific additives.

Here is a link to Chevron with some good info on the use of ethanol reformulated/oxygenated gas.

http://www.chevron.com/prodserv/fuels/bulletin/oxy-nona/concerns.shtml

Blue

Don't even get me started on Wisconsin's lovely reformulated gas (Thanks Tommy Thompson!) which is more expensive than other states' gas, reduces gas mileage (are we helping the environment yet? ) and has shown to damage cars by clogging fuel injectors, etc.  

So we are paying more to reduce our mileage and wreck our cars......yup, that was quite the beneficial deal for our state....

Paula

LOL, yeah, Paula, we did have an episode with clogged fuel injectors in the Milwaukee area.

But cut Tommy some slack!   After stepping down from his cabinet post , he's currently unemployed!

A high percentage of the problems were traced back to Citgo gas & probably some problems at the Citgo refinery in Lemont, Illinois.

I always run a bottle of Techron fuel injector cleaner every 3-4 months to avoid these problems.