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gdoll


Joined: Nov 18, 2010
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Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Original Message   Nov 18, 2010 3:41 pm
I live in Calgary - we get a moderate amount of snow, rarely more than 8 to 10inches at a time, usually in the 2-4" range. The issue here is snow drifts.  I live in a north facing house at the south end of a cul de sac and get drifts all the time on the bottom half of driveway.  My driveway is for a 3car garage - not super long (probably 25ft, but easily 40 ft wide. I have been reading lots about single stage throwers - i like the fact they clean to the pavement, but am concerned if they can throw the snow far enough or can chew through a foot deep snow drifts a few times a year.  The other option of course is the 2 stage throwers - they seem a bit big and I've read they don't get down to the pavement. I am also not the  most mechanically inclined individual in the world...

Help?? Any thoughts on what my best bets would be?  I need something that my wife would be comfortalbe using as well. Any comments are appreciated...

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giocam


Joined: Sep 18, 2010
Points: 74

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #14   Nov 19, 2010 10:30 pm
superbuick wrote:
  Check out the commercial snow guys and see what they're running - 2 stroke single stages....fast, powerful, effective, and basically maintenance free.

Not where I live. Single stage is useless here.
trouts2




Location: Marlboro MA
Joined: Dec 8, 2007
Points: 1328

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #15   Nov 20, 2010 8:29 am

The purpose of the forum is to help people.  Giving advice with exaggeration and miss information is not so helpful to the poster or others who’ll search the forum for information.

 

>>In fact, tipping over a 300lb behemoth to change the oil once a season

    Is “tipping over” a machine required for an oil change?  I could not tip over any two stage but can still do oil changes. Machines average 300lbs?   Why do you tip your machine over to do an oil change?

 

>>It takes about 15 years to wear out a rubber paddle here in New England,

The big machines have not been around that long so how do you know that?

 Single stages used as a main machine have their paddles wear way before 15 years judging from the many single stages I have purchased from owners with worn out paddles.

 

>>Check out the commercial snow guys and see what they're running - 2 stroke single stages....fast, powerful, effective, and basically maintenance free.

    I deal with quite a few commercial snow guys and none of them use single stages to do their main clearing.   A couple clear with two stages but most have plows.  Many have small single stage 3-5hp’s because they are light and very good at cleanup, paths and walkways.  I don’t know any that have the big single stage machines 6hp or above.  A few have come here to buy two stages from me and I guide them to single stages.

 

I have met a few people who have very small driveways that use single stages, 5hp or lower and like them.  They were fine with putting up with the shortcomings of a SS on bigger storms and EOD, no problem for them. 

A few around Boston with parking spots or condo owners that clear parking spots like the single stages.  I have only met one guy west of Boston who gets the same snow as me, had Ariens 5hp or larger and loved it.  I bought his Ariens ST724 two stage which he did not use anymore.  He had a double wide drive about 8-10 cars long.  I quizzed him quite bit and he said he had zero problems with EOD or any large storms in the last several years.  Hard to believe but that’s what he said and he stuck to it.

superbuick


Joined: Feb 23, 2009
Points: 138

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #16   Nov 20, 2010 10:09 am
You must use a siphon pump or other device to drain oil.  Most of the 4 stroke engines I've worked on (a few hundred or so) have required tipping to get the oil out.  Short of removing the engine from the snowblower, this means tipping the unit for me.  The bottom line here is that it is a FAR more difficult and laborious procedure than mixing oil and gas, which is basically as messy and complicated as putting sugar in your morning coffee.  Perhaps 200 - 250lbs would have been a more accurate figure, but my point still remains the same regarding maintaining 2 stroke vs 4 stroke.  In your defense, changing the oil on a 4 stroke single stage is even WORSE.
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Shryp


Location: Cleveland, OH
Joined: Jul 26, 2010
Points: 532

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #17   Nov 20, 2010 10:24 am
The blowers I have seen all have oil drains on the bottom of the engine.  The older ones had it on the side and it could be easier to drain after removing a wheel.  The newer blowers all seem to have an extended drain tube on the back and look easy to change the oil on.  The old Toro I have with a Honda clone engine on it I did tip on its side slightly so I could get the oil drain bolt out without making a mess.  After tipping it a bit it made all the oil go to the other side and I slid an old oil quart cut into a funnel with the tip sticking out between the engine and frame and it made it easier to change without making a mess.
chefwong


Joined: Dec 18, 2004
Points: 175

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #18   Nov 20, 2010 10:28 am
Superbuick - Easy on the wax and chrome polish. You're blinding me here

Makes me want to get polish out the chute controls but methinks that after this season, I may be flipping as I figure out a 'ole blue model
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #19   Nov 20, 2010 10:59 am
How did you ever find a 22 year old snowblower that looks as  good as that?
superbuick


Joined: Feb 23, 2009
Points: 138

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #20   Nov 20, 2010 12:47 pm
We owned it since new so we were able to maintain it and keep it nice and shiny :)
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Steve_Cebu


Joined: Dec 17, 2009
Points: 888

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #21   Nov 20, 2010 12:58 pm
superbuick wrote:
For those of you who say the single is useless, can't handle 12 inches, or nobody uses them - I beg to differ.  I live close enough to where you all live to experience similar snow  (though I think oftentimes you may see more accumulation and frequency Steve ), and I use one EVERY SINGLE STORM and have used one for 20+ years this way.  The information you are stating sounds like it is coming from reading the internet vs actual hands-on experience.  I may be incorrect, though, and if so, then we have differing opinions and thats OK too.  I don't need a lecture on how big single stages don't work in Massachusetts heavy or deep snow though, because they do, and they do very well too.  I also own a large, proper 2 stage unit and agree that they are wonderful machines ('else I wouldn't own one)... but so are (good) single stages.

I also realize this post is irrelevant as the original poster already made his decision.

Commercial snow removal guys who need a snowblower don't drive around with a 2-stage in the back of their truck - they'd need ramps or a team of guys to get it in and out.  They plow and clean up with a single stage, because it is light and fast and gets the job done.  Is it the end-all-be-all solution?  For me, mostly yes, for others here, maybe not.  But that doesn't mean they won't work or are useless. 



Well to be honest it really depends on your needs. For certain If I had to use a big single stage, I could probably get it to work. The EOD would be a royal pain as it's a LOT of snow. But I'm in the middle of NH. Years ago when I lived in Mass, a single stage would have probably sufficed for my apartment there. For some people overkill is the way to go. No idea if a big single stage 2 stroke would be best for heavy snow but for most storms in Mass depending where you are in relation to Rt 128 you could manage.

The colleges do the walkways and they all use tracked Hondas or Toro's, of course they have major stuff for the parking lots. Some of those walkways are very long and would take 2 passes with a 2 stage. If you have a plow you can't do walkways without tearing up all the grass. I looked at getting a single stage Toro the 221 I believe but it would not have had enough oomph!

No doubt your single stage does the job for you and that's good. Mixing gas and oil is no big deal unless you mix it wrong some how. I don't think there is any one right answer, but for a big heavy EOD it's tough to beat a 2 stage.

"If you have more miles on your snow blower than your car, you live in New England."  "If you can drive 75 mph through 2 feet of snow during a raging blizzard without flinching, you live in New England."
giocam


Joined: Sep 18, 2010
Points: 74

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #22   Nov 20, 2010 1:44 pm
superbuick wrote:
For those of you who say the single is useless, can't handle 12 inches, or nobody uses them - I beg to differ.  I live close enough to where you all live to experience similar snow

I get one of the highest annual snowfall amounts in my Country(Canada).
Not only have I never seen commercial guys use a single stage, I have never seen them in residential use either LOL. No doubt it serves you well, but they just won't cut it here.
NotMoneyGuy


Location: Toronto & north of
Joined: Nov 10, 2010
Points: 87

Re: Never owned a snow blower - thoughts on what will work?
Reply #23   Nov 20, 2010 2:21 pm
Steve_Cebu wrote:
...EOD it's tough to beat a 2 stage.


I hope so. This will be my first winter with one.

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