Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

I just signed up as a new member and wanted to thank this site for help in picking out my new snowblower.

I recently gave up on a not too old craftsman 24" with a 5.5hp snow king L head. This was the basic 2 stage that they offered with no electric start and only 3 forward speeds. Last 2 years have been nothing but problems. I decided on the compact 22 due to the subaru/robin motor and compact size. Haven't had a chance to try it out in the snow yet but am hoping it's up to the task. Machine looks well built and much more put together and durable than the outgoing machine. I was torn between the compact 22 and 24, but decided to go with the subaru motor, hope it will provide just as much power as the bigger briggs 900 series. Anyone have a chance to use one of these machines with the sx17? if so did you find the power comperable? Thanks

http://robinamerica.com/pfeatures.aspx?pid=161

This link refers to the SP/EX series engines of which the SX is based. The power will be similar to the Briggs 205cc. The more modern Subaru OHC technology with their patented hemi-style head is largely the reason for the higher power density (hp/cc).

I've run Subaru engines for years . left it out in the rain and it never let me down. Always run it with fuel stabil, and change your oil with cynthetic oil as per manufacture instructions.They are very quiet and reliable. I'll run them head on with a Honda any day. Congratulations on your purchase. If my Techumseh ever dies on my blower I'm getting a Subaru SX30 for mine.

Good to hear...That was one reason i went with the subaru motor was that there is basically nothing but rave reviews for them. I was concerned because while this sx17 motor is rated at just under 6hp at 4k rpm's the power curve on the robin site puts it at under or around 5 hp at 3600 rpm that the specs on the ariens seem to show it running at. This was my biggest concern. There appear to be a lack of accessories for the 22" model but plenty for the 24" model (ie, drift cutters,  new scraper bars and weight kits) while i am likely to not need these it would have been nice to have the option to get them in the future. I couldn't see paying an extra $100 for 2" more bucket, i will save the money and make one other trip down the driveway.

bus708, do you know where to buy a Subaru SX30 engine?  I couldn't find one.

Just an update, I was finally able to try out the new machine on the Blizzard sunday night into monday here in the N.E. We ended up with about 14" or so here. I went out around 6PM on Sunday and was met with about 7" of snow, and it was coming down hard at that point. The plows had only made a few passes so not much EOD to deal with. The compact 22 had no problem with this at all, I estimate throwing distance at about 20'  no problem, and this would have been good snowball snow. The subaru SX17 ran like a champ, and did not bog down at all. I kept both wheels engaged with the pin locks, but did take one out for about 2 passes to see how it would do. i think light powder would be fine with one wheel drive, but I was left giving the blower a slight push every time the wheel started to slip. The 12" or so at the EOD were tossed with no problem.

The snow mixed with sleet for a few hours over night and I was out at 6AM the next morning to make room to get the cars out for the wife and I to go to work. Fired up the machine to deal with the additional 7" + drifts in the driveway and about 2' of EOD mess. The main drive was no problem dealing with 7-12" (drifts). The EOD was litterally like cement. This snow was very heavy and compacted, the subaru got it's first workout. While distance never dropped below 10' the motor was working pretty hard. Never had a stall out or any significant problem. I was forced to take small bites of the EOD due to the dense snow and most of it being equal to or higher than the 20" intake height. Still all in all pretty painless. I had no problem putting the snow on the lawn from the middle of the 25' wide driveway even in the real heavy stuff. The only issue I ran into was the tendancy of the machine to kind of ride up a little in the EOD. Don't know if a weight kit would help, but I think part of the problem is the weight of the machine. No big deal as I would let it ride up, back it up a few feet and have at it again. Overall I find this machine way superior to my old craftsman with 5.5hp tec L-head. Sorry for the long post but I have seen a few threads with this machine mentions but little actual user feedback.

I got my first snowblower (the same model) about a month ago and so far have really liked it. I purchased it due to size, Ariens reputation, Subaru engine and price. the shiny orange paint (just kidding).

I have only used it 2 times in 6 inches or so of snow and it has worked well. I have been using it with one wheel's drive pin pulled because it seems easier to roll around the garage and turn when not using it in the snow. It gets around fine in the light snow that way but if we have something deep I will lock in the second wheel.

I purchased it through HD and they shipped it to a local OPE dealer and they then delivered it and went over its operation with me. Then did the belt runin procedure and waxed 2X with NuFinish wax to make all the box, auger and discharge really slick.

I originally thought about a good toro single but wanted the 2 stage capability if it ocasionally snows like it has over the past 5 years or so where we get a foot of snow plus larger drifts.

slinger wrote:
You can get one from small engine warehouse or direct from Subaru

Nice to find people who have actually used the product ! 

Please help me decide on whether to buy an Ariens Compact 22-inch snowblower ... I almost did a month ago. 

Here's the set up:  I have a 19" 1-stage, paddle-type snowblower nearing the end of its useful life and it's been okay in light snow but the limited size of the intake means the job takes 2-3 time longer when the snow is deep.  I'm in downstate NY and the snow only gets deep a couple times a year and it's an asphalt driveway so it hasn't been a big deal.  But more importantly, I have a small garage with limited space and the old 1-stage, which is relatively small and lightweight, can fold up and fit nicely next to other machines in the garage.  So I started looking for a 2-stage snowblower that was as small as possible while still being a well-built, quality machine.  I checked stores and found lots of 24" snowblowers which I think are too big, so I looked online and found the Ariens 20-inch snowblower (ST20E), but it has been discontinued .  That led to the Ariens 22-inch (920012 / 920013).

Here's the questions:  First, how much snow is left behind?  My neighbors have two-stage snow throwers (Toro and Craftsman) and while they may finish up before me, my driveway/walkway is alway clearer than theirs.  The paddle-type machine gets down to the blacktop so by the end of the day, even with temperatures in twenties and teens, the sun helps clear things up.  Meanwhile their auger-type machines leave a thin layer of snow and when it gets compacted, it turns to ice which can last for weeks in January, while my driveway is totally clear.  I've been told that some fancy 2-stage machines have adjustable augers, but nothing will get as close paddles.  It's not a deal breaker for me, I's just like to know what to expect with some real world use.

Second, roughly how much space does it take up?  For comparision, I have a self-propelled, rear-discharge, Honda lawnmower.  The Ariens 26-inch models I saw in a store (along with other brand 24-inch) are wider by a few inches but that's not a big deal.  More important is the lenght/height... they seemed maybe 10" less long, but again, my 1-stage snow blower lets me fold the handles forward so it's even more compact for storage during the off-season.  I realize this is never going to happen with a 2-stage snowblower because their engines and chutes make them higher profile.  Second, roughly how much space does it take up?  For comparision, I have a self-propelled, rear-discharge, Honda lawnmower.  The Ariens 26-inch models I saw in a store (along with other brand 24-inch) are wider by a few inches but that's not a big deal.  More important is the lenght/height... they seemed maybe 10" less long, but again, my 1-stage snow blower lets me fold the handles forward so it's even more compact for storage during the off-season.  I realize this is never going to happen with a 2-stage snowblower because their engines and chutes make them higher profile.   Again, not a deal breaker, but any opinion would be welcome.

lap_abc wrote:
Every 2 stage snow blower I've used had an adjustable scraper bar at the rear of the bucket.  I have a paved driveway so I always set the bar so that it scraped the asphalt clean.  My driveway is bare when I'm done so I suspect that your neighbors have their scraper bars set above the driveway surface.

No need to guess how much space it will take up.  Ariens and mostly all other manufacturers have complete specifications for their machines on their web sites. 

http://www.ariens.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Ariens%202011%20Sno%20Spec%20Sheet.pdf

To help with your questions, like the previous poster stated, the scraper bar on the machine can be set to litterally scrape the driveway by adjusting the skid shoes on the sides of the bucket. I have mine set to leave about 1/8" or so, and while at times it may freeze up under right conditions more often than not by the next day or 2 I also have mostly clean driveway due to the sun. The shoes can be lowered all the way down to give a clean driveway all the time but this will wear down the scraper (a part which you can easily replace) after a few seasons I would say.

As far as storage the handles can fold up a bit on the compact models, they fold forward toward the engine. Floor space will be similar to a normal push behind mower (specs can be found online). The difference is the height as the chute and engine height are obviously higher than a lawnmower. I suppose you could take off the chute for summer storage and fold up the handles to make the machine as small as possible but for most people I don't think height will be much of an issue as floor space. Again I won't bother folding the handles on mine because you can easily slide a mower or something else on the shorter side right in behind it and the handles are up high enough to not really cut into much storage space.

FYI I just did a quick measure for you, floor space is about 3' length from the front of the bumper to the point in which the handles fold. Width is about 24" (22" bucket plus a skid show on either side) at it's widest. Folding the handles will save you about 18" overall length, as the machine exceeds 50" from tip of bucket to tip of handles, but again this extra length is at about waist height and you can fit something behind it if space was at a premium. Height of the machine to the top of the chute is also about 3' but taking it off doesn't seem worth the trouble as it would only save you maybe 6" tops until the height of the engine comes into play. This was based on a quick measure of my subaru powered compact 22, the briggs powered machine may vary slightly on engine size and height, but I doubt it would be that significant.