Outdoor Power Equipment (Lawn Mowers, Snow Blowers, Chain Saws and more) Discussions

Trying to pick a replacement for my Craftsman single stage snowthrower that I am replacing due to difficult starting and since it is generally inadequate in clearing my drifts,EOD, and heavier accumulations.

Background:

I have an 80ft flat, paved driveway, appx 20ft wide and a bit of side walk to clear.  Although NOAA says my average snowfall is 24"/yr, some years we don't seem to get any and other years (such as last year), we get about double that, some times in the 12"-14" range.  I live in a windy area where drifts get in the 2' + range.  Storage of unit with clearing width to 30" is not a problem.

Choices:

Budget $1000-$1500.

Toro 826LE or 828LXE-I have several good service/dealer locations nearby (price $1099/$1399)

Simplicty L10530E-Having a Simplicity Tractor, I know the dealer fairly well-average as far as service/support (price $1499)

Ariens 824E or 1027LE-Dealer is about 20mile away, don't really know him. (price $999/$1200)

These were the ones I was considering, I see +/- to each.  Let me know what you think or if you need more info.  Thanks

I'm still mulling my options.  I's also like to consider the Simplicity L9528E.  This was the model I was first drawn to.  Size and power wise, it seems to be in the right range for me. .....The problem is this:  The new models will not be equipped with the 9.5 intek engine....I'm told it will have a 14hp engine, but noone can tell me which Briggs engine it will be (intek or power built).  I'm looking for anyone here that might know.. I called simplicity today and the tech didn't know.  I know the HP thing is kind of arbitrary with these, engine type isn't.

Also after talking with the owner of my local Simplicty dealer, I'm feeling alot better about dealing with him.  I would put him and my Toro dealer on nearly equal footing..with toro slighty favored.

I don't believe Briggs and Stratton makes a 14hp PowerBuilt engine. They do however make a 13.5 intek so i would say that is your engine. It's develops 17.1 ft-lbs torque@2500 rpm

Jesus, that's a helluvalot of engine for a 28"

That's actually gross hp-- the net is only 11hp

Anyway hp really doesn't mean much. . it's the torque that is the important number. And by the way, it's from which the hp is derived

    

 Hmmmm...I'm not seeing a 14hp Intek Snow engine (only a 14.5).  I'm more interested in intek vs power built than HP.  Although I hear that a cast iron sleeve isn't all that beneficial, it's still my preference.

Ok...I see the 13.5 hp intek snow.  Getting a little weary from too much research. 

Briggs doesn't rate their engines in horsepower anymore. You're getting horsepower confused with their new bewildering torque rating. See this link: http://www.briggsandstratton.com/display/router.asp?docid=98287

Their horsepower used to be measured at 3600 rpm. Their torque rating is measured at 3060. It's likely that this was arbitrarily selected due to to it's close RPM proximity to peak torque. This isn't the torque at the operating RPM. These are the same engines they always were, just rated differently. The silly thing is if some other manufacturer rates in torque (I don't believe anyone does currently) the RPM at which their peak torque occurs will be at a different RPM so the ratings will not be directly comparable. For example, Tecumseh's L-heads peak torque is typically at a lower RPM so they would rate their gross torque at some other RPM.

So Tecumseh still rates in hp, Briggs in a made-up Torque standard, and most others in cc's. Nothing like confusing customers. The best think to look at is probably cc's.

http://img338.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bsintek135grossml1.jpg

Looks like a preformance curve to me. no confusion here

How can they not rate their engines in hp would be a better question.   

Torque = HP x 5252/RPM or maybe physics has changed recently

So I gather from this my dealer may also be confused as to an engine change in this model due to B&S designating engines based on gross torque rather than HP.  When talking to the tech at Simplicity and providing him with the order # for this item (from 2007), he gave me an engine #20A4140115-E1, which corresponds to the Intek Snow 9.5 HP (displacement of 328cc), but I was under the impression that we were still refering to the 2007 model rather than the new model, if indeed there is an engine change.

Pretty bad when people all the way through the system are as confused as I am.

I spoke with someone " in the know" today.  They said the Simplicity L9528E is being supplied with a 13.5Hp Briggs Intek engine.  The Briggs tech I spoke with said it is being supplied with a 13.5 Gross Torque Snow Max engine.  Makes it kind of hard to compare apples to apples. 

Sooo... comparing this model:   Simplicity L13528E ($1249) to Toro 828LXE ($1399) , any opinions on which is best.  (I have all but ruled out Ariens, since the dealer is too far away). 

One thing to be aware of is that snowblowers use gas engines that are designed for cold temperatures, hence the B&S Intek Snow and Tecumseh Snow King lines. Its my understanding that a regular engine will run too cold and hence have problems. The snow engines have cowlings to help keep the engines "warm enough". It also means that they will over heat if you try to blow snow in the summer