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JohnEDavies


Joined: Sep 7, 2004
Points: 177

SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Original Message   Nov 17, 2005 11:09 am
... when you bend down to operate the axle-mounted lock pin at the left wheel, on the '05 and older models. This has really bothered me, and the new models no longer have this problem due to the new axle design and remote control system.

My fix was to fabricate a small deflector from a 3" x 3" piece of thin stainless steel. I carefully bent it into an "S" shape in my bench vise and pop-rivited it to 2 existing holes in the muffler face - the two holes are the outer ones closest to the rear of the thrower. I drilled the holes oversized and installed the deflector with 3/16 inch stainless pop rivets. These are very hard to find, but a bolt or boat supply company (like West Marine) will have them at about US$1 each.  Plain steel or aluminum rivets will not hold up in this environment - the heat and vibration will loosen and corrode them severely in a couple of winters. The steel should be available in the scrap bin of any metal fabrication shop.

I made sure the deflector did not stick out to the left beyond 1 inch, so that the black muffler heat shield would still fit correctly.

The mod works GREAT! No hot carbon monoxide blasted into the eyes and lungs. The exhaust stream is broken up rather than a concentrated stream, and most of it exits straight forward and up, with a little bit going down. I have not thrown snow yet, but I don't see how the mod can have any measureable impact on engine performance.

I highly recommend this mod if you own an older DLE.

John Davies
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faithfulFrank


He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep
to gain what he cannot lose....


Location: Batavia, N.Y.
Joined: Jan 20, 2004
Points: 1067

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #15   Nov 19, 2005 1:37 pm
Drillertoo,

You are entitled to your opinion, but personally I think you were rude and disrespectful, especially for a person who has a total of four posts here.

John is also entitled to his opinion, and even though this is not a new concern to him, factoring in the new changes Ariens brought to the new 2005 snowblowers, it is still an interesting topic of discussion. His bringing it up again is also warranted because of the solution he came up with.

If we still had the "old mods" who used to be here, (a fine bunch of guys I might add)  your insolence would not have been tolorated.

Flaming has never been allowed here in the past......if that has changed it would just be another reason why some of the best people here have gone over to the "other" OPE forum.

There is a big difference between "flaming" and disagreeing with what a person posts......hopefully you will learn the difference.

Frank D.


Ariens 1332DLE Pro, Exmark 52" HP ZTR, Gardian Generac generator, Shindiawa T230  Excell/Honda PW, Craftsman rototiller, Favorite IPE- My Mac + Ipod- No Windoze for me!
Drillertoo


Joined: Nov 12, 2005
Points: 17

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #16   Nov 19, 2005 2:51 pm
Consumers as a whole have NO common sense and steps like these are necessary!


In your case I agree. You made a modification to keep the lack of common sense from being a problem, I'm sure it was a good idea. Now it blows upward into your face. I stand corrected, no idiocy there. 
Majorxlr8n


Location: Freehold NJ
Joined: Aug 6, 2003
Points: 1092

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #17   Nov 19, 2005 6:15 pm
That deflector was nicely done & I applaud someone trying to improve something.

BUT - Stopping & restarting is an inconvienience when it comes to safety? I'm sorry, but that is just plain LAZY & irresponsible. With this new deflector addition, the exhaust will now blow in your face when one goes to clear the auger, which will probably be done with the engine running. ANY TIME YOU LEAVE THE OPERATOR POSITION FOR ANY REASON, THE ENGINE SHOULD BE SHUT DOWN FOR SAFETY!! I feel that someone's safety is PARAMOUNT & ALL measures should be taken to keep yourself safe! Don't wait for someone else to do it for you, be smart & work safely folks!

Operating OPE is dangerous & some common sense must ALWAYS be excercised. Unfortunately in today's society, no one assumes ANY accountability - its always someone else's fault no matter what.

Marty

Garandman


Location: South Boston, MA
Joined: Mar 10, 2005
Points: 341

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #18   Nov 20, 2005 7:14 am
JohnEDavies wrote:
Consumers as a whole have NO common sense and steps like these are necessary!

Ariens has made this machine for 3 decades. I have no idea if this exhaust thing was an issue then or even 5 years ago -  maybe at some point they went to a different engine design or supplier and this problem suddenly appeared. Their solution was to tell the owner to shut off the engine every time they want to operate the diff lock. This is the lawyers tallking, not the engineers. If an owner can simply take one step sideways, grab the left grip with the right hand, and reach down to operate the lock with the engine running, HE WILL DO SO.

Ariens should recognise this, and that is why I contacted them. Simply telling the owner to shut the engine off is unacceptable, especially when a simple 5 minute deflector mod could eliminate the problem entirely.



Sir, to reiterate, your deflector does not "solve" the problem. It redirects the exhaust stream in a way that may cause you to be breathing carbon monoxide while the machine is running and moving forward, if I understand the picture.  The exhaust isn't just an incovenience: it's deadly. No one else should attempt this modification without serious consideration about the dangers of an unengineered approach.

The change in back pressure of the exhaust may not impact the performance of the engine. But you have not even used it to blow snow yet, have you? And you've heard from the Ariens engineering staff about the other considerations.

The new machines have completely resolved the problem . If it is so important to you, why not sell the machine and get one of the new models? It probably wouldn't cost you more than a few hundred dollars.

There is plenty of discourtesy and contempt in this thread already, on several fronts.  You have made your point: reiterating it again and again is not helpful or interesting.
JohnEDavies


Joined: Sep 7, 2004
Points: 177

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #19   Nov 20, 2005 12:20 pm
This is all very interesting and I had no idea my posts would stir up such a hotbed of emotion. It was NEVER my intent, which is one reason I resented being publicly called an idiot, for which that poster has not yet apologized....

Everyone is certainly welcome to voice their varied opinions. Mine is quite simply that the redirected CO isn't a factor in the outdoors. I did a similar mod on a Troybilt Horse rototiller and it worked fine and I never passed out or even noticed any additional fumes while in the garden, over a period of over 12  years. We will see with this one..

I will fully test my mod when I get a chance and make another post after the first snowstorm, regarding the exhaust.

Thanks for all the feedback.

John Davies
JohnEDavies


Joined: Sep 7, 2004
Points: 177

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #20   Nov 22, 2005 11:43 pm
The Ariens rep has stayed in the loop. While not condoning my mod in any way, he gave me this information which may be of help to owners of late model 926DLEs at least - I don't know about fitment on other models.

QUOTE:
I have been informed by the engine manufacturer, Tecumseh, that they
have a deflector available as a Service Part. The Tecumseh part
numbers
are as follows:

(1) 35428 Deflector

(4) 650760 Screws

Dave Miller
Ariens Technical / Warranty Service

UNQUOTE
John Davies
jubol


Location: Dover, De
Joined: Oct 3, 2003
Points: 1558

Re: SOLUTION: Ariens DLE blows exhaust in your face....
Reply #21   Nov 23, 2005 6:53 am
Hi,

If anyone buys that deflector for their Ariens 926, would you please post a Pic.

I have a 9HP  OHV Tec engine on a husky and want to see if the deflector would work on my blower or other blowers.

                                                Thanks

                                                                    Fred

Husqvarna STE927(11.5HP) snowblower,  MTD Pro Series 18/42 Lawnmower, MTD 6.5 HP  Self Prop Lawn Mower,  Weedeater 1500 Blower, Web Gensis  2000 
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