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more about dyson airblade? (Read 794 times)
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05/26/07 at 11:14am
"Dyson engineers thought blowing on hands might be an idea that didn't suck"
Carmine, the Airblade won't be on the market until September. Perhaps a price hasn't been set yet. The delay, however, may give time to makers of competing dryers to try to develop and rush to market a competing model.
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Hello Carl:
When the "Louse Buster" hit the newspapers and TV news shows several months ago [to rave reviews] it was kept under wraps. The price however was estimated for the USA market (due out this year) at about $1000. The delay is the legality process and procedure for an invention developed by a UK scientist in a USA University under a grant for bird studies. The target markets are schools, doctors' offices, and health clinics. Supposedly the louse buster (which comes in two models resembling tank type and canister vacuums) will revolutionize the treatment of head and hair lice and will allow no lost time from school and work. With none of the chemical hair treatments and the like that are currently marketed and used. Do you recall? Or were you on hiatus from the Forum then?
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I was on hiatus at the time, but I have heard of the new device for treating lice.
Price is normally determined by assessing market demand. Once you know the price, you can then estimate cost and determine if an item will be profitable to make. The demand for head-lice treatment is pretty well established, and the competing alternatives are known, so determining what sort of price that market can afford may not be that difficult. The Airblade fits an entirely new niche, and since there really aren't any competing items in the market, it is quite possible that more market research is required before an appropriate price can be set.
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06/01/07 at 6:23pm
Carl:
BS with "sugar-coated" words.
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06/03/07 at 3:22pm
Let me put it in another way for you. Headlice is a problem that has existing treaments. The costs for these treatments are known, thus, someone coming in to the market knows how much the market will bear. The market for the Airblade does not currently exist, and there are no competing products, nor is there an established price range. Selection of a proper price is not related to cost, but rather to perceived value. Before establishing a price, Dyson needs to determine what potential buyers are willing to spend. If they price it too high, they could doom it. If they price it too low, they could give up a lot of potential profit - and remember they need to make money to pay for 500 engineers.
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Carl:
I like your sense of humor and I agree with you too!
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My main point is that all too many people have the opinion that price is somehow related to cost, as if all product were marked up by the same amount. In fact, cost is not the way things are priced. At the grocery store milk and bread are sold close to cost, but placed in corners of the store so that you have to walk by highly marked up things like potato chips. Razors are sold at cost, while the blades carry a big markup. Cost does play a role, though. If the market says that the price should be such that it would be below cost, then the product will have to be re-thought.
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06/04/07 at 6:47am
Carl:
This post is alot different than your original which says you estimate the product cost after you determine the price. If that how's it's done, no wonder so many start up businesses go belly up in the first 5 years of operation. They don't know the costs of operation.
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Price is normally determined by assessing market demand. Once you know the price, you can then estimate cost and determine if an item will be profitable to make.
I thought perhaps you were trying to "punk" an old cost accountant for manufacturing. OR worse that you were having another "filters work better when dirty" moment. I'd like to see you sell that "wrong thinking" to the 36 dyson users who complained about dyson's false claims: "Never clogs never loses suction." Any comment on this latest event?
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I believe that the best way to do things is to try to accurately determine what price you can charge, and how many you can sell at that price, then compute what it will cost to produce at that volume. Then, and only then, can you decide whether or not to initiate production. You can accomplish more or less the same thing by computing cost first, then deciding if you can sell enough volume at a price that is higher than that. In both cases you estimate both the cost and the price before making a decision. There is little doubt that most people don't do it this way, and that the result is business failures. The problem with the cost-first approach is that it is more apt to lead to setting the selling price based on cost and forgoing potential profit.
As far as the "never loses suction" question, I don't know much about this new ruling. I know they have been sued based on that statement before, and won. I suspect that Dyson will revise the claims along the line of "so long as instructions are followed, it will never lose suction". It's a little messier as an advertising statement, but avoids the issue of the fact that if the user fails to follow instructions, and doesn't clean the pre-motor filter, it will eventually clog.
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I suspect that Dyson will revise the claims along the line of "so long as instructions are followed, it will never lose suction". It's a little messier as an advertising statement, but avoids the issue of the fact that if the user fails to follow instructions, and doesn't clean the pre-motor filter, it will eventually clog.
This is true for all vacuums. Now dyson has no claim to fame to distinguish it from the others and charge exorbitant prices under the guise of misrepresenting its vacuums' capabilities.
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