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Title: more about dyson airblade? Post by pickup on 09/30/06 at 4:21am http://www.fxmagazine.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=9&storycode=860&c=1 |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 09/30/06 at 8:46am This appeared yesterday and then disappeared. Now reappeared. What happened? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 09/30/06 at 9:03am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Ah, I saw this thread briefly yesterday; I wondered why it disappeared, there’s been a lot of retractions here in recent weeks, including Carmine, in as many minutes ;-) Dyson certainly seem to be going in many directions at the moment, which is fantastic to witness– gradually carving themselves out a reputation towards an innovative high-tech R&D powerhouse of the likes of Sony and others. So what’s this new product, almost certainly called ‘Airblade’. ‘What can you do in ten seconds, in a toilet’, nach ‘bathroom’ - not literally the WC …well here’s hoping! It’s likely something that they’ve discovered along the way during R&D, so fluid airflow seems a likely candidate. Efficient hand-drying is something that is ripe for innovation - in my understanding; a few key players control this market around the world. Are they trying to better the 10-15 seconds of these products? http://www.exceldryer.com/?gclid=CMrex5O11YcCFSazMAod_UNWRA http://www.worlddryer.com/AirMax.html Maybe, maybe not… blah - at least not too long to wait on this one. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 09/30/06 at 10:35am ;D I'm with you M00seUK on the new dyson product: You wash your hands in 10 seconds in the restroom. Instant hand sanitizer: Cleans and dries w/o soap, towels, and air hand dryers. At least that's my answer and I'm sticking with it. I posted this response yesterday to the message board but it never appeared and then the thread disappeared. RAT had a similar thought several weeks ago and posted on the Forum So I'm not the original thinker on this one. I'm borrowing from better minds than mine. Time will tell. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by old-timer on 09/30/06 at 1:33pm Hi You guys are really grasping at straws,dont you know it's the new nose hair trimmer with 6 stage root cyclone technology. :D O.T. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 09/30/06 at 6:59pm Well this sounds interesting! Have to see what happens on Tuesday! I take it, it's being launched in the UK!? |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by pickup on 10/01/06 at 3:30am looks that way from the site... pickup |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/01/06 at 8:09am I would think so too, since the USA has several liquid instant handsanitizer products on the market already. I don't know whether these hand products are available in the UK. Then again, it may not be this at all........... Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/01/06 at 8:53am Do you mean the alcohol-based hand washes, Carmine? We do have those, although I've never seen them used outside of hospitals. Anyway, looks like it is indeed going to be a hand drier, check this trademark filing :- Airblade Class 11: Apparatus for refrigerating; refrigerators and freezers; drying apparatus; hand dryers; tumble dryers; hairdryers; parts and fittings for all the aforesaid goods. http://www.patent.gov.uk/tm/t-find/t-find-number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2433428 Also, there's a new trademark 'STOWAWAY' - for DC12 perhaps? |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/01/06 at 9:08am M00seUK wrote:
Yes, but the prime ingredient is water: H20, hydrogen and oxygen like "air." And in the USA these products have been pervasive throughout all the work and home environments not just hospitals. For several years. In the USA these are portable plastic bottles in many sizes with a pump and/or squeeze out application (the kind that were banned recently for air travel although the ban was lifted). The product is poured and/or pumped into the hands and rubbed in for cleaning and drying. Sounds like dyson went hi tech with the simple practice by adding a mechanical dispenser and dryer with preset amounts and times for hand sanitizing usage specifically for restrooms. And of course he added a nice flashy technical name for it with a patent: Airblade. Then again, it may not be this at all................. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/01/06 at 11:44am Okay, bold prediction time again, on the quite likely presumption that this is a hand drier we’re talking about. For a while now, Dyson have expressed the desire to capitalise on their ‘digital motor’ design. It stands to reason that a high performance motor can deliver a lot of ‘blow’, as well as suction power. But what else is there to improve on? There’s two categories, some hand driers are pathetic, whereas other feel like they’re about to take off under their own propulsion! Okay, so get that airflow and defuse it to create a ‘blade’ of air, like with a hairdryer attachment or a vacuum hard floor tool in reverse and move your hands backwards and forwards through the airstream to remove the excess water. To provide a credible alterative the existing products, I’d say you’d be looking to improve on 1) Drying time 2) Unit size 3) Noise levels 4) Energy consumption. If so, it’ll be a challenging market to crack, the products and supply chains are already established with the installation / maintenance companies – but hey, you could have said the same years ago with vacuum cleaners. Being a well known brand helps, then getting the upmarket bars / clubs / hotels, etc. to insist on your brand. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/01/06 at 2:27pm In the USA, the restrooms in hotels, airports, airplanes, restaurants, gas stations will sometimes have the instant hand liquid sanitizer containers provided along side the usual water sinks, soap containers, and air dryers and/or hand towels. The product is very inexpensive and affordable. Most Americans I know carry the stuff with them. I do. In my car, briefcase, etc. The issues that many people have with public restrooms are the germs on the commonly used areas: like the door handles, sink faucets, toilet seats, and flush handles, towel and soap dispensers. Some users will not use the wash facilities and/or flush the toilets for fear of coming into contact with more germs than their own (there even is a phobia associated with this fear). Many USA public restrooms overcome these concerns in recent years with motion and light detector devices that automatically turn on water faucets, dispense towels, soap and/or flush without human intervention. This conserves water use and costs too: a huge concern for environmentalists. A mechanical device that automatically dispenses a set amount of the instant hand sanitizing cleanser (with lotion added to soften the hands), without using running water, and hastens the hand drying with a blower fan all in one 10 second process eliminates some of these concerns and costs. And is environmentally friendly for water conservationists. James is into that. Then again it could be something completely different............ Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/01/06 at 2:28pm Very good bold prediction M00seUK! It would not surprise me if it is that. I read an interview somewhere on the internet that Dyson hopes in a few years time that the cost of making/manufacturing his digital motor will come down and will be cheaper to produce and be the same price of a conventional motor more or less! I assume this will only happen if they capitalise on it! I'm surprised the Digital motor has not appeared in vacuum models such as the DC14 & DC15! But thats been discussed before! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/01/06 at 5:35pm JD wrote:
Hand driers/blowers are a conventional device in all USA restrooms already. And have been for many years. Am I missing something here with a "bold" prediction? I know from spending time in Germany MANY years ago that the conventional way to dry hands int he WC was using a cloth towel. I would think the WC's in the UK/Europe have progressed beyond that stage to paper towels and air dryers (like the USA). Am I wrong? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/01/06 at 6:09pm In my experience, North American facilities are comparable to the UK and also the places I’ve visited in Western Europe. The vast majority of high-traffic public places use wall-mounted hand ‘blowers’, with a small fraction using that continual-cloth-towel-on-a-roller thing. ‘blowers’ are also more common within new office blocks, but often complemented with a paper towel dispenser. The ‘World Drier’ mounts are fairly efficient (but noisy), the other types, generic brushed steel / plastic makes can take an age. Where I live, within London’s former docklands, almost everything is newly redeveloped for the financial industries, so the public restrooms are to a very high standard. They have in them hand driers of the type I’ve never seen anywhere else. They’re built into a cavity, so that they lie flush with the wall and the hot air shoots forward through a horizontal slit in the unit. All looks very nice, but they are absolutely useless – forget 10-15 seconds, more like 100 seconds for half dry hands! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by johncainltd on 10/02/06 at 1:20am old-timer wrote:
Sign me up! Ever since the gray hairs started comin in I've been sooooo depressed. ;D |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/02/06 at 11:07am For some reason I think it's going to be a Lawn Mower... :) |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/02/06 at 2:54pm Nice one Dyson Chris, the name sounds like it could of been a lawn mower! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by dualcyclone on 10/02/06 at 4:12pm Am I the only one who has spoken to the Dyson factory about the new Clothes Dryer? It goes along with the ContraRotator washing machine. The washer was never 'off the market' but was redesigned for the North American market (where front loading washers are the new 'rage' and are comanding high prices). |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/02/06 at 4:41pm I thought they would be developing a clothes dryer looking at the patent filed for it! If the ContraRotator was never 'off the market', why was it pulled from all the markets it was being sold and manufactoring stopped! High manufactoring cost I think was one reason! I know in the UK sales declined as it was thought to be too highly priced. Although UK 'Which' Mag gave it a excellent review! I was looking at getting one but was too late. I hope they re-launch it in the UK - the ContraRotator Washing Machine! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/02/06 at 6:15pm If you recall the video link from a month or so back, James D. talks about the need to make the washing machine less complex, to hit the right price point. There's some speculation that the machines had problems with damage to clothing, getting caught in between the spinning drums, but this is hard to substantiate. In any case, they'll have a challenge ahead - LG are staking their claim in washing innovation http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/lg_steamwash.htm Not personally fussed with a washing machine, but I'd likely buy in to the drier, if it's similar to some of the patents they've filed in this area - which is a much quicker, more energy efficient way to dry clothes. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/02/06 at 6:22pm M00seUK, I just bought one of those last week. And I had a box of Persil and Comfort fabric softener shipped here from the UK... http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/JPEG/MODERN/10-1-2006-13-27-15--Acerone.jpg LG Video (http://fp.vendaria.com/vpop/VpopV6.html?ct=5&ctname=CT630X510D630X390&fw=700&fh=500&logo=8&fv=8&ap=vnd_lgelectronics_steam_washer_wm2688h_homedepot&fl=sAApSBrSyvmqmqLqqvvv_other_EN003505000700.swf&purl=MAIN_lgelectronics_steam_washer_wm2688h_homedepot&iid=AddpfzJuvllqqqKlmLuJfwmvluKKJI&bg=D6D7A5&nm=BZOpener&curl=&err=0&title=Demo&pf=t&fr=t&tp=&BV_SessionID=&BV_EngineID=) |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/02/06 at 6:38pm Chris, looking fine together! Do washers and driers often have twins like this? Can't ever say I've ever noticed before. Is that stream feature as great as they say it is? |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/02/06 at 6:39pm I'm told those Direct Drive LG Washers are very good, so Dyson could well have a challenge ahead! The ContraRotator had 2 motors and 2 drive belts as well as a complex gear system! The Direct Drive LG's have attached the motor directly to the drum (as you can see on the link M00seUK has posted). |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/02/06 at 7:44pm M00seUK wrote:
Yes all washers sold in the US come with a the optional matching dryer. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/02/06 at 8:02pm With the merger of Whirlpool and Maytag, the new Whirlpool Company will have over 70 percent of the new USA domestic washer/dryer market. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/02/06 at 9:13pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Carmine, the new Samsung re-badged for Maytag Neptune has been discontinued from the Maytag line. I think it's only been on the market for 6 or so months. Now the new Neptune is make by Whirlpool. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 5:14am Vacuum cleaner manufacturer Dyson Ltd, has launched a new high speed hand dryer, the Dyson Airblade The Dyson Digital Motor produces an air stream flowing at 400mph. This unheated air is channeled through a 0.3 millimetre gap, no thicker than an eyelash. http://www.hemscott.com/news/latest-news/item.do?newsId=36483599828917 |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 5:22am When making my prediction the other day, I did wonder if perhaps it would be efficient enough to work with unheated air, which would save a lot of energy. I thought this unlikely, since with less evaporation, it would result in water droplets on the floor (if it took the form of a traditional hand drier). So is it enclosed? Photos and graphics soon, no doubt. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 6:05am M00seUK wrote:
Ah, even cleverer than that :- http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/images/f5785243d059f772fe899c98e6c8ba6a.jpg http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news.php?newsId=5009 |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 8:45am Very impressed with what I've read about Airblade, a fantastic product with a great opportunity. Even with the trials at public sites this year (labelled as the Kai-Don Airstrip!), they've managed to keep this announcement under their hat. Although I suspect someone tipped their competitors off at some stage, notice them trying to scrape some credibility with claims of 10-15 seconds with their latest models - I bet they're rightly worried. Unlike the introduction of Dyson's bagless vacuum back in the day, they've been witness to what can happen from an upstart with the right product with the right solution. Hat's off to all at Dyson who've been working on this, another inspirational product that looks like it might go far. http://www.dysonairblade.co.uk http://images.thesun.co.uk/picture/0,,2006460007,00.jpg http://www.itv.com/news/britain_79ecbe9197bf588f2e430f4c95e4ea7c.html http://www.channel4.com/news/special-reports/special-reports-storypage.jsp?id=3472 http://digital-lifestyles.info/display_page.asp?section=platforms&id=3733 http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006460005,00.html |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/03/06 at 8:53am Interesting but it's very commercial. I can't see it selling to the general public... |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/03/06 at 9:08am Dyson_Chris wrote:
Agreement from me. Tough market. The traditional hand air dryers/blowers are entrenched. Long product lifecycles. And many inexpensive options that are comparable and/or better. I'm underwhelmed. I am impressed with the name. And apparently so is IBM which has coined the term "bladecenter" for its servers. Here's an idea to drum up public support. Using the internet, dyson can have people submit their favorite photos and vote on the best. Then dyson can use the photos in the Airblade so users can be entertained while drying their hands. Every week/month the photos can be changed to keep the public interest and engaged. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 10:10am Nope, I’m steadyfast and optimistic for its prospects. Running a business in this day and age, as I do, you need to be open to new ways of thinking, which to me is the whole appeal of trendsetters like Dyson. Maybe when I’m in my later years, I’ll be a cranky old cynic, but for now… I can’t see any obvious flaws in the product, it’s self-contained, easy to install, doesn’t require any plumbing, energy efficient, is quick, very hygienic and almost fun to use. They’ve demonstrated a good business case for reducing costings and have it available under a leasing arrangement. It won’t been seen literally everywhere, many small independent places will carry on as before – but the pubs and bars near me (one of which has won national ‘loo of the year’ - no joke!) …well I can easily see them investing in this within the next 12 months. Dyson_Chris wrote:
Maybe missing the point, if the general public respond well and recognise it's benefits, it's still 'selling' to them - they're still the end users, even though they're not putting their hands in the pockets and buying it outright. For example, a private hospital might buy in to them to impress it's hygiene credentials on to it's paying clients. Carmine_Difazio wrote:
There's certainly many established, inexpensive options in this market, but there's nothing I know of that's approaching the level of Dyson's product. What other options are better? More cost effective? Can they be demonstrated against the cost comparison calculator on http://www.dysonairblade.co.uk/ ? Carmine_Difazio wrote:
Yep, off tangent time, but server blades are impressive - I fund my startup business by working alongside as a consultant for internet hosting companies and the 'blades' are a leap above what we had in the industry before. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/03/06 at 10:32am M00seUK: You didn't comment on my personal photos for the Airblade. I think it's a good selling feature and generates public interest. A recent esteemed study claims "cranky old cynics" (60 and above) are more intelligent than their "pie in the sky view" and younger peers. So you and others have something to look forward to when you reach my age. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by RAT on 10/03/06 at 10:36am The biggest fault I see with the design is the ergonomics of the slot in which one sticks her hands. To me it looks a little small with little room to rotate the arms. There are a lot of obese people who could potentially get their arms stuck in the slot or not be able to use the air blade because of the small opening. It's not clear that the Airblade would work effectively for someone with large arms either. In the US, we expect businesses to make special accomodations for handicapped individuals. It may be difficult for some handicapped individuals to use given the angle that the arms must enter as well as the height of the device. While the airblade may be energy efficient, due to ergonomic issues, the business owner may need to purchase a greater number of units to accommodate the different customer heights (i.e. child versus adult). If I were a gambling man, I would not bet on the success of the Airblade without modifications to make it more ergonomic. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Neil Watson on 10/03/06 at 10:56am Newbie poster, so please forgive me if link doesn't quite work as it should. More on www.fxmagazine.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=9&storycode=868&c=1 At the launch, James Dyson had his cuffs held in place with masking tape, and two "punks" burst into the demonstration area, attacked the dryers before being removed - excellent entertainment! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 10:56am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
I've seen similar before in restrooms, from small TV screens showing adverts, to still images projected behind, on to mirrored surfaces. Depends how you define intelligence - my engineer father (60+) designed and built his own garage and workshop in the last few years. He now spends his days building two working model steam trains in that garage. He's also a proficient computer programmer, when he's dabbled in the past. But ask him to send an e-mail (on an iMac no less) .. oh my ;-) Good write up of the Dyson event procedings here :- http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/03/tech/main2057515.shtml |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 10/03/06 at 12:47pm I'll be very interested to see how this goes. Much the same as those I criticize for paying little attention to their vacuum cleaners, I can't my recall having given much thought at all to hand dryers. You know, you walk into a men's room and they're there. I'm also unaware of an aggressive campaign to sell a specific brand of hand dryer before this. They may catch on for high-end public architectural schemes but I don't think the general public will take more notice than before. Though I like the design very much even though I still freak every time I see the ugly vacuum he's making, it may not be practical. Expanding on RAT's feeling, I think the "trough" is going to prove a major irritation to maintenance people who'll have to daily wipe out the residue from wet, drippy, possibly not well-rinsed hands to keep the thing looking good. It doesn't appear that you can just reach down into it and wipe it out. You'd have to bend to get into the thing sideways to clean it. Ease of clean-up may well affect possible takers' perception of its value. Ths devices salvation will hopefully be that it can turn on, dry and turn off in record time and thus bring about some worthwhile saving of energy. Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Mike_W. on 10/03/06 at 12:55pm IMHO, I can only see this selling to upscale hotels, restaurants, offices. I doubt that you will see this in an average steakhouse or Kmart/Target/Walmart. This will take up more space in smaller restrooms. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/03/06 at 3:43pm Hats off and a very well done to Sir James Dyson and his very talented Team of Engineers and Scientists! They have done it again, re-invented another product that is used by every day people! That Dyson Digital motor is certainly having it's uses and a very much invested piece of technology they engineered and designed. I'm sure Dyson will use over and over again in many new Dyson products and possibly else where! (I did hear him say on a web video link that they are already pass the next version of the digital motor and working on 3rd version of it already). Thinking about it this sort of air or a blade of air could be useful as an alterative to dry pots and pans in a dishwasher!? I'm surprised Dyson has not used this Anti-microbial that the Airbladed is infused with on the dirt bins or the cyclone parts of his vacuum cleaners! May be in the new products! Although most Dyson users empty the bins often! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 10/03/06 at 4:14pm Better dishwashers, Kitchen Aid for one, have had forced air drying for more than the last twenty years. Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/03/06 at 4:45pm Need I say more. I just read that this technic of hand drying is very common in Asia. http://global.mitsubishielectric.com/bu/handdryer/what/index_b.html |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/03/06 at 5:58pm Looks the same, but surely the Dyson Airblade is different looking at product on the website, different technology applied surely! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 10/03/06 at 6:04pm So that make Sir Dyson's idea much less original. Wonder who'll be suing whi now. Anyway -- you don't need as many paper or cloth towels though, place of use considered, the like will always be necessary. But what about energy consumption? Has any data been put out that in plain and simple numbers shows a marked saving of money or is this just a trade-off? Less paper towels and trash versus a bigger electric bill plus repairs. Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/03/06 at 6:09pm I wouldn't say less of an original idea! It's how they have applied a new technology to it and the new technology inside the airblade as well! I'm sure Dyson has researched what is already on all the different markets to see what is out there and before they pateneted the new idea and technology! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/03/06 at 6:17pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
Interesting stuff, that. Shape is almost identical, uses air nozzels in place of 'blades' and needs to be empted of waste water on a regular basis. Doesn't appear to offer any health benefits in filtering the air, but does claim a drying time of 5 to 6 seconds. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/03/06 at 6:26pm Dyson Airblade seems to go that one bit further offering better health benefits! The Airblade needs no plumbing in! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/03/06 at 10:53pm I contacted 3 websites that like to feature gadgets etc and all 3 posted info about the launch of the new airblade. http://mocoloco.com http://www.gizmodo.com http://www.engadget.com anyway... I was thinking if Dyson designed the airblade for drying hands why can't they use it in a dryer for drying laundry.... |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 10/04/06 at 11:51am Carmine_Difazio wrote:
What you are missing, Carmine, is that current American hand dryers are disgustingly unsanitary. Try this experiment. Take a clean plate, put some clean water on it, then dry it under a hand dryer. When the water has evaporated, you will find that the plate is covered with urine crytals. How did these come to be there? Simple - the air dryer deposited them there from the air in the room. When I use a restroom, I will not use a standard air dryer, even if that is the only drying choice. The air-blade, by contrast, appears to be sanitary. It removes the bulk of the air by a squeegee effect, rather than evaporation. It also HEPA filters the air, unlike a conventional dryer, so it will not blow filthy air onto your hands. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/04/06 at 11:59am Thanks CPro. My preference is the self-drying hand sanitizer. I use it all the time and carry it with me where ever I go. You probably missed my post stating this. I note that even public restrooms are offering this option along with the traditional hand cleaning facilities. Probably due to the affordability and availability of the hand sanitizing product. Thank you for the opportunity to clarify your misunderstanding and misinformation concerning my hand cleaning habits. BTW, when I used the restrooms in the White House, I admit I did take some of the paper hand towels with the Presidential seal. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 10/04/06 at 12:54pm Carmine_Difazio wrote:
My last post was not concerning your personal drying habits. Rather it was concerning the post that I am again quoting to refresh your memory. Certainly you were correct when you stated that "Hand driers/blowers are a conventional device in all USA restrooms already." As I pointed out, they are also an unsanitary solution. You apparently agree with me on that, since you apparently do not use them either. In other posts which you have made since this post you correctly compare the Dyson Airblade to other sanitizing solutions, but in this particular post, you erroneously compared it to conventional blowers. I'm glad that you were able to answer your own question "Am I missing something here...", and I apologize for bringing up an error that you have since corrected. Getting back to the product itself, I have no idea if it will sell, but I know that I would find a drying solution along these lines to be a more acceptable solution that conventional dryers, whether manufactured by Dyson, or some other makers. I would like nothing more than to see the conventional blowers gone from the market. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/04/06 at 1:03pm cprohman wrote:
I was reading somewhere, that Dyson worked with leading academics to evaluate the hygiene of traditional hand driers. As a direct result of the findings, everyone involved on the project immediately stopped using them. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by pickup on 10/04/06 at 5:03pm found a video review of it up here: http://www.youtube.com/v/cwijeag-tp0 pickup |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/04/06 at 6:10pm CPro: Due to the unsanitary conditions of using washing facilities like faucets and towel machines and air/hand dryers, as I pointed out in my posts which you must have missed, many USA restrooms use motion sensors to activate and time the washing and drying usage. Even hand towels. And some even offer the hand sanitizer as another option along side the traditional methods. (My preference). AND I suggested in response to the launch that a hand sanitizer that combined washing and drying would be an excellent invention for the dyson Airblade. Conserve water. Cost effective. Etc etc. I was wrong on my prediction for the Airblade because I was overestimating dyson's invention. BUT I got the answer to the dyson question right: What do you do for 10 seconds in the restroom: Wash your hands! Did you weigh in on that question? ;) Thank you again for the opportunity to clarify your misunderstanding and misinformation on my prediction for the dyson Airblade launch. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/04/06 at 6:17pm pickup wrote:
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by tiger21 on 10/04/06 at 11:43pm 400 MPH air at room tempature, cost $1027 or 549 English pounds. WInshield washer style action. hands dry in 10 seconds. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by talktotravis on 10/04/06 at 11:58pm I think the Airblade is a fabulous idea. As a Registered Nurse, I am all for anything that improves sanitation and/or encourages handwashing (you would be surprised to see how many people don't do this at all). My only concern: it still doesn't help me with the door. The majority of bathrooms in the United States (and elsewhere, I assume) have doors that open inward. I remember one of the first things I learned in Nursing school, and indeed, one of the questions on NCLEX (national nursing exam) deals with this. If one touches the faucet or doorhandle after having washed their hands, they fail that particular question--the correct procedure is to use a paper towel to shut off the faucet and open the bathroom door. For this reason alone, the appeal of the Airblade (and other hand dryers) will continue to be limited in healthcare facilities. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/05/06 at 8:26am Many new public restroom facilities do not have doors and/or have doors that do not require opening and closing by the patrons but stay open all the time. Instead the restrooms use a walkthrough corridor to the toilet facilities to allow privacy from walking traffic and prohibit restroom viewing. Precisely for the reason you state. Avoidance of germs. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by pickup on 10/05/06 at 10:16am OK, this should work. You get to see Dyson himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU5EdWwpySc |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/05/06 at 10:25am pickup wrote:
Now that's nice... Thanks.... |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/05/06 at 3:54pm Few other interesting video clips about Dyson on there!! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/05/06 at 5:07pm Mark my words: If Dyson ever comes out with a clothes dryer James will use something similar to the AirBlade too dry the laundry.... |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/05/06 at 5:35pm I second that one Dyson Chris! I have thought of others ways the Airblade could be used apart from a clothes dryer! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 10/05/06 at 6:02pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
Doesn't sound as practical as one of the Dyson patents, that describes using an efficient motor to create a 'pressure cooker' type arrangement to speed up the process. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 10/05/06 at 6:15pm M00seUK wrote:
Thanks, MOOseUK. That finding doesn't surprise me in the least, nor I suppose does the ignorance of some other posters here. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/05/06 at 6:46pm As well as the Airblade and can see Dyson entering into new fields/product area's as: Washing Machine - relaunch Clothers dryer Fridges and Freezers Ironing machine or reinvent the iron and ironing board! Robotic Vacuum Cleaner - update of the never launched DC06! Carpet washer Dish Washer and using the Dyson Digital motor in other area's as well! Or newer/different versions of the digital motor! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/05/06 at 7:34pm cprohman wrote:
Thanks, MOOseUK. That finding doesn't surprise me in the least, nor I suppose does the ignorance of some other posters here. [/quote] To date based on my personal experience, all the mens' public restrooms in the casinos in Las Vegas use paper towels by hand feeding and/or motion detector activation. Both methods are available to the male patrons at their discretion. None of these restrooms have air/hand dryers. At least in all the ones I've seen so far. Also, none of the public mens' restrooms have doors. Instead the corridor method of entrance to access the facilities is used. The hand washing and drying facilities are segregated in separate rooms away from the toilets. FAR AWAY. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 10/06/06 at 6:36pm Carmine, Forget the hand dryers. Did you win anything? Venson :) |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/06/06 at 7:27pm guess_who wrote:
Yes, at every casino so far. :) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by VacOMatic on 10/07/06 at 10:40pm The use of cold compressed air for drying hands has been a staple of California rest stops for many years. But the dryers are very simple trapezoid shapes with a pushbutton on the front and small grille on the bottom. They do not offer the "dual side" and narrow slit opening approach the Airblade does. One problem is compressed air drivers are by nature very noisy. If Dyson has some acoustic absorption grillework within the airblade drying chamber, that would go a long way towards quieting the operation. A comment on Youtube, though, suggested this style of airdrier has been around for a while in Japan and China! The piezo water vaporizer Dyson has in his model, though, could be unique. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/10/06 at 8:53am Canada has the AirBlade before us :) |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JD on 10/10/06 at 3:47pm Airblade now available on the French Dyson Website! |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by old-timer on 10/10/06 at 4:16pm How can dyson keep introducing new machines ,when 95% of the vacuum dealers cant get parts for the older machines? anyone have a legit reason why? at least sanitaire outer bags are still around after all these years...... O.T. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/10/06 at 7:16pm Not sure how Dysons going about this but right now it looks like Dyson is handling all AirBlade sells or request. Not sure if they will let us dealers carry them.... |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/21/06 at 4:22pm Another online video demo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rw4R6hcJns |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/21/06 at 7:03pm Chris: Interesting. What is the price? Here's a factoid I found interesting: YouTube had over ONE BILLION hits last month. 12 months ago it had zero. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 7:18pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
What no coin slot ;D O.T. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by M00seUK on 05/24/07 at 2:30pm http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_5952356 Details of a Dyson Airblade trial on in the US at the moment. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/25/07 at 6:55am M00seUK wrote:
The one detail that has escaped posting and publicity is the Air Blade price. Rather important one too. Giving them away to get into the market is a double edged sword. Why? Everyone expects them for free if one gets them for free. Dyson would have been better served to keep that fact secret with AMC (by signing a confidentiality agreement). People using Air Blades can love them to their hands content, but they ain't buying and paying for them (save thru end product and services' prices). Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 05/26/07 at 11:14am "Dyson engineers thought blowing on hands might be an idea that didn't suck" Carmine, the Airblade won't be on the market until September. Perhaps a price hasn't been set yet. The delay, however, may give time to makers of competing dryers to try to develop and rush to market a competing model. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 05/26/07 at 2:02pm Hello Carl: When the "Louse Buster" hit the newspapers and TV news shows several months ago [to rave reviews] it was kept under wraps. The price however was estimated for the USA market (due out this year) at about $1000. The delay is the legality process and procedure for an invention developed by a UK scientist in a USA University under a grant for bird studies. The target markets are schools, doctors' offices, and health clinics. Supposedly the louse buster (which comes in two models resembling tank type and canister vacuums) will revolutionize the treatment of head and hair lice and will allow no lost time from school and work. With none of the chemical hair treatments and the like that are currently marketed and used. Do you recall? Or were you on hiatus from the Forum then? Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 06/01/07 at 3:32pm I was on hiatus at the time, but I have heard of the new device for treating lice. Price is normally determined by assessing market demand. Once you know the price, you can then estimate cost and determine if an item will be profitable to make. The demand for head-lice treatment is pretty well established, and the competing alternatives are known, so determining what sort of price that market can afford may not be that difficult. The Airblade fits an entirely new niche, and since there really aren't any competing items in the market, it is quite possible that more market research is required before an appropriate price can be set. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/01/07 at 6:23pm Carl: BS with "sugar-coated" words. ;D Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 06/03/07 at 3:22pm Let me put it in another way for you. Headlice is a problem that has existing treaments. The costs for these treatments are known, thus, someone coming in to the market knows how much the market will bear. The market for the Airblade does not currently exist, and there are no competing products, nor is there an established price range. Selection of a proper price is not related to cost, but rather to perceived value. Before establishing a price, Dyson needs to determine what potential buyers are willing to spend. If they price it too high, they could doom it. If they price it too low, they could give up a lot of potential profit - and remember they need to make money to pay for 500 engineers. ;) |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/03/07 at 6:57pm Carl: I like your sense of humor and I agree with you too! Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 06/03/07 at 10:07pm My main point is that all too many people have the opinion that price is somehow related to cost, as if all product were marked up by the same amount. In fact, cost is not the way things are priced. At the grocery store milk and bread are sold close to cost, but placed in corners of the store so that you have to walk by highly marked up things like potato chips. Razors are sold at cost, while the blades carry a big markup. Cost does play a role, though. If the market says that the price should be such that it would be below cost, then the product will have to be re-thought. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/04/07 at 6:47am Carl: This post is alot different than your original which says you estimate the product cost after you determine the price. If that how's it's done, no wonder so many start up businesses go belly up in the first 5 years of operation. They don't know the costs of operation. :o cprohman wrote:
I thought perhaps you were trying to "punk" an old cost accountant for manufacturing. OR worse that you were having another "filters work better when dirty" moment. I'd like to see you sell that "wrong thinking" to the 36 dyson users who complained about dyson's false claims: "Never clogs never loses suction." Any comment on this latest event? ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 06/04/07 at 11:56am I believe that the best way to do things is to try to accurately determine what price you can charge, and how many you can sell at that price, then compute what it will cost to produce at that volume. Then, and only then, can you decide whether or not to initiate production. You can accomplish more or less the same thing by computing cost first, then deciding if you can sell enough volume at a price that is higher than that. In both cases you estimate both the cost and the price before making a decision. There is little doubt that most people don't do it this way, and that the result is business failures. The problem with the cost-first approach is that it is more apt to lead to setting the selling price based on cost and forgoing potential profit. As far as the "never loses suction" question, I don't know much about this new ruling. I know they have been sued based on that statement before, and won. I suspect that Dyson will revise the claims along the line of "so long as instructions are followed, it will never lose suction". It's a little messier as an advertising statement, but avoids the issue of the fact that if the user fails to follow instructions, and doesn't clean the pre-motor filter, it will eventually clog. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/04/07 at 12:53pm cprohman wrote:
This is true for all vacuums. Now dyson has no claim to fame to distinguish it from the others and charge exorbitant prices under the guise of misrepresenting its vacuums' capabilities. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by cprohman on 06/04/07 at 3:36pm I disagree. It isn't true for any bagged vacuum. Bagged vacuums start with full suction, then lose that scution steadily until the bag is replaced, at which point they have full suction again. It isn't true of vacuums with pleated filters. Those lose suction steadily, regaining some when you beat the filter, but full suction isn't restored until they filter is replaced. By contrast, the Dyson starts at a level, gains suction as dirt is added, then slowly loses it, but always stays above the initial level, unless you fail to clean the pre-motor filter. With Dyson the only time suction falls below the initial suction level is if you fail to clean the filter as recommended, and that is not true of other vacuums. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/04/07 at 6:20pm Carl: But suction alone does not an upright vacuum make. Now especially true of dyson too. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by mmc on 06/05/07 at 10:07am www.dysonairblade.com |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by TurboACE on 06/15/07 at 10:41am I travel quite a bit for business and was in Minneapolis Airport earlier this week. I had read here that they had installed the Airblade in restrooms there for a test. I just happened to go into the bathroom at the entrance to concourse E and saw an AirBlade. I took a pic with my cell phone to post, but I deleted by mistake. The reason I took the pic was because there was a big "OUT OF ORDER" note taped to it. I pulled up the note and stuck my hads in, and nothng happened. What I did notice was that the "inside" of the unit was all caked with water deposit marks and was really messy. Obviously the staff at establishments is going to have to learn to clean these new devices if they make it to market; something that they are not used to cleaning now since I can not think of a hand dryer that would require cleaning. Just thought I would post my observations. I'm due to go to MSP again in just a few weeks, I'll have to look and see what the status is at that time. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Venson Thomas on 06/18/07 at 5:34pm Hi, I think I mentioned a good while back that maintenance of the Air Blade would be a problem. Its design though great to look at didn't give me the feeling that janitorial staff were going to be thrilled about having to wipe out the well underneath the drying slot. Since this device is reported not to use heated air but high pressure air force instead to "squeegee" water of your hands there's probably not much of the water on wet hands is actually being evaporated. I can't imagine any way around the problem unless you mount the machine upside down meaning users would push their hands up into the drying slot instead of down. Gravity would hopefully deal with residual moisture. Jut wanted to mention that the Air Blade has very recently been covered again by USA Today online . . . Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/19/07 at 7:27am Venson Thomas wrote:
Do indeed remember. Here's the relevent excerpt: guess_who wrote:
And an excerpt from RAT's: RAT wrote:
Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by JimB on 06/19/07 at 11:21am http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2007-06-17-dyson-usat_N.htm?csp=34 Quick article on the airblade in th USA today. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Venson Thomas on 06/19/07 at 11:25am Thanks Carmine! Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by old-timer on 06/19/07 at 6:11pm Oh Well,with all the money that was spent on this experiment,it looks like the designers are going to have to put a paint job on it maybe some ghost flames as pawn it off as a high performance tissue dispenser.Yes Dyson you really out did yourself with this one.Can i have the award money now :D O.T. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Venson Thomas on 06/19/07 at 6:19pm Hi O.T., My only problem with this Dyson doo-dad is that when think, "What will they think of next," I get awful scared. Regards, Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by old-timer on 06/19/07 at 6:36pm Hi Venson,with a great mind such as yours im sure the Dyson foundation can spare a few million to you ,just to say that your on their team, :D. B.T.W. hows the combination television, dinner tray, your working on.I cant wait to see how that goes over,and if it bombs so what it was not your money anyways,at least you tried and at least the vacuum division can bail out the home gadget department. And I just introduced my NEW product to the market,it sucks up liquids of counter tops.I call it a paper towel.And at 9.95 plus shipping the consumers should be buying this product by the container load.I'll be rich i say RICH :o :o :o O.T. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 06/19/07 at 6:44pm O.T.! From your mouth to God's ear. Imagine lunch, a beer AND a ball game all in your lap on a Saturday afternoon. That's an idea that would definitely do Dyson some good. Somebody's gonna steal it just you wait and see. Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by old-timer on 06/19/07 at 6:57pm No Way nobodys going to steal my invention,I have the best of lawyers and 4 pitbulls protecting my product. Dont you have your invention protected also? O.T. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson INVENTS BIG on 06/20/07 at 9:08pm http://dysonairblade.com/images/airblade_placeholder.jpg (http://dysonairblade.com)<click Dyson I N V E N T S BIG |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 06/21/07 at 2:17pm Not that I go around thinking about hand dryers every day and not that the demo isn't cute -- it's just too cut-and-dried. Almost a law of Nature, wet hands and, on numerous occasions I'll warrant, not well-rinsed wet hands will be going into this device and splattered water and soap residue will collect because there's no place for it to go. AND there is no practical manner in Dyson can make it self cleaning. A possibly little known fact is that the larger part of the building maintence work force is not in love with their jobs. They're in it for the money. Housekeeping is just not all that wonderful or fascinating. In light of numerous tasks in need of daily attention, I think you'll be hard pressed to find even supervisory personnel prepared to stay on their staff's back about being meticulous in the cleaning of merely a hand dryer and of which there may be several installed throughout a building. It's one thing to give something a quick wipe-down as opposed to an involved routine to keep it looking good. Regards, Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by guess_who on 06/21/07 at 2:55pm I forgot to mention -- the claim used in the ad in regard your hands being exposed to only HEPA purified air is a bit much. There is little importance to it since HEPA is to be noted for finite particle not bacterial retention. On top of that, whatever bacteria captured is not killed. So what is the purpose? What's needed is a low maintenance device that will cut the owners cost on paper or cloth toweling. There's nothing revolutionary happening just a new spin on something we've already got. Furthermore, instead of ads, the argument would be muc better won with the presentation of significant numbers regarding energy savings over standard devices and the saving of time maintenancewise. No matter how well the AirBlade may or may not work, if its proving to be a nuisance to clean means that it's allowed to get grungy and thus unattractive to users where's teh benefit? Venson |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/21/07 at 7:15pm I took the liberty to repost the USA Today link about the dyson airblade which my friend JimB posted earlier. Why? If you scroll down, there are 24 readers' comments are included to date and growing. Thought Forum readers might enjoy the insight of others regarding the latest dyson invents BIG ..................fill in your own word(s). Im sure some of these 24 would fill in with very interesting descriptions. ;) http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2007-06-17-dyson-usat_N.htm?csp=34 Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Dyson INVENTS BIG on 06/22/07 at 4:02am Airblade news and - 10m Dysons sold in last 3 years... http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/07/06/12/10131686.html http://www.ameinfo.com/122256.html Dyson I N V E N T S BIG |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 06/22/07 at 7:34am I took the liberty to excerpt this from the UK dyson article, thank you for the data: "Total number of Dyson vacuum cleaners sold worldwide since 1993 is more than 20 million (2006). 10 million of these were sold in the last three years. Two thirds of sales are now outside of our home market, the UK. Overall growth in export sales of 44 per cent (2005)." Since 10 million dyson vacuums (before returns) have sold worldwide in the last 3 years, I opined several times on this Forum (and still) that dyson has not sold ONE million units in the USA in one year. Considering that OVER 20 MILLION new vacuums are sold each year in the USA and have been for many years, dyson's unit volume share is not even FIVE PERCENT of total yearly new vacuum sales in the USA. After more than 3 years in the USA. Any wonder that dyson presents sales in dollar volume while the rest of the vacuum companies present data in unit sales? The vacuum industry for the last 50 years has always presented data on sales in unit volume, not dyson: Dollar volume. Also of interest to me to note, dyson's 2006 financial results will be released this summer according to the article's author. Almost 6 months after the close of the calendar year. Just dyson results. But the NPD can post results for the entire industry in the USA for the 3 months ended April 2007 in June? Sorry. You have to show me what the numbers mean and measure before I begin to believe them. Still no response back from NPD on my question about their numbers. ;) Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: more about dyson airblade? Post by Carmine_Difazio on 07/11/07 at 12:19pm Here's a new bathroom gadget from Kimberly-Clark: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070711/auto_toilet_paper.html Some specs about the automatic toilet paper dispenser that I like: Never have to touch. Price is $30-$50. Very affordable for home and office use. Conserves TP--a good thing for the environment and cost cutting. Manual overrides to operate if the automatic dispenser malfunctions. Over a year in the making from K-C. Carmine D. |
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