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Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only (Read 4476 times)
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Re: Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only
Reply #150 - 07/07/07 at 9:28pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 5:28pm:
Quote from JimB on 07/07/07 at 1:36pm:



This answers my question from another thread.  You posted this guys review on multiple threads again.  I for one am shocked that an Oreck dealer would criticize dyson.   Wink



And you my friend are a dyson dealer.  So everything balances out.  Having bought and used NEW ORECKS and dysons, I am not the least bit surprised that Mark, a vacuum professional of utmost integrity and sincerity, does not like dyson vacuums and prefers Oreck (and other vacuum brands) over dyson.  Why?  I do too.  And both Mark and I have criticized dysons for alot of the same reasons.  His commentary is very straight forward and balanced.  If you disagree with his criticisms, post the reasons.  Don't impugn the poster.  Unless of course, you don't have solid grounds and bases for disagreement.

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A professional is one who is paid to perform a service.  Do not confuse professional with being knowledgable.  A car salesman is a professional.  Most could not replace the air filter in the autos they sell.
 
I tried the Oreck and Dyson the same as you Carmine.  I chose Dyson and you chose Oreck.  Does that mean that Oreck is the best simply because you chose it?  I think we all know the truth and we also know your answer.  The Oreck is a very good electric broom.  That is why it works better on your carpet.
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Reply #151 - 07/07/07 at 9:58pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 5:28pm:
 Having bought and used NEW ORECKS and dysons, I am not the least bit surprised that Mark, a vacuum professional of utmost integrity and sincerity, does not like dyson vacuums and prefers Oreck (and other vacuum brands) over dyson.  Why?  I do too.  And both Mark and I have criticized dysons for alot of the same reasons.  His commentary is very straight forward and balanced.  If you disagree with his criticisms, post the reasons.  Don't impugn the poster.  Unless of course, you don't have solid grounds and bases for disagreement.

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Does not like dyson but prefers other brands?  Mark's first line is "The Dyson bagless vacuum is the top selling Bagless vacuum in the United States. England and Australia. Its far supieror to the Eureka, Bissel, Hoover and Kenmore bagless."
 
He IMHO is your typical Oreck dealer who makes all his money selling bags and his "review" not surprisingly reflects that.   As with many Oreck dealers he most likely sells new Orecks almost exclusively.  At my last check Orecks were the only machines he was selling from his ebay online "superstore".  
 
I do find it funny that you find the opinion of an oreck only dealer is "very straight forward and balanced" despite straight forward untrue statements, but the opinion of a dealer who sells dyson as a small portion of his business his constantly criticized for having opinions shaped by the bottom line.  The hypocrisy does not happen to be tied to his being critical of dyson and sharing your opinion?
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Reply #152 - 07/07/07 at 10:19pm
 
Quote from JimB on 07/07/07 at 9:58pm:



I do find it funny that you find the opinion of an oreck only dealer is "very straight forward and balanced" despite straight forward untrue statements, but the opinion of a dealer who sells dyson as a small portion of his business his constantly criticized for having opinions shaped by the bottom line.  The hypocrisy does not happen to be tied to his being critical of dyson and sharing your opinion?

 
JimB:
 
Apparently you are still proned to respond without reading completely.  Here is the part you missed from Mark's commentary about dysons:
 
"If you are still interested in getting a Dyson,  you really do want a bagless upright, with the best attachments on the market, Go for the Dyson DC15 Animal, It has more power than the DC07 or DC14."
 
Sounds like a resounding endorsement and a well-balanced review for an ORECK-only dealer.   Wink
 
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Reply #153 - 07/07/07 at 10:34pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 07/07/07 at 9:28pm:


I tried the Oreck and Dyson the same as you Carmine.  I chose Dyson and you chose Oreck.  Does that mean that Oreck is the best simply because you chose it?  I think we all know the truth and we also know your answer.  The Oreck is a very good electric broom.  That is why it works better on your carpet.

 
Hello HARDSELL:
 
Glad to have you back.  Here's what I did to test the performance of the dyson DC07 pink, ORECK XL Classic and HOOVER WT Supreme with imbedded dirt finder light.
 
In the same house having the same carpets, I asked the homeowner to use the ORECK XL Classic on the carpets on the first floor, as he would normally.  Then I asked him to use the DC07 pink on the same carpets upstairs as he normally would do for vacuuming.  For one week.  Then I went back and vacuumed with my HOOVER WT Supreme.  He witnessed.  
 
Without exception, without exception, the red dirt light did not come on when I used the HOOVER WT Supreme on the first floor carpets (vacuumed for one week with the ORECK).  Quite a different case for the upstairs carpets vacuumed with the dyson DC07 pink: The HOOVER WT Supreme red light came on and stayed on for long periods of vacuuming time before the green light came on.  (The dyson DC07 pink was used to vacuum the upstairs carpets).
 
Then, I asked the homeowner to change vacuums using the dyson downstairs and the ORECK upstairs for one week.  And I returned with the HOOVER WT Supreme and vacuumed.  Same result as before.  The dyson vacuumed carpets were not clean (as evidenced by the red dirt light being on) and ORECK vacuumed carpets were clean (as evidenced by the green light).  Easy rug test to do.
 
BTW, one of the complaints the user had about the dyson:  He couldn't get all the dirt and pet hair out of the bin.  He had to stick his hands up into it to clean out.
 
On another note on the VIZIO TV's you were exactly right.  The 42 inch sets are returned in unusually high numbers.  COSTCO confirmed that to me.  As a result it recommends the 50 inch model and claims it to be one of the best for the money (about $1500).   Smiley
 
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Re: Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only
Reply #154 - 07/07/07 at 10:39pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 10:19pm:
Quote from JimB on 07/07/07 at 9:58pm:



I do find it funny that you find the opinion of an oreck only dealer is "very straight forward and balanced" despite straight forward untrue statements, but the opinion of a dealer who sells dyson as a small portion of his business his constantly criticized for having opinions shaped by the bottom line.  The hypocrisy does not happen to be tied to his being critical of dyson and sharing your opinion?


JimB:

Apparently you are still proned to respond without reading completely.  Here is the part you missed from Mark's commentary about dysons:

"If you are still interested in getting a Dyson,  you really do want a bagless upright, with the best attachments on the market, Go for the Dyson Dc15 Animal, It has more power than the DC07 or DC14."

Sounds like a resounding endorsement.   Wink

Carmine D.



 
And you and I both know that the DC15 has less suction power than the DC07 and DC14.  So your hero vacuum professional either has no understanding of how Dyson warranty service works (unless he is misleading) and is wrong (or misleading) on a thing as fundamental as suction power.  Should we go for strike three for mr. "very straight forward and balanced".
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Reply #155 - 07/07/07 at 10:45pm
 
Yes my friend JimB, but it has a much better brush roll.  And suction alone does not a clean carpet make.  It takes agitation from a good brush roll too.  Something the DC07 and DC14 lacks.  Hence dyson improved the brush roll on the DC15, 17, 18 and 21, and lowered the suction.  Wink
 
Anymore questions?
 
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Reply #156 - 07/07/07 at 10:50pm
 
Exactly as we both know, unfortunately your expert still thinks the DC15 has more power than the DC07 and DC14.  Oh and by the way he thinks the only way to have your Dyson serviced under warranty is to ship it for $40 (each way) to dyson.  Glad we are clear that in both he is incorrect.
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Reply #157 - 07/07/07 at 10:52pm
 
Are you sure you don't work for NPD?  Your posts make about as much sense as their marketshare numbers.  None.  Please speak for yourself and not me when you do.
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Reply #158 - 07/07/07 at 11:01pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 10:52pm:
Are you sure you don't work for NPD?  Your posts make about as much sense as their marketshare numbers.  None.  
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Crosstalking across threads is a little dishonest in my book as it purposely leaves out info so here is the link to NPD the company USA Today used to source marketshare data so readers can decide if thier marketshare numbers or your "feelings" should be trusted more for nationwide accuracy.
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Reply #159 - 07/07/07 at 11:07pm
 
Quote from JimB on 07/07/07 at 11:01pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 10:52pm:
Are you sure you don't work for NPD?  Your posts make about as much sense as their marketshare numbers.  None.  
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Carmine D.


Crosstalking across threads is a little dishonest in my book as it purposely leaves out info so here is the link to NPD the company USA Today used to source marketshare data so readers can decide if thier marketshare numbers or your "feelings" should be trusted more for nationwide accuracy.  

 
And JimB I would add that not explaining what the numbers mean and measure insults readers' intelligence.  Especially if specifically asked to do so.  Makes me think the numbers are meaningless and self-serving.  Unless you care to explain them to the Forum?  I asked several times but got no responses.  What do you think the numbers mean and measure?  Please, I'm all eyes and ears.  We're all eyes and ears.  Do what the NPD couldn't do when asked.  Tell us what the 3 month NPD vacuum sales percentages mean and how they are derived.
 
And I'll remind you that dyson has failed to reach ONE MILLION units sold in the USA in a vacuum market that consistently sells 20 MILLION new vacuums a year.  And if you want to be honest why not post that link too along with the NPD.   Wink  6 million is the number sold in last 3 years outside the UK [which sold 4 MILLION].  That's 2 MILLION a year spread over 50 plus countries other than the UK.  And that's for dyson's best selling years and after 5 years of exported sales.
 
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