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Re: Dyson / ASA Lawsuit
Reply #10 - 07/17/07 at 12:49pm
 
Hey JimB:
 
You are living proof of what I have said on this Forum over and over again.  Where you stand depends on where you sit.  If you really believe that the ASA ruling and decisions against dyson are insignificant and inconsequential for dyson and can be covered up with words, you and others who do are living by yourselves in a huge state of denial.  
 
The ASA ruling is a major blow to the dyson brand name.  Retailers and dyson have already taken actions to implement the ruling's decisions and "scrub" the false and misleading claims from dyson ads.  Why?  Minimize legal liability and fall out against them and dyson, following the ASA ruling.
 
The subsequent implications for dyson in the USA are catastrophic.  The very real possibility and likelihood of a class action lawsuit isn't the only consequence for dyson.  The dyson name brand is severely impugned and tarnished forever.  Dyson has to deal with the negative impact of this on their products and sales.  And it can't do it by using words alone, no matter how technical and scientific.
 
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Reply #11 - 07/18/07 at 5:44pm
 
Once again we are not talking about opinion here.  When you say this european ASA opinion on wording in one tv commercial in england is "mandating" change in US retailers wording it is dishonest.  When you imply the ASTM is performing and conducting testing on any product it is dishonest.  Not covering up with words at all, I have read the ASA opinion and simply stated you are attempting to decieve on what it says and what consequences it has.
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Reply #12 - 07/18/07 at 6:11pm
 
Hi JimB:
 
The ASA rule making decision did not apply to me, it applied to dyson and its product claims.  
 
And I'm still waiting to hear from you the vacuum makers beside dyson which use the IEC test lab in NY.
 
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Reply #13 - 07/19/07 at 10:47am
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/18/07 at 6:11pm:
Hi JimB:

The ASA rule making decision did not apply to me, it applied to dyson and its product claims.  

And I'm still waiting to hear from you the vacuum makers beside dyson which use the IEC test lab in NY.

Carmine D.

 
Happy to help, absolutely no vacuum makers use either an IEC test lab or an ASTM test lab as neither do any testing for manufacturers.  Both publish standards to be used by labs.  As I have told you before Dyson used a well regarded 3rd party lab (Intertek) for it's testing to IEC standards.  I know you are quite fond of the hoover astm test and like believing or at least claiming because hoover uses it that makes it the industry standard, but despite your trying to falsely convince all that the ASTM ran the test all are still waiting to hear if hoover or a yet to be named independent lab ran those tests.
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Reply #14 - 07/19/07 at 12:25pm
 
Hi JimB:
 
In other words only dyson uses the IEC test standards.  The IEC standards are not sanctioned and approved as the test standard for the vacuum industry. Regardless of the lab which conducts the testing.  In dyson's case its Intertek in NY.   Intertek lab is an independent lab.  Whether it is well regarded is a matter of personal opinion.  Certainly not based on the vacuum industry's professional accreditation.
 
ASTM IS THE ONLY entity recognized and sanctioned by the vacuum industry [worldwide] as the test standard.  And unlike dyson, vacuum brands like HOOVER using the ASTM test standards can and/do cite the other vacuums tested with its brands.  The dyson test results do not name the vacuum brands used for test comparisons.   Just says "Other vacuum cleaners."  Not very scientific and conclusive.
 
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Reply #15 - 07/19/07 at 2:07pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/19/07 at 12:25pm:
Hi JimB:

In other words only dyson uses the IEC test standards.  The IEC standards are not sanctioned and approved as the test standard for the vacuum industry. Regardless of the lab which conducts the testing.  In dyson's case its Intertek in NY.   Intertek lab is an independent lab.  Whether it is well regarded is a matter of personal opinion.  Certainly not based on the vacuum industry's professional accreditation.

ASTM IS THE ONLY entity recognized and sanctioned by the vacuum industry [worldwide] as the test standard.  And unlike dyson, vacuum brands like HOOVER using the ASTM test standards can and/do cite the other vacuums tested with its brands.  The dyson test results do not name the vacuum brands used for test comparisons.   Just says "Other vacuum cleaners."  Not very scientific and conclusive.

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Help us out here.  By the "vacuum industry" are you reffering to yourself or is there an actual organization you are basing this on?  Also for the "vacuum industry's professional accreditation" do you actually send out "approved by Carmine" certificates?
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Reply #16 - 07/19/07 at 2:55pm
 
"Round and Round you go!" Roll Eyes
 
No one is going to "give in", but you will keep going; hoping one will show others how ignorant the other is.  Right now it is two pages worth.
 
Carmine,  some of this "doom and gloom" for dyson is just what others were doing re: HOOVER.  Yet HOOVER is still around.  Why not let dyson stay on the market and allow them to sink or swim on their own.    
 
 The dyson company is not going to go under.  They will change the wording and move on-business as usual.  countless other companies have done it.
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Reply #17 - 07/19/07 at 3:51pm
 
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I agree with you in part.  Why?  The other vacuum brands did not cost $400 plus.  And the other brands were well established in the industry with years of goodwill, trust, and a huge supply of credibility that could be "tapped" to overcome the "perceived" faults and flaws: HOOVER for example with the switch problem on the WT.  
 
I can't say the same about dyson, even if you and others MAY think you can.  Dyson may try and move on with business as usual but there are consequences of their actions and the ASA decisions for which the long term impact on dyson is still unknown.
 
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Re: Dyson / ASA Lawsuit
Reply #18 - 07/19/07 at 10:09pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/19/07 at 3:51pm:
Mike W.

I agree with you in part.  Why?  The other vacuum brands did not cost $400 plus.  And the other brands were well established in the industry with years of goodwill, trust, and a huge supply of credibility that could be "tapped" to overcome the "perceived" faults and flaws: HOOVER for example with the switch problem on the WT.

I can't say the same about dyson, even if you and others MAY think you can.  Dyson may try and move on with business as usual but there are consequences of their actions and the ASA decisions for which the long term impact on dyson is still unknown.

Carmine D.

 
Why not give us another predicted time line until Dyson is out of business.
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Reply #19 - 07/20/07 at 5:34am
 
Hi HS:
 
I always do.  "Time will tell."  "Test of time."   Time is on the vacuum industry's side, not dysons.  Why?
 
Dyson's missteps and mistakes [like the false product claims which is the latest in a long string over the past 5 + years in the USA] are attributed directly to management's lack of knowledge and understanding of the vacuum industry and its history.  
 
Add to this lack of knowledge the extremely high prices of the dyson vacuum products; their mediocre performance at best; the lackluster dyson product support relying on partnerships with big box retailers like SEARS and BEST BUY rather than the vacuum industry experts; the increasingly better and less expensive bagless and bagged dyson competition [which dyson prophets said would all be eliminated after dyson arrived  Grin]; 500 overpaid and underworked dyson engineers; R&D dollars spent on all manner of dyson products diverting and scattering resources from its core business [vacuums] AND what do you get?  A mix of risky business ingredients.   As the song goes:  Something's got to give.  Wink
 
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