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Reply #60 - 02/14/07 at 3:53pm
 
Hi Carmine,
 
I don't mean to divert the topic of this thread for long but out of curiosity, can you tell me if there's any strong indication that sites like YouTube will no longer be allowed?  I understand and appreciate the aspect of intellectual property but YouTube is basically an online of example of what people have been doing everyday since the invention of cassette and video recorders.  I recall many a copy of a popular album back in the day being being passed on to friends by the original buyer.
 
Having a personal interest in music production, there is a part of me that stronlgy appreciates the development of protections meant to insure my possibilities where profit is concerned.  On the other hand there is that wonderful thing about word of mouth and the "good press" that comes through sharing music tracks and videos that is also beneficial to those offering whatever their art is to the public.
 
In any event, uploads to YouTube, cannot be copied (or not easily copied) by other users and copies supplied to others by those who upload are not sold to those who request them.  Albeit they may be using material without express permission, how are YouTube and Google making money if they are not selling, directly or indirectly, without benefit of license.
 
Having to snatch a penny for every little thing, in the long run, does more harm than good.  Last night I found a couple of clips that the late great Carmen McCrae had done for TV more than twenty years ago.  Couldn't copy them and didn't want to.  Yet the ability to view this little part of history I had never seen before was priceless because it is now at least logged in my memory.  That to me is great.
 
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Reply #61 - 02/14/07 at 4:58pm
 
Quote from guess_who on 02/14/07 at 3:53pm:


Albeit they may be using material without express permission, how are YouTube and Google making money if they are not selling, directly or indirectly, without benefit of license.

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Hello Venson:
 
From the depositions, YouTube and Google provided business support to two Web sites "suspected" of offering illegal film downloads.  These sworn statements indicated that Google representatives sold ads and keywords to these two Web sites that allegedly helped users illegally access copyrighted material.  The Google representatives knew they were doing this and had a close relationship with the two Web sites.  Google declined comment but did not deny the allegations by the media group executives.
 
At the core of the media companies' dispute with Google is their claim that Google deliberately directed traffic to Web sites that were engaged in fostering piracy.  This lead the media companies' executives to question Google's internal controls.  Google is cooperating.
 
The media companies regard Internet piracy (the unauthorized online transfer of movies, music and other copyrighted content) as a major threat to their businesses and claim that it has already cost them BILLIONS of dollars.  
 
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Reply #62 - 02/14/07 at 6:18pm
 
The content producers concerned don't generally mind their works being shown on YouTube, it's of a very low quality compared to even standard TV. It's similar to music being played on FM radio, in that it's of lower quality and promotes the retail sale of the real thing. Only difference is that the unlike radio, the copyright holders (and performers) don't get a licensing share of having their work showcased. In time, Google (and others) are working towards a system that automatically identifies the registered rights holder of the work uploaded and depending on the wishes of the rights holder, either denies the content being listed or allows it to be listed and passes a proportion of the advertising revenue back to the 3rd party.
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Reply #63 - 02/16/07 at 1:08pm
 
While US and global media companies are grappling with how they are copensated when their material is shared online, a Belgian court said Google Inc. can't post news articles from local newspapers on its Web sites in Belgium.  The Brussels Court of First Instance ruled Google can't offer any links to articles or post any articles or photographs from German- and French-language Belgian newspapers.  The Court is fining Google $30,000 a day starting in September 2006 for the copyright violations.  The plaintiff was asking $1.3 MILLION a day from Google.
 
The ruling may spur other lawsuits from news associations.  Already Agence France Presse, the French wire service, is suing Google in US District Court in Wash DC.  AFP is demanding payment when Google uses its excerpts in the US.
 
In the US, the Author's Guild and major publishers backed by the Association of American Publishers have brought TWO separate suits against Google in US District Court in Manhattan alleging abuse of copyright material by digitizing books without permission.
 
The plaintiffs in the above suits said that they are open to letting Google use their materials as long as Google pays for them.
 
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Reply #64 - 02/16/07 at 1:23pm
 
Hi Carmine,so are you saying it's all about the money[like it's always been?]
 
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Reply #65 - 02/16/07 at 8:02pm
 
Hello Jimmy the Pro:
 
Very true.  As the colloquialism says: "There is no such thing as a free lunch."
 
Charles Gibson on the Evening News did a feature on You Tube and Myspace.com showing a new use for the internet Web sites: Assisting police and authorities with tracking down criminals and law breakers.  Video tapes of persons caught in the crimes are aired on the Web sites with the hope that people watching will provide tips/leads to the police to nab the offenders.  It works.  
 
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Reply #66 - 02/27/07 at 8:28pm
 
Google is making the same mistakes that made Napster go belly up a decade ago.
 
Unable (unwilling) to strike a money deal with Viacom recently, the media giant demanded Google remove 100,000 of its videos from YouTube.
 
Viacom then signed a deal with upstart video service Joost.com.  
 
Did this spur Google to start talking turkey with the other media firms?  No!  Google let deals with CBS and others fall by the wayside.
 
Google faces even more than a threat of of copyright lawsuits:  It faces competition.  YouTube's most popular content isn't home grown videos but clips of TV shows.  As other meida giants follow Viacom's lead and strike deals with other sites, YouTube's share of eyeballs will fall.  
 
Like iTunes, these rivals will share their sales with the studio moguls.  And Google will push TV producers right into the open arms of the competition.  You can't run with the big dogs if you aren't one yourself.
 
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Reply #67 - 03/04/07 at 7:56am
 
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BBC begins showing excerpts on YouTube
 
"The British Broadcasting Corp. began showing excerpts from its news and entertainment programs on YouTube video sharing Web site Friday becoming the first international broadcaster to ink a major deal with the Google-owned portal.
 
In an agreement that analysts described as a key step for both the BBC and YouTube, the British broadcaster is offering three branded channels on the site, including one showing up to 30 news clips a day."
 
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Reply #68 - 03/13/07 at 10:32pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 02/03/07 at 2:41pm:


After several months of "business" negotiations with no settlement, VIACOM is "ordering" Google/YouTube to cease and desist 100,000 videos of copyrighted and patented VIACOM materials.  And asserts the filtering device is not in place/does not do what it was supposed to do.

I don't know yet the exact details of VIACOM's "order" and the punitive damages it plans to recover.  I suspect huge dollar numbers are likely.  Fortunately for YouTube, Google has deep pockets.  Unfortunately for Google, litigants always go after other litigants who have the deepest pockets.

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It's official, VIACOM is suing YouTube (Google) for $ ONE BILLION.  
 
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Reply #69 - 03/15/07 at 8:52am
 
Quote from guess_who on 02/14/07 at 3:53pm:


Albeit they may be using material without express permission, how are YouTube and Google making money if they are not selling, directly or indirectly, without benefit of license.

Venson

 
Hello Venson:
 
In reading the details of the VIACOM lawsuit, an excellent point is made.  Since VIACOM's media shows appeal to a younger audience who are more internet savy, VIACOM fears that many will forgo tuning into the shows and view the clips on YouTube instead.  VIACOM argues that this will result in fewer viewers and hence less ad money and sponsorship.
 
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