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Re: My new DC17
Reply #30 - 10/24/06 at 4:15am
 
Quote from guess_who on 10/23/06 at 7:26pm:
Hi Mike,

Do you think the change will lead to at least "very good" carpet cleaning scores in the next CR vacuum ratings?

Venson

 
I really do not follow CR's scores(or believe in them completely).  The DC17 does clean carpeting better than the previous models.  On previous models, it took at least three passes to pick up all the dirt on the carpeting.  This model only took one stroke( like Riccar/Simplicity, Panasonic, HOOVER, etc.).
 
The company has toned down the colors of this machine.  It does not jump out at you.  Much better than the flashy purple and yellow and bright blue.
 
There is one thing the company has not corrected and I do not know why, because it is a problem.  I will keep that to myself for the timebeing.  I would like to ask them "Why" in the future.
 
 
 
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Reply #31 - 10/24/06 at 4:56pm
 
Regarding HEPA filtration, and its importance on a vacuum, I think Mike has given a good answer, but I will add to it. The settling time of a particle in the air is inversely proportional to the size of the particle. Larger particles settle faster, while smaller particles remain airborne longer. The problem comes when you run a vacuum. It attempts to pick up all the dust from the carpet, and catches what it can in the bag or filter system, and the rest passes out the exhaust and becomes airborne. If you run a vacuum with no bag, you know what happens - after vacuuming the carpet is cleaner, but the air is filled with dust. Since most of this visible dust is large, it settles out fairly quickly, though.  
 
If you vacuum with a bag that can catch down to 30 microns  (a standard bag) the same thing happens - the carpet is cleaner, but the air is dirtier in terms of small particles, though the particles will be too small to see. Because they are smaller, they will take longer to settle. Use a vacuum with a filterair bag, which filters down to 6 microns, and afterwards the air will be filled with particles smaller than 6 microns. These take a very long time to settle, up to 4-12 hours, but are invisible, and unless you are allergic to them, cause no problems.
 
Next, lets look at specific allergies. If you are allergic to pollen, most pollen is in the 8-10 micron range, if I recall. It won't be caught by a standard bag, but it will be caught by an "allergy bag". Some people are allergic to dust mite feces. These particles are .3 microns or so. No bag will catch them, and they will be caught only by a HEPA filter. Worse, these particles take up to 12 hours to settle.  For a person with a severe dust mite allergy, if a home is vacuumed with a non-HEPA vacuum, that home will be uninhabitable for about 12-20 hours.
 
I used to have to vacuum and then open all the windows and leave, or have my wife vacuum when I was not at home. Now that I have a HEPA vacuum (Air-way), this is no longer a problem. As I vacuum I actually feel better, not worse. Wow was I surprised the first time that happened! Furthermore I am no longer afraid to vacuum things like the pillows or mattress. Now I vacuum then regularly, which allows me to sleep much better at night.
 
Old timer, you are fortunate not to have allergies. On the other hand, while you may not have dust mite allergies, but there are people who do. For those people a HEPA vacuum is of extreme value, and I for one would never go back to a regular vacuum. For someone in the business, it would behoove you to learn a little about this. That way, when a customer came in, you could ask them if they have allergies, and you could determine if they have an adverse reaction to vacuuming that could be remedied by a HEPA-rated vacuum.  Once they realize the improvement it will make in their life, they will appreciate it a great deal, and will be willing to pay the cost difference to get a HEPA rated vacuum.
 
So, in summary, a person with no allergies has no particlar need for a HEPA vacuum, or even Filtrette bags. A person with pollen allergies should be fine with improved bags. A person with dust mite allergies should use a HEPA rated vacuum.
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Reply #32 - 10/24/06 at 5:19pm
 
Here's a link with the cut-a-way of the DC17 Cyclones. Looks like it's a Root12 instead of 11.
 
http://www.sales.dyson.com
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Reply #33 - 10/24/06 at 5:42pm
 
Quote from Dyson_Chris on 10/24/06 at 5:19pm:
Here's a link with the cut-a-way of the DC17 Cyclones. Looks like it's a Root12 instead of 11.

http://www.sales.dyson.com

 
That's actually a cutaway of the Root 12 Cyclone unit from the DC08 canister.
 
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Reply #34 - 10/24/06 at 6:41pm
 
Looks like the DC17 is finally online.  
 
http://www.dyson.com/range/range.asp?base=UPRIGHT
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Reply #35 - 10/24/06 at 7:24pm
 
My Dyson rep brought in a sample of this machine today. I love the colors, and the hose release system is greatly improved.
 
However the bristles are EXTREMELY stiff. I have gray velvet plush in the store, and after a few passes with this machine, there was a huge ball
of carpet fiber in the tank. It actually fuzzed the top of my carpet because the brushroll is so aggressive. It'll definitely clean well, though. Personally I would rather have a machine that's more gentle on the carpet, but can still do a good job of cleaning.
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Reply #36 - 10/24/06 at 7:30pm
 
Quote from AndyWeter on 10/24/06 at 7:24pm:
My Dyson rep brought in a sample of this machine today. I love the colors, and the hose release system is greatly improved.

However the bristles are EXTREMELY stiff. I have gray velvet plush in the store, and after a few passes with this machine, there was a huge ball
of carpet fiber in the tank. It actually fuzzed the top of my carpet because the brushroll is so aggressive. It'll definitely clean well, though. Personally I would rather have a machine that's more gentle on the carpet, but can still do a good job of cleaning.

 
 
I hope it's not another Carpet Killer....

 
So for high shag caret the DC07, 14 and 15 is recommended and the low shag the DC17 would be the best choice?
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Reply #37 - 10/24/06 at 10:37pm
 
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Reply #38 - 10/25/06 at 7:49pm
 
Hi Carl,thanks for informing me about sealed hepa vacuum cleaners,in fact we sell them,miele,bosch,lindhaus, the true hepa rating is what 99.97 down to .03 microns, in other words 10 thousand particles in .003 out.Where regular hepa is what 99.5 the h11 standard or en1822 standard in europe is stamped on kirby's new allergen reduction filters.you know the cloth type a 6 pack for 25.00 to 40.00 depending on where you get them,says right on the package removes 99.97% of hosehold dust,pollen,mites, and other particles.
 
Now for the best part
Kirby's micron magic paper inserts, fits G4 THRU G5, filters to 99.97% true hepa rating,featuring kirby's exclusive micro particle arrest technology PT*197394
 
priced between 15.99 to 29.99 depending on the dealer.
 
so if true hepa is 99.97 what difference does it make whether the bags cloth or paper. The only advantage i can see is that the burst strenth is better on the cloth like bags.
 
All newer kirby's with the start of diamond edition come with the NEW allergen reduction filters[BAGS], does not say bags on the package.So the way i see it kirby uses this ploy to make even more money, smart business people [and we know who owns kirby dont we Carmine.B.T.W. these [NEW] bags fit all the generation kirbys Wink
 
So if kirby used a true hepa exhaust filter on the machine.
1 what good would it do?
2 what would this cost 60.00 a year like other 's
3 would the machine filter so well,that it would be certified as a class 3 medical device, like rainbow, thats another story for another time.
4 at the rediculous prices asked for true hepa sealed systems, I can not tell our customers with a strait face that they are getting their moneys worth.[ITS ABSURD] and an insult to my customers intelligence.
5 a box of surgical face masks are 5 bucks,for25 or so.I would gladly give them a box when they spend over $ 1600  for a vacuum cleaner.
6 food for thought the more it costs the longer the dog and pony show Wink
 
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Re: My new DC17
Reply #39 - 10/26/06 at 4:04pm
 
Quote from Dyson_Chris on 10/24/06 at 7:30pm:
Quote from AndyWeter on 10/24/06 at 7:24pm:
My Dyson rep brought in a sample of this machine today. I love the colors, and the hose release system is greatly improved.

However the bristles are EXTREMELY stiff. I have gray velvet plush in the store, and after a few passes with this machine, there was a huge ball
of carpet fiber in the tank. It actually fuzzed the top of my carpet because the brushroll is so aggressive. It'll definitely clean well, though. Personally I would rather have a machine that's more gentle on the carpet, but can still do a good job of cleaning.


I hope it's not another Carpet Killer....

 
LOL! Dyson: dammed if they do, dammed if they don't!
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