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Title: My new DC17 Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/19/06 at 3:33am I was at my local Best Buy yesterday looking at some new iPods when I noticed someone stocking what appeared to be Dyson DC17's up on a shelf. Low and behold, it was the DC17 Animal, selling for $549, the same as the DC14 Animal. They had no display model, so I decided to take one home. I consider it to be the best model Dyson has manufactured to date. There are so many improvements on this model that makes it much better than the previous DC07, DC14, and DC15. http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372170ca0b9465415894.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372170f3e57466138196.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453721712bb52688953275.jpg One of the many new changes with the DC17 is the telescope wand extention. Rather than squeezing a button to release the handle from the machine, you simply pull the wand out of the hand, and when it's fully extended, the handle will instantly remove itself from the machine. To replace the handle, you stick it back in place, and once it interlocks with the machine, you can slide the wand back into the hose. http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/4537217152b76728138610.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453721717f8d0446408650.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372171a7f3c710917802.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372171cf3bc787942229.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453721721c281135155188.jpg Another change is the prefilter placement. Rather than being place on the top of the cyclone assembly or right beside the motor, it is instead place above the motor where you'd think the post HEPA filter would be (and visa versa). It prefilter itself has change, for it is now composed with netting and more fabric layers than a thick foam apparatus. The prefilter case itself is made from a soft, squishy, rubbery substance with a sticky adhesive texture (to catch any particles that bypass the cyclones and prevent them from falling into the motor when the prefilter is removed for cleaning). http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372173808b4520809963.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/4537217274e35626746013.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453721729bf7e625709739.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372173073b4355502721.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453721732ef59926995637.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372172d31c0057362767.jpg The motorhead of the DC17 is independently driven by a motor, however, it does not transfer power through a gear drive, but rather through a durable cogged belt, that can be easily replaced if need be. The brushroll is visibly larger than the brushroll on the DC15. The bristles are slightly short, yet much stiffer, adding to its ability to deep clean. The soleplate is plastic once again, however it only rides on two small wheels on the front, with a small rubber strip (which the cleaning head rests on when the machine is in it's upright position) behind the main intake, yielding for a more adaptable cleaner head that doesn't simply float over carpets like previous designs. In addition, the large debris pick up channel is not seen here, most likely to focus more suction to the motorhead. http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453729a380d94302101332.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453729a3d393d538417763.jpg Another interesting change implemented is with the stair nozzle. It no longer has the air intake vents that let in air through the top of the tool, but is simply a two channel intake tool that was designed to deliver more suction to the surface than with the previous tool. http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/453721724d539033548405.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/4537217354d4c534835969.jpg http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/19/45372173a96fb217948784.jpg My only complaint is that it is a little heavy, but other than that, it is a fine machine that definitely improved upon its' predecessors by a large margin. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/19/06 at 8:45am That's one major change for Dyson with that new brushroll. One major issue is the brushroll and pet owners. Many are reporting issues with pet hair wrapping around the brushroll. Has Dyson finally addressed this issue with the new and improved brushroll? |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by dualcyclone on 10/19/06 at 12:34pm Chris: Pet hair has to wrap around any brush roller used in any vacuum cleaner. There's no preventing it. Inmate: Thanks for posting the pics of DC17. If I had a digital camera, I would have taken and posted pics of mine a long time ago. My friend Derreck is going to take a pic of my new MotorHead canister, which uses the same power head as DC17, only on a canister cleaner. Level 3 Cyclone technology passes the bar b que pit ashes test with flying colors. Like you, I believe it to be the BEST, most desireable upright Dyson ever made. THIS is truly Dyson's "Greater Hoover" as it were. If the history of Hoover and Dyson are parellel, then this is the "Model 700" of Dyson cleaners. Congrats on your new cleaner. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Trilobite on 10/19/06 at 4:01pm Thanks for sharing the pictures. Here's a few questions: Where does the exhaust-air vent from? i.e. where does it blow out of the cleaner? (I always thought that placing the exhaust vent close to the bin's trapdoor was a recipe for blasting allergens back into the atmosphere). ... and thus: Where is the hepa filter located? It is interesting that Dyson has removed the constant airflow ducts fom the upholstery tool; and removed the large particle duct. Have they also removed that useless 'hole' on the side of the crevice tool? They've also apparently removed the swivel on the shank of the upholstery nozzle. From your pictures of the filter cavity, does the motor sit vertically? And finally, I presume that the 4 intermediate cyclones (or is it two?) drop their debris down the centre shaft of the bin arrangement; and the eight high-efficiency drop theirs down the 'half-moon' shafts? Have you tested its performance with sand or salt? All previous Dysons have had issues with grit gaining access to the pre-motor filter? |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/19/06 at 4:49pm Trilobite wrote:
http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/6/113381/2006-10-19-73636.jpg The exhaust comes from the side of the base, kind of like where the prefilter was placed on the DC07. After the air flows through the prefilter right under the collection bin, it flows through the motor and exits through the post HEPA filter through the side. And to answer your question about the motor, it does indeed sit vertically rather than horizontally. It was great to see that Dyson modified the upholstery tool and dusting brush to be more compact and allow better surface contact suction, however, the crevice tool remains the same. The Level 3 Root Cyclone System uses two intermediate cyclones, and eight root cyclones to seperate dust and sand particles. The two intermediate cyclones deposites its particles in the center of the bin, while the dust from the remaining eight root cyclones are distributed between the two half moon shafts. http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/7/6/113381/2006-10-19-73624.jpg I have yet to do a specific test with large particles such as sand, however, I have vacuumed all of my carpet today which yielded so much sand and dust that my DC15 was not picking up, and among all of that filth, virtually none of it made it onto the prefilter. As seen in this photo taken after I spent a great amount of time vacuuming, there is no dust, no sand, virtually nothing on the prefilter. The new Level 3 Root Cyclone system is much more efficient than the original Root Cyclone system. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Trilobite on 10/19/06 at 5:39pm Thank you once again for taking the time to answer. I wish the "Level 3 Root" system was available in the UK. I had recently used a DC11 cylinder cleaner to clean my car. I used the car-cleaning tools on it. When I had finished, I checked the pre-motor filter and was alarmed to see that a quarter-teaspoonful of sand had passed through the cyclone assembly and been caught by the filter instead. Another problem with the DC11 is that the exhaust filter will not stay locked in place: there are two tongues on the filter itself, that are supposed to engage with slots on the filter surround. Unfortunately, the heat of the motor exhaust causes the filter surround (made from plastic!) to distort; thus hepa filtration cannot be absolute. Has anyone else noticed that DC11 has a small 'air-bleed' channel in the pre-motor filter surround, that allows air (drawn from the cord reel compartment) to bypass the cyclone unit. What is the reason for this? |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/19/06 at 9:24pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
Chris: Dual is wrong on this one. You are right and most if not all the dyson DC07 and 14 users will say the brushbars are more prone to hair and rug wrap than any other full sized US upright on the market today from the least expensive up. The reason is simple. The diameter of the dyson brushbar is too small. Probably the smallest of all the US vacuum uprights. Even Oreck is half the size and weight of the DC07 and 14 AND with the longer and fuller brush roll hair tufts is not as prone as the DC07 and 14. An inherent dyson brushbar problem. Dyson is so cognizant of the problem it addresses it in the User Instruction Manual. AND Consumer Reports, the magazine Dual loves to hate, changed its test criteria recently to measure debris picked up in the bin. Why? Alot of the "stuff" that dyson uprights in particular pick up never makes its way to the bin. Why? It gets hung up on the brushbar. Nice to see dyson is "listening" to constructive criticism and profiting from it. That indicates business commitment and professionalism to the industry. What's okay for the UK is not for the USA. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by cleanie on 10/19/06 at 10:17pm I NEED one for the second floor- do you know when it will be available at Bed Bath and Beyond or Linen's and Things? That 20% off coupon is too much to pass up! |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by tiger21 on 10/19/06 at 11:47pm The weight of 20.79 pounds w/ attachments and 20.56 pounds w/o is almost the weight of a KIRBY. Too much weight for a light weight. The second motor for running the power brush is a great addition. Does it shut off if something gets hung up in the brushroll? If not the cog belt wouldn't last long. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by VacOMatic on 10/20/06 at 2:51am Looks like Dyson made many improvements and changes! Questions: 1. noise levels with brush on and brush off? I hope it has the vac motor noise level of the ball without the shriek of the brush motor. 2. manueverability compared to other Dyson models? Trilobite, most vacs I have seen have air vents leading from cord reel into suction compartment. I suspect this is pull air through the reel helping cool the reel and cord. Vacuum cords get warm to hot during use, and if wound up without cooling provided, the heat buildup could possibly damage the cord and/or the reel. Hence the vents for air cooling. In fact, some vacuums warn you specifically against operating them with the cord partly wound. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/20/06 at 9:04am VacOMatic wrote:
The noise level of the DC17 with the brush off is about the same as the previous models, if not, a little lower in pitch. With the motorized brushroll activated, it is slightly louder, but not as loud as the DC15. It has more of a low frequency roar than the high pitched shrieking noise of the DC15. I believe that a lower noise level was why Dyson went with the belt drive this time rather than the gear drive. But make no mistake, the brushroll on the DC17 is much, much more powerful than the ones featured on previous models, with enough torque to pull the machine forward on the carpet. The maneuverability of the DC17 is about the same as the DC07 and DC14, and it certainly is no DC15 when it comes to hard flooring, but it's no hassle either. Plus, I could just use the included floor nozzle attachment to clean the really hard to reach places. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by just-passing-throu on 10/20/06 at 9:52am tiger21 wrote:
There is one big difference. The Kirby is self-propelled, so it takes little effort to push. I have never tried the D machine, but my interest is tweeked. |
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Title: Re: My new Dhe7 Post by dualcyclone on 10/20/06 at 11:30am The brush bar helps made DC17 seem self propelled. It's almost weightless to move. Feels like an Oreck to push. Carmine is so full of it he's turning brown. Dyson did NOT 'listen' to him and his silly comments about the brush bar. Nor that stupid Communist Reports magazine. James has always wanted a soft brush bar that doesn't rip out carpets. He said as much in his video guide for independent dealers when he demonstrated the horrible effect of the Hoover brush bar compared to the dyson brush. The DC17 was made exclusively for American homes and carpets. I tested it on Frieze, I have a new carpet sample of long Frieze for just this purpose. The new DC17 brush bar litterally rips it apart, pulling tons of tufts up. But not nearly as badly as a Hoover brush bar, which shreds the rug in seconds. Ironic that the DC07 brush bar doesn't rip out the Frieze. So James was right, after all. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Carmine_Difazio on 10/20/06 at 12:44pm Hey Dual: My dear Wife was just complimenting me yesterday on my Vegas tan. ;) All natural and 100 percent genuine. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by VacOMatic on 10/21/06 at 12:01am Thanks for info, Toibas. Interesting about the brush pulling..my Felix does the same (with brush off, felix is kinda a drag to move around). A future thought; Dyson might make alternative brush bars for different carpets. That's something the euro vacs Sebo and Lindhaus could also do as their brushrolls are very easy to remove and swap. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by tiger21 on 10/21/06 at 1:48pm Hey dual, Don't you know that a new carpet is full of cuttings from the manufacturer and it will take a few cleanings before they are out. When I sell a cleaner to owners of brand new carpet I let them Know in the first few months they will get a lot of cuttings and then it will stop. If yau get a lot of carpet after that you have a problem to check in on. It is not the cleaner , usually. I also have not heard an answer to my question on the brushroll and how it is stopped if simethind gets in and jams it. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 3:30pm Hi Tiger21,it only took them 4 or 5 years to finally get the brush and cogged belt system almost right,now you want a circuit breaker too, for dyson to get that right it would add 100.00 to the price. Man you guys want everything............ O.T. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Trilobite on 10/21/06 at 5:40pm VacOMatic wrote:
Thanks, VacOMatic. I was thinking along the lines of a French manufactured (1982) Hoover Sensotronic, which blew its exhaust from virtually all sides of the cleaner, including the cord-reel area. No HEPA exhaust filter in those days, but double-layer bags were standard. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 5:59pm speaking of hepa filters, what good is hepa filtration on a vacuum when it's only used on average of about a half to one hour per week, Does it really do anything for indoor air pollution?. IT should be called[ hepa's] high efficiency particulate arrest scam. O.T. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Trilobite on 10/21/06 at 6:40pm old-timer wrote:
I believe it actually does help decrease indoor air pollution, but only if there is a methodical, regular cleaning regime - particularly necessary if there is an allergy sufferer in the house. There was a programme on UK television concerning children with allergies, and the programme makers gave the participating families cleaning packs (allergy bedding, Morphy-Richard allergy vacuum cleaners, etc.) and told them to clean regularly. The result was that the health of the children dramatically improved; and the mothers who couldn't be bothered to continue the regime because of work shifts -or sheer laziness- their children took a retrograde step. There is no use in using a machine which blasts dustmite faeces, cat allergen, pollen, etc. back into the atmosphere. That's asking for trouble. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 6:46pm Hi Trilo,i quess you have a point, it's nice till the novelty wears off. O.T. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Trilobite on 10/21/06 at 7:16pm old-timer wrote:
Ah, I see - you're referring to the machines that require regular HEPA filter renewal. Cut your losses and go for Dyson. The Dysons have a HEPA filter which lasts the life of the machine, and decent cyclonic technology that keeps the stoor away from the filters in the first place. This is even more true with the new DC17, and its new 'Level 3 Root Cyclone System'. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by old-timer on 10/21/06 at 7:28pm But Trillo, my application does not call for an upright, I'm perfectly happy with my electrolux silverardo,from 1982. The filters are in the bags,so everytime i change the bag i also get a fresh set of filters. Although i play with my kirby G5 with the new filtrette bags just for kicks. The weight of the machine saves me a membership at the local gym. O.T. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by guess_who on 10/22/06 at 6:52pm Right on O.T. There's nothing like a vacuum cleaner that not only gets the job done but helps you keep your figure too. Venson |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Trilobite on 10/22/06 at 7:57pm old-timer wrote:
But what about the exhaust from the motor? Surely there will be black carbon dust from the carbon brushes? (Unless it is fitted with an induction motor). I thought that a HEPA filter's function was twofold: to catch carbon dust, as well as any stoor that made it through the rest of the filtration system. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by guess_who on 10/22/06 at 9:43pm Hi, Carbon dust issued by electrical household appliances is an issue of minimal importance as such emissions are miniscule. It would be important if an electric motor's brushes, about a half inch long, wore down in a time so short as to prove a real pollutant. A vacuum, under normal use, can run on the same pair of brushes for years and years. Electric motors "burn out" when their carbon brushes wear all the way down. The major use for HEPA is to catch the fine dust that may escape a hopefully well-designed vacuum's preliminary filtering system. Yes, it's great that vacuum cleaner air filtration has improved so much but it should be remembered that up to now the human race has survived almost a century's worth of vacuuum cleaners that did not have HEPA filters or filtrete bags but plain old woven cloth bags and that have and that often are still capable of stirring up dust while in use. If you're concern is due to possible health risks, it is far better to focus your atttention on the possibly carcinogenic chemical combinations we place on our skin and hair daily or use for general cleaning. As well, air and water quality outside the home are probably the biggest issues we have to come to grips with. Believe me, I'd be happy to the point of delirium if the only risk in regard health in my home was just my vacuum cleaner. Regards, Venson |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by VacOMatic on 10/23/06 at 12:38am Our BestBuy has the DC17 so I played briefly with sample. Noted its brush housing window was badly scratched (wonder what the heck they vacuum up in that place?). Noted the suction ducting fit better than other Dysons I've seen. Vac was very easy to manuever (nicer than the Ball, in fact). Vac motor was quieter than most Dysons. Brush motor quieter than the DC15 but still somewhat shrieky compared to Euros I use. Both salesperson and I puzzled a bit over getting hose out but figured it out after 1-2 minutes; seemed like the DC15 with brief use. Will be interesting to see how many our BestBuy sells. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Mike_W. on 10/23/06 at 3:33am old-timer wrote:
There is great need for high filtration vacuum cleaners, because there are those who have difficulty w/ the particles in the house and what is picked up by the vacuum cleaner. There are those who have respiratory problems that can be irritated by the circulating dust and there are those who have allergic reactions to particles. I know that there has been an increase in number of people who have allergic reactions to dust(incl. dust mite feces) alone. It is hard to imagine, if you are one who does not have allergic reactions when running the vacuum cleaner, what it is like to have a reaction. There are different levels of reactions. Some have slight difficulty, while others have extreme reaction. Lastly, there are those who do not have allergies. Because there are varying degrees of people w/ allergies and those who have none, there are different choices to be made when purchasing a vacuum cleaner based on filtration. A person who does not have allergies, does not need to go out and buy the best filtration machine unless he/she wants to. They can settle for a machine that filters adequately and has excellence performance in other areas. You do want some filtration to protect the motor from as much dust as possible. A person who has a high level of allergies will need alot of filtration or have someone else do the vacuuming. We do not know, because that is up to the individual. It also makes sense that if someone has allergies, they should not be emptying ANY bagless vacuum cleaner. I also do not recommend that the same people change the bag in vacuum cleaners like the Compact/Tristars(and the like). Dust is stirred up in order to remove the open top paper bag. Personally, I have allergic reactions to the dust. I do not have major problems w/ it though. If The dust is kept down and contained, I am fine. This means that the home should be cleaned regularly. This does mean that the house should be vacuumed before you see that it needs to be. Many say "It does not need to be cleaned, because it does not look like it". Wrong! There is dirt that you cannot see, but it is there. Air cleaners also help the person w/ allergies to dust. In conclusion, HEPA filtration can help a person who is highly sensitive to "dust", but it is not necessary for everyone. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Mike_W. on 10/23/06 at 1:00pm I have used this machine and can say that it does clean carpeting better than the other models from dyson. The bristles are very stiff. Actually, they are stiffer than the HOOVER WT uprights. They finally put a brushroll w/ a decent-sized diameter on this machine. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by guess_who on 10/23/06 at 7:26pm Hi Mike, Do you think the change will lead to at least "very good" carpet cleaning scores in the next CR vacuum ratings? Venson |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Mike_W. on 10/24/06 at 4:15am guess_who wrote:
I really do not follow CR's scores(or believe in them completely). The DC17 does clean carpeting better than the previous models. On previous models, it took at least three passes to pick up all the dirt on the carpeting. This model only took one stroke( like Riccar/Simplicity, Panasonic, HOOVER, etc.). The company has toned down the colors of this machine. It does not jump out at you. Much better than the flashy purple and yellow and bright blue. There is one thing the company has not corrected and I do not know why, because it is a problem. I will keep that to myself for the timebeing. I would like to ask them "Why" in the future. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by cprohman on 10/24/06 at 4:56pm Regarding HEPA filtration, and its importance on a vacuum, I think Mike has given a good answer, but I will add to it. The settling time of a particle in the air is inversely proportional to the size of the particle. Larger particles settle faster, while smaller particles remain airborne longer. The problem comes when you run a vacuum. It attempts to pick up all the dust from the carpet, and catches what it can in the bag or filter system, and the rest passes out the exhaust and becomes airborne. If you run a vacuum with no bag, you know what happens - after vacuuming the carpet is cleaner, but the air is filled with dust. Since most of this visible dust is large, it settles out fairly quickly, though. If you vacuum with a bag that can catch down to 30 microns (a standard bag) the same thing happens - the carpet is cleaner, but the air is dirtier in terms of small particles, though the particles will be too small to see. Because they are smaller, they will take longer to settle. Use a vacuum with a filterair bag, which filters down to 6 microns, and afterwards the air will be filled with particles smaller than 6 microns. These take a very long time to settle, up to 4-12 hours, but are invisible, and unless you are allergic to them, cause no problems. Next, lets look at specific allergies. If you are allergic to pollen, most pollen is in the 8-10 micron range, if I recall. It won't be caught by a standard bag, but it will be caught by an "allergy bag". Some people are allergic to dust mite feces. These particles are .3 microns or so. No bag will catch them, and they will be caught only by a HEPA filter. Worse, these particles take up to 12 hours to settle. For a person with a severe dust mite allergy, if a home is vacuumed with a non-HEPA vacuum, that home will be uninhabitable for about 12-20 hours. I used to have to vacuum and then open all the windows and leave, or have my wife vacuum when I was not at home. Now that I have a HEPA vacuum (Air-way), this is no longer a problem. As I vacuum I actually feel better, not worse. Wow was I surprised the first time that happened! Furthermore I am no longer afraid to vacuum things like the pillows or mattress. Now I vacuum then regularly, which allows me to sleep much better at night. Old timer, you are fortunate not to have allergies. On the other hand, while you may not have dust mite allergies, but there are people who do. For those people a HEPA vacuum is of extreme value, and I for one would never go back to a regular vacuum. For someone in the business, it would behoove you to learn a little about this. That way, when a customer came in, you could ask them if they have allergies, and you could determine if they have an adverse reaction to vacuuming that could be remedied by a HEPA-rated vacuum. Once they realize the improvement it will make in their life, they will appreciate it a great deal, and will be willing to pay the cost difference to get a HEPA rated vacuum. So, in summary, a person with no allergies has no particlar need for a HEPA vacuum, or even Filtrette bags. A person with pollen allergies should be fine with improved bags. A person with dust mite allergies should use a HEPA rated vacuum. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/24/06 at 5:19pm Here's a link with the cut-a-way of the DC17 Cyclones. Looks like it's a Root12 instead of 11. http://www.sales.dyson.com |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/24/06 at 5:42pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
That's actually a cutaway of the Root 12 Cyclone unit from the DC08 canister. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Inmate Number 2 on 10/24/06 at 6:41pm Looks like the DC17 is finally online. http://www.dyson.com/range/range.asp?base=UPRIGHT |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by AndyWeter on 10/24/06 at 7:24pm My Dyson rep brought in a sample of this machine today. I love the colors, and the hose release system is greatly improved. However the bristles are EXTREMELY stiff. I have gray velvet plush in the store, and after a few passes with this machine, there was a huge ball of carpet fiber in the tank. It actually fuzzed the top of my carpet because the brushroll is so aggressive. It'll definitely clean well, though. Personally I would rather have a machine that's more gentle on the carpet, but can still do a good job of cleaning. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/24/06 at 7:30pm AndyWeter wrote:
I hope it's not another Carpet Killer.... http://www.ivacuumetc.com/storeimages/Carpet.jpg So for high shag caret the DC07, 14 and 15 is recommended and the low shag the DC17 would be the best choice? |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/24/06 at 10:37pm http://www.powervacs.com/prod_images/dy00103.jpg |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by old-timer on 10/25/06 at 7:49pm Hi Carl,thanks for informing me about sealed hepa vacuum cleaners,in fact we sell them,miele,bosch,lindhaus, the true hepa rating is what 99.97 down to .03 microns, in other words 10 thousand particles in .003 out.Where regular hepa is what 99.5 the h11 standard or en1822 standard in europe is stamped on kirby's new allergen reduction filters.you know the cloth type a 6 pack for 25.00 to 40.00 depending on where you get them,says right on the package removes 99.97% of hosehold dust,pollen,mites, and other particles. Now for the best part Kirby's micron magic paper inserts, fits G4 THRU G5, filters to 99.97% true hepa rating,featuring kirby's exclusive micro particle arrest technology PT*197394 priced between 15.99 to 29.99 depending on the dealer. so if true hepa is 99.97 what difference does it make whether the bags cloth or paper. The only advantage i can see is that the burst strenth is better on the cloth like bags. All newer kirby's with the start of diamond edition come with the NEW allergen reduction filters[BAGS], does not say bags on the package.So the way i see it kirby uses this ploy to make even more money, smart business people [and we know who owns kirby dont we Carmine.B.T.W. these [NEW] bags fit all the generation kirbys ;) So if kirby used a true hepa exhaust filter on the machine. 1 what good would it do? 2 what would this cost 60.00 a year like other 's 3 would the machine filter so well,that it would be certified as a class 3 medical device, like rainbow, thats another story for another time. 4 at the rediculous prices asked for true hepa sealed systems, I can not tell our customers with a strait face that they are getting their moneys worth.[ITS ABSURD] and an insult to my customers intelligence. 5 a box of surgical face masks are 5 bucks,for25 or so.I would gladly give them a box when they spend over $ 1600 for a vacuum cleaner. 6 food for thought the more it costs the longer the dog and pony show ;) regards O.T. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by M00seUK on 10/26/06 at 4:04pm Dyson_Chris wrote:
I hope it's not another Carpet Killer.... [/quote] LOL! Dyson: dammed if they do, dammed if they don't! |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/26/06 at 9:24pm One major close up picture. http://www.fileden.com/public/2006/10/26/45415b07b2f2f440888346.jpg |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 10/26/06 at 9:50pm The online reviews are in: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000I5REVA/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/002-0693223-1128846?ie=UTF8&n=284507&s=kitchen |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Dyson_Chris on 12/02/06 at 12:00pm What's going on with the new Dyson owners manuals. They are just terrible. Lack of info.... http://www.dyson.com/customercare/manuals/us/dc17_opmanual_usa.pdf |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by tiger21 on 12/03/06 at 4:09pm Dyson says that the DC-17 outcleans ALL repeat ALL other vacuums. Yet The Dyson suction reduced from 270 airwatts to 240 to 220 and now 200 airwatts power. Dyson even claims airwatts power is telling you the performance of the cleaner. They have yet to name makes and models tested. ALso their claim on approval by British allery sufferers group is not tht Allergy and Asthma foundation in the U.S. I have found testing in Europe to be different than the U.S. All the claims I have seen are done under Eoropean standards and not U.S. How do they stack up under U.S. standards. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by old-timer on 12/04/06 at 1:18pm It outcleans all other cleaners on VENUS :D. their advertising should say it never looses suction [for a little while]. What a joke.............. O.T. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Carmine_Difazio on 12/05/06 at 7:31am Dyson_Chris wrote:
The 3rd generation of dyson Owner Manuals is more user friendly: Easier and quicker to read. And still in both English and Spanish. But I think dyson went from one extreme (too much info) to the other extreme (too little info). I noticed the new DC17 Absolute Animal User Manual no longer shows both ways to dump the dirt bin: One specifically for allergy and/or asthma sufferers and the normal way for all others. I think that is an example of important information that should have remained in the dyson User Manual. The 3rd generation of product literature (DC16 and DC17) also includes both English and Spanish vice the first and second generation dyson product material which was only English. The addition of Spanish to the dyson product literature that accompanies the store displays is a smart marketing touch by dyson. And no doubt it will result in additional sales by dyson to Hispanic big box store vacuum buyers. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by tiger21 on 01/18/07 at 11:58pm Dyson lovers have one thing they can't dispute at least right now. The warrenty of one brand of carpet is voided if Dyson vacuums are used. The brand ( Unique Carpets Ltd. In Big letters says, " DO NOT USE ANY VACUUM BY DYSON VACUUM AS THESE WILL CAUSE EXCESS FUZZING. NO CLAIMS WILL BE ACCEPTED WHEN A DYSON VACUUM CLEANER IS USED." This is but one company that makes quality wool carpets. There could be others. So buyer beware is what one could say. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/19/07 at 2:34pm tiger21 wrote:
From Unique Carpets Limited (which has been in business for 20 years) web site: "Tufted Wool Collection Broadloom Unique Carpets Ltd. is the nations leading importer of quality wool carpets. We work with some of the finest mills in the world to bring an array of textures and styles to our tufted wool collection. We offer a wide variety of fashionable styles for your floor and we stock this entire collection in our Riverside California warehouse. From small loops to large loops, traditional berbers to sophisticated contemporary textures. As synthetic prices continue to increase, 100% wool carpets offer exceptional value and an affordable and fashionable alternative to an everyday carpet." 7360 Jurupa Avenue | Riverside, CA 92504 | (951) 352-8125 | Fax: (951) 352-8140 | e-mail us I have Mohawk wool carpets in my new house and encountered the excess fuzz problem (mostly around the brush bar) among others, with the dyson DC07 pink. I reported my problems to dyson by telephone and email. I shared pictures of the dyson brush bar and the email, including dyson's response, with a member of WTBV Forum. I subsequently gifted the dyson away. Mohawk is one of many name brands carried and sold by Unique Carpets Ltd. I use a HOOVER WT Supreme daily on my wool carpets. It's excellent. I've also used a 20+ year old Eureka upright and 10+ year old RICCAR upright (both with metal brush rolls and beater bars). Both of these vacuums worked well too, but not as good as the HOOVER WT Supreme. The rug dealer who sells the Mohawk wool carpet in my house, the builder (who is No. 1 in sales and satisfaction in Nevada in 2006), and the builder's rug and floor contractor warned against dyson vacuums on my wool carpets in Sept 2006, less than one month after I moved in. All 3 recommended the HOOVER Tempo and Windtunnel by name. Not just to me but to about 30 other residents attending the closed session sponsored by the builder on the care of the homes' floor coverings. Carmine D. |
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Title: Re: My new DC17 Post by Carmine_Difazio on 03/04/07 at 7:34am "I find that a great part of the information I have was acquired by looking up something and finding something else on the way." Franklin P. Adams (1881-1960) American journalist and humorist. No need to tread lightly on quality carpet "Wool is the pre-eminenet natural fiber and it yields a soft warm comfortable feel. Although wool does not possess natural resistance to moisture or abrasion, it ages well and is easy to clean. Because it is the most expensive carpet fiber, wool is generally used only in luxury carpets and area rugs." Carolyn Muse Grant Inside Spaces |
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