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The Vacuum Cleaner Test (Read 4150 times)
Carmine_Difazio
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Reply #40 -
11/17/06 at 7:35am
Planethoover:
Sorry, I stand corrected, LG Electronics and Samsung Electronis are not in North Korea. They both are in South Korea, crosstown from each other and in a race to be number one. I'll make the correction in my previous post. Thank you for noting it for me.
I should have used Korea instead just as the two companies do.
Both companies have factories and sales divisions around the world. LG is cranking up world-wide and the company is opening more factories outside Korea which are classified as overseas subsidiaries.
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11/17/06 at 3:41pm
Quote from Trilobite
on 11/15/06 at 7:44pm:
Quote from Mike_W.
on 11/15/06 at 5:14am:
Wow dualcyclone, two websites in one week. What's going on?
The vacuum cleaner bag is not going to disappear. There will always be a need for them. Bagless also have their place, but they are not for everyone. Some people should not have them because of allergies or respiratory problems. Bagless come in handy if you have alot of animal hair to pick up and you are finding that the bag must be changed in less than 4wks.
I still think that the disposable vacuum cleaner bag is the most efficient method of DISPOSING of dust and dirt. Particularly if the bag is made of filtrette material, and has the shutter to lock the dust inside.
Bagless machines, of all forms, including Dysons, are mucky beasts which should only be handled by non-allergic persons. To me, they are on a par with the old cloth bags for emptying.
I speak as a person who is allergic to various allergens, including house dust allergens, grass pollen and cat dander.
Vacuum cleaners w/ disposable bags are so much easier to use, IMHO. Just vacuum and put the machine away for the next time. When time comes to replace the bag, just toss it. I can recall makers such as Electrolux and Royal saying similar things.
Taking the container out to empty, after each vacuuming, can be a burden for some. Back in the day of cloth shake-out bags, makers recommended emptying the bag after every use. People did not want to do this. They allowed their bag to fill. I have shared before that I did the same thing.
For those of you who do not have "dust seals" for the opening of the disposable vacuum cleaner bag, there is a solution. If you have an issue w/ puffs of dust coming out of the opening of the bag, just stuff a tissue in the opening. I recall mentioning this before to a woman who visited this site. You can also get a piece of packing tape and use a piece the size of the opening and place it over the opening before lifting it out of the cleaner. Then toss the bag. Do not wait for your vacuum brand to come out w/ some form of bag seal, solve the problem yourself.
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11/17/06 at 4:28pm
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Hello Venson:..... The BISSELL Healthy Home made by Samsung in South Korea with a MSRP of $299 and the SEARS Iridium made by LG in South Korea with a MSRP of $499.
You can change it again, because-
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The Bissells..... This China-built upright ......
Many of these companies like Samsung, LG, Daewoo, etc. have factories in China
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11/17/06 at 5:42pm
Thanks Mike. Daewoo is a Korea company too, like Samsung and LG.
China, South Korea, Malaysia. All Asian labor which I have said on the Forum on many occasions is slave labor without the guilt.
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11/17/06 at 7:03pm
You're right Carmine. And I find that issue the hard part of buying. I paid full suggested price for my Iridium and it seems a shame that the workers who made it will see very little of the profit.
I recently viewed a documentary about the manufacture of the plastic beads they wore come Mardigra in New Orleans. The worker's made very little for their efforts, had to be away from home for months at a time and lived in dorms at the factory.
I'm in no way financially rich but I buy what I want when I want it. I nonetheless find it hard to understand why when dropping 500 bucks or more for goods made by someone in another part world the purchase turns out to be more at their expense than mine. A very sad situation.
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11/17/06 at 7:51pm
Quote from Carmine_Difazio
on 11/17/06 at 5:42pm:
Thanks Mike. Daewoo is a Korea company too, like Samsung and LG.
China, South Korea, Malaysia. All Asian labor which I have said on the Forum on many occasions is slave labor without the guilt.
Carmine D.
Dyson falls into this group. I believe that you have expressed this as on of the reasons no to buy that brand. Would you also discourage not buying LG and Samsung for that reason?
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11/17/06 at 10:04pm
Hello HS:
The short answer to your question is: No, I would not say don't buy the Samsung made BISSELL Healthy Home and/or the LG made SEARS Iridium, and/or the dyson.
I bought a dyson DC07 pink made in Malaysia. I gifted it away after about a month. If it met my needs, I probably would still have it and gifted the HOOVER WT Supreme. But the dyson was of no value to me collecting dust in the closet. The donee is enjoying it and it serves their needs. And they couldn't beat the price. I'm still using the HOOVER WT Supreme. BTW the full bag indicator came on today. THis will be the third bag replacement since August 10.
I've talked with dyson owners who bought UK made dysons and they claim that these are better than the Malaysian made dysons. And they tell me they won't purchase the new dysons for that reason.
Now for the longer answer to your question. I would admonish persons who buy LG and Samsung made vacuums to do so at their own peril. Why? Availabilty of parts and service. Especially the LG made SEARS Iridium. These are sold exclusively by SEARS now. In 2-3 years, where do they go for parts and service if needed? Will SEARS even carry the line? (Look at BEST BUY and the VAX line). BISSELL may not be as bad. Why? $300 and/or less price. More retailers carry and sell. Parts and service will be available. Even if parts and service are scarce, at $300 if you get 3 years before major problems, you can throw it away and buy a new vacuum. (Realistically, that's how and why the big box retailers sell these vacuums at these prices and stay in business). With a $500 vacuum? That hurts the ego and the pocket book after 3 years.
Dyson is still iffy. Parts and service are the problems. At $400 plus, after 2-3 years (for the dysons purchased between April 2002 and August 2006) what do you do? Where do you go? I see DC07 dysons more and less than 2 years old getting traded in when they have repair problems. People don't want the hassle of shipping them back to dyson and/or trying to locate an authorized dyson repair store. The people will trade in for a vacuum store brand like RICCAR/Simplicity and/or Miele after the dyson purchase. Why? Availability of parts and service from reputable authorized dealers. (Could this be the reason that one or more dyson dealers who proclaim dyson bagless as the best for years suddenly sign on with Miele? And is this the reason in part dyson extended the warranty to 5 years from 2? To make the hassle worth it.)
BTW, I think the worse of all the dyson vacuum purchases right now is the new DC07 Original at Wal*Mart for $378. One of the local Supercenters in North Las Vegas just added the DC07 Original to its store shelf. The problem: The 2 Year Warranty. Why buy it for $378 when the DC07 All Floors is available WITH A 5 YEAR WARRANTY at $399 before a 20 percent discount at several retailers. Dah? My sense is Wal*Mart and/or dyson will either lower the price and/or dyson will extend the warranty to 5 years. If not, the DC07 Original will not be renewed and will go the way of the DC07 All Carpets. Collectible.
Carmine D.
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Reply #47 -
11/18/06 at 1:39am
Carmine, I do agree with you regarding the service aspect. LG washer owners with issues are having serious problems getting good service as is stands, because they did not establish a good service network at the same time they started heavily promoting the TROMM (and sadly, raising their prices).
If the Iridium had been sold under LG's label and not Sears', though, I may have been tempted to pass it up for that very reason....but I've had pretty good experiences with Sears @ Hoffman Estates for getting parts....of course, service may become another matter, and I'm actually quite concerned that the parts division will be run differently under the new KMart influence.....but that's a whole other story.
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01/20/07 at 9:07am
Background to Dyson's Youtube video demonstration :-
http://publications.mediapost.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.showArticleHomeP age&art_aid=54148
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01/20/07 at 9:44am
So that was a Dyson ad all along..
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