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Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner (Read 10398 times)
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #270 - 05/21/07 at 6:54pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/05/07 at 8:50pm:
CPro:
What do you think about the $469 price tag on the dyson-lite (I mean Slim) vacuum? Same as the full size dyson price with a lot less umph in both rug and tool modes. Do you think this is troubling to shoppers and/or worthy of a pass to have the latest and greatest dyson-lite?
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Since you ask, I don't have any particular opinion on this. The $469 price when adjusted for inflation and/or the devaluation of the US Dollar is not much different from the $399 on the original DC07. From my brief examination of the DC18 in a Best Buy, I think it is a very nice vacuum. It seemed easy to use, and handled very well. It felt much lighter in use than the actual weight. It also seemed to be well made, and I suspect it will be a durable vacuum. The only real negative about it is the very narrow wand and tiny combination tool, which I would think would limit its usefulness for above-the-floor work.
 
As far as the cleaning performance, or whether the brushroll is appropriately agressive without being excessively agressive, I have no information or comments. I'll leave that to others to comment on. I note that in another thread, you indicated that you are going to buy one. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if your wife or daughter actually likes it. I personally haven't felt that any of the later Dysons fit any need that I had, but the DC15 I would consider buying. The price wouldn't scare me, but only the limited usefulness with tools. If I were a vacuum store, this is probably a model I would consider carrying, but only if there was a potential for profit between cost and the discounts.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #271 - 05/21/07 at 10:58pm
 
I think the DC18 offers a fairly good compromise of features.  It's the first Dyson upright that can maneuver under furniture fairly well.   Most consumers who have the disposable income to buy a $500 vacuum are likely in the 40+ age range, and most of them are more concerned with ease of use.  While CR hasn't released a score for carpet cleaning, the video review seemed to be positive.  
 
I'm not sure why CR makes such a flippant statement about the value of the DC18 versus the Hoover Tempo, based solely on initial cost.   CR does the consumer a disservice when it fails to take into account of the estimated cost of ownership for a 4 or 5 year period and differences in features.    CR does not seem to place any value on quality/quantity of cleaning attachments.  CR also fails to reward Dyson for being the easiest bagless vacuum to maintain.   If you have to have a filthy bagless vacuum, you want one that is relatively easy to empty and maintain.  
 
The $469 price tag for the Dyson DC18, seems to be in line with the $350 Riccar Supralite, $400 Oreck XL, and the $750 Oreck XL21-700, particularly given that an additional purchase of a canister is needed for cleaning with tools for these models (perhaps a canister is included on the Orecks?).    
 
While the Hoover is certainly a great value, I'm not sure that Hoover helps its bottom line by selling a $60 vacuum that cleans as well as their $300 vacuums.  The Dyson-lite could end up being Dyson's highest rated vacuum the next time CR releases ratings.  
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #272 - 05/22/07 at 7:51am
 
Quote from RAT on 05/21/07 at 10:58pm:


The Dyson-lite could end up being Dyson's highest rated vacuum the next time CR releases ratings.  


 
I wholeheartedly agree.  I think it is the best dyson vacuum produced and sold to date.  Despite the smallish dirt bin.  
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #273 - 05/23/07 at 9:36am
 
I would say that brush roll,type the angle of the brush on the brush itself,the firmness or lack of it can and does make most machines look bad or perform like a champ,personally i dont think wooden or metal dowels matter,both warp after a while,even the plastic ones go out of round[bearing type is important,].Brush speed is also important.With all the different types of carpeting today,it's very hard for the vacuum mfgs to find the right combination for everyone.It seems like uprights use the following as a base line, when cfm,airmovement is very high the weaker the bristles, on machines that dont move as much air the stiffer the bristles,although there are some that try the high air movement,tuff brush approach.
 
It's really tough to get a handle on the set up.
the best is to test drive on your rugs and carpet before buying.....
 
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Reply #274 - 05/23/07 at 12:46pm
 
That raises an interesting question. How many vacuum makers offer a selection of brushrolls, with the independent vacuum shop helping to select, and then installing one appropriate for the customer's carpet?
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Reply #275 - 05/23/07 at 3:54pm
 
Hi Carl,dont quote me but i think that kirby offers 2 different brush options,the standard one is very stiff,I believe the other is the berber rug option.
 
Not to many dealers get involved with it as far as i know.
 
I think hoover had the nylon and natural bristle at one time.The white ones used in the uprights were the softer of the 2.
 
It seems like the dc18 brush roll  is a good compromise,and should sweep up the rug and lift the pile over the07,14,.
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #276 - 07/07/07 at 12:54pm
 
Seems a vacuum cleaner professional, who rates in the top 25 eBay reviewers, found the DC18 to be top heavy too.  Here's his quote verbatim:
 
"The New Dyson Slim that has just been launched spring 2007, is Dysons light weight vacuum. Probably due to all the complaints abot the heavy weight. It has great suction, it is only 12 pound, Thats good for Dyson, Not as light as Oreck. A major problem with the slim is they are top heavy and when standing, can easily topple over. I treid it and went to move some chairs and it fell over twice. You dont want a hard plastic 12 pound vacuum crushing down on your ankles or furniture. Its still brand new and I am sure Dyson will rectify the problem. Please Dyson people dont call me about this again, as I said to you this is just a consumer guide, with good and bad points. In the US we are allowed to do this."
 
I saw the same happen to my daughter's neighbor's DC18 while it was standing in the garage.  Down to the ground like a felled tree.  Fortunately, not on the neighbor or the pet or the car, or anything else.  
 
Let's go dyson engineers.  Get it right for once and for all.
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #277 - 07/07/07 at 1:22pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 07/07/07 at 12:54pm:
Seems a vacuum cleaner professional, who rates in the top 25 eBay reviewers, found the DC18 to be top heavy too.  Here's his quote verbatim:

"The New Dyson Slim that has just been launched spring 2007, is Dysons light weight vacuum. Probably due to all the complaints abot the heavy weight. It has great suction, it is only 12 pound, Thats good for Dyson, Not as light as Oreck. A major problem with the slim is they are top heavy and when standing, can easily topple over. I treid it and went to move some chairs and it fell over twice. You dont want a hard plastic 12 pound vacuum crushing down on your ankles or furniture. Its still brand new and I am sure Dyson will rectify the problem. Please Dyson people dont call me about this again, as I said to you this is just a consumer guide, with good and bad points. In the US we are allowed to do this."

I saw the same happen to my daughter's neighbor's DC18 while it was standing in the garage.  Down to the ground like a felled tree.  Fortunately, not on the neighbor or the pet or the car, or anything else.  

Let's go dyson engineers.  Get it right for once and for all.

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Can't find this review... do you mind providing a link.  You aren't quoting Mark the Oreck dealer "reviewing" the competion again are you?
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #278 - 07/07/07 at 4:42pm
 
Hello Jim:
 
The narrative in the DC18 is an excerpt from the link I posted by Mark on another thread that you responded to already.  Did you respond to my post with the link without reading the review?   Wink  
 
BTW, after several emails to NPD, and several weeks passed, NPD did not respond to my inquiries asking about the sales percentages credited to it by USA Today.  I think they have staffers that read the WTBV Forum too.    
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #279 - 07/07/07 at 7:33pm
 
Hello Carmine,
 
I recently purchased a DC-18 and have had it for several months now. So far I don't find it to be top heavy and it has never once toppled over as you describe. In fact, it appears to be very stable even on thick carpeting.  
 
I'm curious to know how a DC-18 could possibly fall over on a smooth, flat concrete garage floor? Is it possible the operater didn't correctly lock the wheels in its upright position? I've tried and tried to make mine fall over but it simply remains standing like a 200 year old cedar!  
 
I guess I must be blessed; or is this simply a continuation of your anti-Dyson false propaganda BS?  
 
Anyone frequenting this forum can easily get the answer right on the first try!
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