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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #630 - 03/17/06 at 4:00pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 03/17/06 at 3:27pm:

Now back to MAP. Knowing that BEST BUY has the same models as the retailers discounting the DC07, 14, and 15 All Floors for 20 percent off MSRP, what will BEST BUY do for a customer in the store? Meet the price (20 percent off MSRP) or lose the sale?

Simple question. I asked DC15 the same question. No answers.

Carmine D.

Quote from JimB on 03/17/06 at 2:46pm:

Best buy only matches prices if the exact model is priced in that advertisement in your example. I have not seen any claims that any one is breaking map pricing and is putting out advertisements with dyson models with listed prices under map pricing. Walmart did do this, broke map and we have seen the results. Excellent example to show the value of map pricing though, thanks.

Once again Carmine I did answer the question. However even though I answered it I still say your premise is make believe. There is no advertisement that a consumer can walk into best buy and say this model number is at this price and I want you to match it. Best Buy's policy would not have them matching another stores generic whole store or whole department on sale coupons.

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #631 - 03/17/06 at 6:43pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 03/17/06 at 3:27pm:

Now back to MAP. Knowing that BEST BUY has the same models as the retailers discounting the DC07, 14, and 15 All Floors for 20 percent off MSRP, what will BEST BUY do for a customer in the store? Meet the price (20 percent off MSRP) or lose the sale?

Simple question. I asked DC15 the same question. No answers.

Carmine D.

What did you not understand Carmine? He answered the question, maybe not to your satisfaction since he did not say that you were correct.
You have have difficulty in comprehending. Unlike you Jim answers in truth. You lie and tell just enough to make your story fit your argument.

What medication do you take for your Alzheimers?

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #632 - 03/17/06 at 7:10pm

Quote from JimB on 03/17/06 at 4:00pm:

Once again Carmine I did answer the question. However even though I answered it I still say your premise is make believe. There is no advertisement that a consumer can walk into best buy and say this model number is at this price and I want you to match it. Best Buy's policy would not have them matching another stores generic whole store or whole department on sale coupons.

In theory your answer is correct. In practice its absolutely erroneous. If a customer walks into BEST BUY with the advertising sections of any retailer with the DC07, 14, and 15 at MSRP: $399, $429, and $499 respectively and the 20 percent off coupon page with the advertisement, BEST BUY will match the price. FACT.

You're so focused on the letter of the MAP law you lose sight of the issue: What is the lowest price a consumer can pay to buy a dyson? The answer is easily 20 percent off the advertised MSRP which means below MAP.

The point: MAP doesn't mean anything. It's what a customer pays to buy the dyson that matters. Any shopper can buy any dyson below MAP with no problem at all. Dyson MAP is no different than any other vacuum maker's MAP. It's a farce in the USA vacuum industry and always has been. Dyson's MAP is no different.

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The Ball (DC15)
Reply #633 - 03/17/06 at 7:40pm

[quote HARDSELL date=03/17/06 at 18:43:56]

Unlike you Jim answers in truth.
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Really? Okay. Let's put your statement to the test. Matt mmc says the new dyson canister is in R&D. JimB agreed. Questions for Jim B and Matt mmc: When is the new dyson canister slotted to enter the USA vacuum market? And what can you tell us about it in comparison to the DC11? Say price, performance?

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Re: The Ball (DC15)
Reply #634 - 03/18/06 at 11:32am

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 03/17/06 at 7:40pm:

Unlike you Jim answers in truth.
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Really? Okay. Let's put your statement to the test. Matt mmc says the new dyson canister is in R&D. JimB agreed. Questions for Jim B and Matt mmc: When is the new dyson canister slotted to enter the USA vacuum market? And what can you tell us about it in comparison to the DC11? Say price, performance?

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Reality check.... I don't care what the industry no one is going to tell you on a forum like this the what and when of a future product launch. An alleged industry professional saying a company or companies supporters are "lying" when they are not giving competition the complete plan of future product launches is just a little bit delusional.

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Carmine_Difazio Ultimate Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 5559	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #635 - 03/18/06 at 12:41pm It doesn't sound like you agree that truth is/can be provided by dyson insiders if asked to do so on certain issues. What's the alternative: Spin? Seems simple enough to answer whether its coming and ETA? They have done it before on Forum, months in advance. Why the secrecy now? What's the surprise? Truth or spin? Carmine D.
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old-timer Ultimate Member I love YaBB 1G - SP1! Posts: 1223	Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15) Reply #636 - 03/18/06 at 12:46pm Carmine, before going off again, why dont you take it at face value and give them the benefit of the dought, that it's in R and D. old-timer
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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #637 - 03/18/06 at 1:45pm

Let's remember big picture although I am not a canister fan there are many countries where dyson sells canisters well at a high price point. To think they are not developing and planning new canisters that will better fit the largest market in the world than the dc 11 did would be shortsighted wishfull thinking for some.

What is the point to asking for specifics of future product launches? I can understand the curiousity as dyson continues to reinvigorate and cause excitement, but what are you exactly trying to prove by demanding price point info, launch date and product specifics? Every current manufacturer talked about on this site has product in R @ D or should we doubt this if they are unwilling to give the exact specifics you want on a open forum?

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #638 - 03/18/06 at 3:16pm

Quote from old-timer on 03/18/06 at 12:46pm:

Carmine, before going off again, why dont you take it at face value and give them the benefit of the dought, that it's in R and D.

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Going off? I asked some questions about the canister? What's the secrecy? Why have insiders on the Forum if they can't at least offer some insight. I think they would be anxious to do so. Am I wrong?

Have you heard any more about the canister that you want to share?

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Re: Dyson's The Ball (DC15)
Reply #639 - 03/18/06 at 4:39pm

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 03/18/06 at 3:16pm:

What's the secrecy? Why have insiders on the Forum if they can't at least offer some insight. I think they would be anxious to do so. Am I wrong?

Carmine D.

OK, Carmine I will play your game. You claim to have inside hoover contacts so what is there next future product to be launched? What is the price point? What is the launch date? Can you offers some specific insights on the future product to share with the competition? You should be anxious to share. What do you and your contacts have to hide?

Seems just a bit silly doesn't it...

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