Quote from HARDSELL   on 03/14/06 at 9:03pm:

 
Hardsell,
 
No one said that the Dyson isn't a better vacuum than the Oreck for you.  Maybe if you read what I said a little slower, you'll understand it.   You have already admitted that you don't think there's any way possible for a homeowner to run a fair test to assess carpet cleaning performance.  You seem to take a faith based approach to comparing performance.  As I've said before, most consumers are more concerned with ease of use than they are carpet cleaning performance.  
 
The leading consumer magazine does not take advertisements.  In head to head repeatable tests in a state of the art laboratory, the Orecks (XL21-700 and XL Deluxe models), likely with a brand new bags, removed more dirt from test rugs than Dyson.  The performance of the Oreck will degrade as the bag fills, so at some point the Dyson's performance will be better than that of the Oreck.  
 
With an empty bag, fan first vacuums like the Oreck, Sanitaire, Royals and Kirby are extremely good cleaners. From an energy point of view, they are also very efficient.  
 
If I had to choose between owning an Oreck or a Dyson, I would take the Dyson because of ease of use and versatility issues. But that does not change the fact that initially the Oreck cleans carpeting better.  
 
 

Stop with this pulling out in Wal Mart crap when it's available for sale on there website.

[quote author=RAT link=board=wtb-vacuum;num=1112876564;start=600#610 date=03/15/06 at 09:48:35]
 
Hardsell,
 
No one said that the Dyson isn't a better vacuum than the Oreck for you.  Maybe if you read what I said a little slower, you'll understand it.   You have already admitted that you don't think there's any way possible for a homeowner to run a fair test to assess carpet cleaning performance.  You seem to take a faith based approach to comparing performance.  As I've said before, most consumers are more concerned with ease of use than they are carpet cleaning performance.  
 
The leading consumer magazine does not take advertisements.  In head to head repeatable tests in a state of the art laboratory, the Orecks (XL21-700 and XL Deluxe models), likely with a brand new bags, removed more dirt from test rugs than Dyson.  The performance of the Oreck will degrade as the bag fills, so at some point the Dyson's performance will be better than that of the Oreck.  
 
With an empty bag, fan first vacuums like the Oreck, Sanitaire, Royals and Kirby are extremely good cleaners. From an energy point of view, they are also very efficient.  
 
If I had to choose between owning an Oreck or a Dyson, I would take the Dyson because of ease of use and versatility issues. But that does not change the fact that initially the Oreck cleans carpeting better.  
 
 
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The problem is that you are becoming like someone else.  Tell only enough to make it sound as if Dyson is at the bottom of the performance list.
 
I know the whole story, however there are others who believe that Oreck is best simply because it is light and that David has convinced them that is is the greatest vacuum ever made.  Jim Baker went to jail for lying.

JimB amd Matt mmc (both self-proclaimed dyson insiders) made the claim on this Forum that dyson pulled out of Wal-Mart because of the roll back prices on the DC07 All Floors for $349 during the Holiday season.  NOt once, not twice, not three times but more.  And now other dyson diehards are spouting the same as fact.  WRONG.  If you want to use the "C" word as a descriptor for a falsehood use it for their claim.  
 
This Forum knows for a FACT (confirmed by Matt mmc) that at least two nationally known big box retailers ROUTINELY advertise and sell the DC07, DC14, and DC15 for 20 percent off MAP WITH AND WITHOUT the discount coupons.  Why?    
 
As a dyson seller, if a customer tells you he/she can get the same model dyson as your DC15 for 20 percent off the price you quote, what would you do?  Match it, better it, or lose the sale?  
 
If you say "lose the sale" then I'll use the "C" word to describe the genuineness of your answer.  
 
Matt mmc and Jim B owe the Forum an explanation of the double dyson standard.  They are both conspicuously silent.    
 
Carmine D.

Jim B
 
You have refused to say what your connection is with dyson, despite being asked by several Forumers.  Matt mmc is a dyson rep and does not answer.  Matt says he is here to set the Forum straight on the dyson facts.  You provide dyson spin and non-answers to direct questions.  
 
If I were selling the DC15 All Floors for $499, the MSRP for the DC15, and a potential customer says he/she can buy it from two other local big box retailers for $399, I won't think dyson is working hard to keep prices up.  
 
What's creative about advertising the dyson DC07, DC14, and DC15 for MSRP and then advertising a 20 percent off coupon on them.  Dyson MAP allows advertising 10 percent off MSRP, not 15 percent and surely not 20 percent off MSRP.  And these retailers will even sell the dyson products for 20 percent off MSRP without the advertised coupons.  That's creative?
 
Dyson can't have it both.  You and Matt mmc can't praise dyson by claiming it pulled out of Wal-Mart for going below 10 percent off MSRP (but less than 15 percent) and praise other retailers for creativity for offering 20 percent off MSRP with/without discount coupons.  
 
You don't have to be an expert in the vacuum industry to know a dyson spin when you hear it.  
 
Carmine D.