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Reply #520 - 02/22/06 at 3:22pm
 
Quote from tiger21   on 02/22/06 at 3:07pm:
...If you are allergic to Dust Mites two machines you don't want are Bagless and Water Bowl vacuum cleaners.

 
I disagree on water bowl or Rainbow vacuums having a problem containing dust mites. Please explain how they are released back into the breathing air while emptying.
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Reply #521 - 02/22/06 at 3:25pm
 
 To be correct , wasn't that Sir Thomas Moore, ArchBishop of Canterberry? I still not up that well on English history since I am an American.
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Reply #522 - 02/22/06 at 3:33pm
 
Bruce,  
  I have an article that states do not used water bowled vacuums if you have an allergy to dust mites.
 
" An allergy- triggering enzyme from dust mites dissolves in the water and spreads into the air."  
  Journal American  9/ 26/ 1995
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Reply #523 - 02/22/06 at 3:35pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 02/22/06 at 3:14pm:



Did he have any More new definitions for English words?

BTW, his name is Thomas Moore.   Wink

Carmine D.

So your touted industry standard test gets called out specifically as deceptive and useless in its usage as it is applied for the hoover fusion and instead standing by it defending its specifics you look for words not used in there most common definition and spelling typo's from other posters?  Is that an Ivy league debate technique because it seems similar to one my 10 year old might try.
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Reply #524 - 02/22/06 at 3:58pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 02/22/06 at 1:07pm:
"Suction" in the industry does not apply to the upright carpet cleaning mode.  It applies to suction for tool use.

When suction is meant to apply to the upright cleaning carpet mode the industry uses the vernacular "carpet nozzle suction."

Anthing else I can clarify for you Jimbo?

Carmine D.

 
As I suspected, you once again have avoided a direct question. After over 3300 posts this is the first time you've ever used this term. Actually this would be the first time "anyone" has used the phrase on this forum.  
 
We can conclude, and the fact remains, the ASTM F558 test method (referred to by Hoover) is strictly and specifically related to hose performance, not carpet nozzle performance.  
 
Deceivingly, Hoover uses it to infer BOTH.
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Reply #525 - 02/22/06 at 5:19pm
 
Quote from RAT   on 02/22/06 at 2:38pm:


Jim B,

I believe the 10oz originated with Dyson's original claim.  
Hoover used the same 10oz to standardize to the Dyson test.  Surely you are familiar with that test and the accompanying chart.  All other vacuums were supposed to completely lose suction after inhaling only 10oz of dirt.  Hoover used the same 10oz to disprove Dyson's statement.  

I'm glad to hear that you are quoting from Consumer Reports.  I'm kind of surprised that you would be allowed to acknowledge Consumer Reports.

Now Dyson is resorting to the dust mite campaign (see Dyson web page) used in the past by sleazy door-to-door brands.  First of all, I don't see the point in demonizing dust mites.  They provide a very important function in devouring dead skin cells.  Where is the proof that using a Dyson will have any effect at all on dust mite population in the home?  This ad is more misleading than anything David Oreck has ever done.  With a bagless vacuum like the Dyson, just how many dust mites are released every time the bin is emptied?  

By the way, the term "industry standard" is appropriate for describing ASTM tests.  That is the whole point of having a standard.  These standards are not static either.  Methodologies are improved as technology advances.  

CR was right to warn consumers about potential problems with the Hoover Fusion; however, it is not clear whether the problem is widespread.  It very well may be, or it could just be a problem with a batch of products.  I would recommend that Walmart consumers purchase bagged vacuums to avoid the leakage problems associated with bagless vacuums.  Bagless vacuums are just plain filthy to empty.  If I had to own a bagless vacuum, it would be the Rainbow, because at least the dirt would be dissolved in water and relatively easy to empty.  












 
 
HELLO RAT:
 
Sad that the best marketing campaign the new dyson ad agency can come up with is dust mites.  Very original.
 
Dyson's old ad agency took the hit for the bumbling advertising claims by dyson.  Somebody had to, the dyson execs won't admit errors.  They don't even accept industry recognized standards.  They have their own!  
 
So along comes a new ad agency and the best they offer dyson customers are dust mites.  I think the claim: NEVER LOSES SUCTION is correct.  For the dust mites not the dysons.  Cheesy
 
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Reply #526 - 02/22/06 at 7:54pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio   on 02/22/06 at 5:19pm:



HELLO RAT:


Dyson's old ad agency took the hit for the bumbling advertising claims by dyson. Somebody had to, the dyson execs won't admit errors.

Carmine D.



 
So you got toasted by facts and chose to run away from a debate with someone who looks to be knowledable on the tests you always quote, by why fall back to making up stuff  .  Where can you reference why Dyson switched ad agencies?  What claims exactly has Dyson backed off of?  So they changed their ad agency, are they really suppose to list every claim they have ever made in past ads in all future ad's?
 
I do like that statement about the "Carmine" Standard .  I believe most consumers who read yours and Hoovers claim referencing the ASTM on the Fusion have no idea it does not pertain to carpet cleaning and expires before the first 11 ounces are picked up by the machine.
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Reply #527 - 02/22/06 at 8:22pm
 
 Just a thought . What is the average person willing to pay for belt and clutch assembly for  a Dyson. The going charge out of warranty is $49 for labor, $44 for a clutch assembly with flat belts add tax and you are talking around$90.
  Dyson while under warranty will pay the warranty station $30 for changing a clutch assembly.
  The last clutch assembly in an upright was in an Electrolux Upright made in 1976-84. The belts were cog belts and I never replaced a one. Dyson have flat belt that stretch and break.
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Reply #528 - 02/22/06 at 9:36pm
 
Quote from tiger21   on 02/22/06 at 3:07pm:
 If I remember correctly it was the Hoover Windtunnel Bagless that cleaned 54% more dirt than Dyson. They did not claim to lose suction. They claimed to clean better.  

 
For how long?  How was the test performed?
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Reply #529 - 02/22/06 at 10:46pm
 
Hardsell,
 I was not at the test but I would judge how tests I have seen done that an equal amount of Dirt was put down on the test carpet and when the cleaners were run so long they were checked to see who got the most dirt.
     
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