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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #70 - 10/19/06 at 9:30pm
 
Quote from JimB on 10/19/06 at 3:35pm:
Hey Carmine,
   I think Walmarts strategy of going after more high end product like plasma tv's is a great move for them.  I am sure dyson is ecstatic to be back in Walmart and in front of those 1 million consumer a day.  Personally I will wait and see the effects on business.  The product is differentiated with less features to affect the lower price, but I will have to wait to see how upselling from those looking at this model will go.  I am however encouraged that dyson has already shown they will walk away from Walmart business if needed.

 
Alas.  We agree EXCEPT for the last sentence.  Since the contracts that Wal*Mart and suppliers have are confidential you and I will never know "the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" about the falling out.  My sense is that it involved a dispute in the written and most likely unwritten portions of the agreement.  The resolution and reintroduction of dyson to Wal*Mart took longer than most contract disputes.  In part I believe due to the newness of the business relationship.  I'm also sure that dyson is ecstatic to be back in Wal*Mart.  But its a 2 edged sword.  Despite alot of wishing and thinking otherwise, the absence of dyson vacuums from Wal*Mart stores for over one year had a significant effect on dyson sales.  
 
I liked the ALL CARPET dyson at Wal*Mart better than any of the dyson DC07 models.  If I bought and used that model on my wool Mohawk carpets, I'd still have it.  No gawdawful ratcheting noises to contend with.  I was sorry to see dyson abandon it.  It was a good venue for Wal*Mart stores.
 
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Reply #71 - 10/20/06 at 12:33pm
 
The new BISSELL "Healthy Home" and and Pro-Heat 2X were featured today on Good Morning America and in the Wall Street Journal.  The show and article deal with household odors and what companies are doing to reduce and/or eliminate these odors.  In the case of the BISSELL, the manufacturer uses Microban antimicrobial product protection to reduce and eliminate unhealthy dust and dirt odors.  These household odors are not always detected by household occupants.  Use of the product doesn't cover up the odor but reduces and eliminates.  Microban and its usage by Oreck and others has been discussed recently on the Forum.
 
Also mentioned are the replacement vacuum filters and paper bags made by Arm and Hammer and sold through retailers and used by independent vacuum store owners.  These vacuum products use baking soda to neutralize and eliminate dusty musty vacuum odors.
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #72 - 10/20/06 at 2:10pm
 
Carmine, and the other Gurues here on the board:
 
I was once told by a vac shop not to use Baking soda with my vacuum, because it was highly corrosive to bearings and armatures.
 
I used to sprinkle it on my carpet and vacuum it up.  After he told me that I quit.  The same with what others here have said about carpet fresh.  A small part will always get by and end up in the motor.  This includes by-pass motors becuse their cooling air is taken in so close to the action.  
 
If this isn't correct I will go back to the sprinkle and vac.  
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Reply #73 - 10/20/06 at 4:29pm
 
It's true that carpet fresheners and baking soda should not be used all the time in a vacuum cleaner.  Some will get into the bearings on the end of the brush bar. Some will get into the filtration system. And some will get into the fans (motor) whether they be the suction or the cooling fans.  However, infrequent use will not do any damage.  It's only the daily, frequent, constant use of these products that's the problem. Really, not even that. The problem comes due to the fact that they SIT ON TOP of the carpet, where the cooling fan from the Kirby can pick them up and send them over the armature.  Or they can be inhaled into the Hoover Fusion and end up clogging the pre motor as well as post motor filters (plus, getting into the suction fan).
 
I have infrequently used baking soda to deoderize my carpets (as well as to provide visual 'dirt' when testing a cyclonic upright), but I RUB THE BAKING SODA INTO THE RUG, so it is not sitting on the top of the carpet.  Baking soda is light in character, so the suction pretty well picks it all up with one use.  And the rug smells like nothing (deoderized) after its use.  Since the baking soda is considered 'dirt' by the vacuum, I do not do this all the time, probably only three or four times in an entire year.  There's enough 'real' dirt in my home without adding to the dust load the vacuums have to contend with.
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Reply #74 - 10/20/06 at 7:08pm
 
J-P-T:
 
Here are the website links FYI:
 
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2590491
 
www.realestatejournal.com
 
The WSJ article is by June Fletcher and can be found in "House Talk" (Home Front) "Smelly Carpets, Meet Silver Icons."  But not until tomorrow.
 
http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Arm+and+Hammer+vacuum+Bags&hl=en&lr=&rls=RNWE,RNWE:2006-17,RNWE:en&sa=X&oi=froogle&ct=title
 
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #75 - 10/24/06 at 5:17pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 10/17/06 at 6:21pm:
What I said was "bagless" vacuums, regardless of the technology, would never be incorporated as mainstream into premium USA household brand vacuums. And the bagless fad would fade as people learn the nuisance and health hazards of dirt bin dumping.

 
Yes, and to your credit, you have stuck with that forecast even thought the trend has been and continues to be strongly in the other direction. When you are consistently wrong, it isn't always easy to stick to your guns. As you say yourself:
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 10/17/06 at 6:21pm:

In the USA recently, the cyclonic suction technology has been reproduced in vacuum brands and sold at consistently lower and lower retail prices.

 
By contrast, dual has forecast that as Dyson patents expire the cyclonic technology would be adopted by other vacuum makers at decreasing prices, and that bagged vacuums would become a specialty item while cyclonic bagless vacuums became the mainstream. Thus far his projection would seem to be the more accurate, but the battle will continue into the future for awhile. Bagless vacuums could fade, or at the other extreme, bagged vacuums could go the way of the vinyl LP and bias-ply tires.  
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Reply #76 - 10/24/06 at 6:05pm
 
CPro:
 
Welcome back.  It's always a pleasure to read your insight on the Forum.  Since you are sort of a "hit and miss" reader and poster on the Forum, you may be "out of the loop" on the vacuums that are getting purchased by Forumers in the "premium" high end vacuum range.  Most recently the bagged upright and bagged canisters are the ones of choice with RICCAR and Miele most noted.  These high end premium vacuum store brands have stayed the course with the bagged vacuums choosing to improve filters and bags rather than going with the fad: bagless.  As you said, time will tell and the battle continues.
 
Most quoted by dyson admirers on the Forum and by James himself in his product literature is the now famous line that the HOOVER Exec made about dyson in the UK: That he wishes HOOVER took  dyson up on the offer to purchase the technology.  The implication IMHO is that dyson bagless technology is better than bagged vacuums.  I disagree with this perception.  I believe as always stated by HOOVER and other premium brands that they KNOW bagged vacuums are better.  And they preferred to keep the bagless vacuums off the market.  Since dyson uprights have been such popular big box store sellers, it has forced vacuum makers who sell primarily through the big box stores to compete with the bagless vacuums.  How?  By producing bagless.  But these brands keep their premium line with bags: HOOVER still has the bagged WT 2; Dirt Devil the Powercast; EUREKA with the BOSS Smart vacuum (consistently a top rated vacuum by Consumer Reports) and its premium line of Electrolux cleaners and I can go on.
 
You forgot to mention that I also consistently said bagless is a perfect venue for USA hand and stick cleaners and more of these are going that route.  
 
BTW have you seen the Euro-Pro Infinity?  What are your thoughts?  These 24 cyclone bagless uprights would serve you well in your businesses after the dysons are retired.  And less than half the price with parts readily available now among the vacuum cleaner store independents.
 
Check out Wal*Mart when you have time.  The technical charts have reversed recently in its favor.  Wink
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #77 - 10/26/06 at 11:04pm
 
I noticed on Shark's website that for this model even the cyclonic chambers are available for sale as a replacement part. I'm a bit suspicious. Is there a reason that they would make this part available as a separate part? Perhaps it's easier  for the manufacturer to offer the replacement part than to offer an apology??? Hmmm........
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Reply #78 - 10/27/06 at 8:16am
 
Quote from johncainltd on 10/26/06 at 11:04pm:
I noticed on Shark's website that for this model even the cyclonic chambers are available for sale as a replacement part. I'm a bit suspicious. Is there a reason that they would make this part available as a separate part? Perhaps it's easier  for the manufacturer to offer the replacement part than to offer an apology??? Hmmm........

 
The suction cyclones' compartment, shroud screen, and dirt bin easily come apart (without tools) and can be washed and aired dry (24 hours is recommended) or blown dry and put back together.  Voila, just like new again.  All the dirt, dust and germs are gone.  Just like the washable filters that have to be air dried, and users have a spare to use in the meantime, the cyclones' compartment is the same.
 
If you look carefully at the cyclones, eached is shrouded for protection.  I don't believe these will break, warp, and/or crack.  But if they do, they can be replaced separetely from the other components.  A nice feature IMHO.
 
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Re: Another New Cyclonic Upright
Reply #79 - 10/27/06 at 4:59pm
 
Quote from dualcyclone on 10/20/06 at 4:29pm:
It's true that carpet fresheners and baking soda should not be used all the time in a vacuum cleaner.  Some will get into the bearings on the end of the brush bar. Some will get into the filtration system. And some will get into the fans (motor) whether they be the suction or the cooling fans.  However, infrequent use will not do any damage.  It's only the daily, frequent, constant use of these products that's the problem. Really, not even that. The problem comes due to the fact that they SIT ON TOP of the carpet, where the cooling fan from the Kirby can pick them up and send them over the armature.  Or they can be inhaled into the Hoover Fusion and end up clogging the pre motor as well as post motor filters (plus, getting into the suction fan).

I have infrequently used baking soda to deoderize my carpets (as well as to provide visual 'dirt' when testing a cyclonic upright), but I RUB THE BAKING SODA INTO THE RUG, so it is not sitting on the top of the carpet.  Baking soda is light in character, so the suction pretty well picks it all up with one use.  And the rug smells like nothing (deoderized) after its use.  Since the baking soda is considered 'dirt' by the vacuum, I do not do this all the time, probably only three or four times in an entire year.  There's enough 'real' dirt in my home without adding to the dust load the vacuums have to contend with.

 
 
Dual,  
Thank you for your reply, I am just sorry it took me so long to read it.  When I did use baking soda I always stomped/rub it in.  I didn't use it alot, but I did use it occasionaly in the area where the dog lays.  
 
It's good to know that It can be used on occasion without going to vacuum hell.  
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