WhatsTheBest-Vacuum.com
Vacuum Cleaners HomeVacuum Cleaners Buying GuideFeatured ProductsVacuum Cleaners ForumVacuum Cleaner ReviewsAbout Us

- Featured Products


What's the Best
- Vacuum Cleaners
- Contact Us
- Privacy Policy


 
Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register.
Home Help Search Login Register


Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 
Send Topic Print
Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds (Read 1085 times)
D.E.P.
Junior Member
**


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 28
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #40 - 05/18/07 at 2:52pm
 
Carmine,
 
I looked at the Lowe’s Website and there is nothing in any of the on-line flyers, and nothing in the appliance section about 30% off anything. When you add any vacuum to your cart they are full price as is shown on the Vacuum page.
 
I called the store in Piscataway and the person in the appliance department had no idea what I was talking about. They had not heard of any sale for 30% off…
 
Please provide the link to the 30% off at Lowe’s,..
 
Also – I check the Kohl’s website. You are only eligible to get the 15% - 20% - 30% off if you use a Kohl’s charge card. You also have to have the mailer with the coupon for the discount.  
 
When I called the Kohl's store in Piscataway to check on the discount the manager told me that you do not find out the amount of the discount until you get to the register, then the system randomly decides your percentage off.  
 
Bed Bath and Beyond and Linen-N-Things will always take the 20% off of the price even if the item was excluded on the coupon.
 
Let’s remember that anyone can sell anything for any price they like – “MAP” only stands for Minimum Advertised Price… It only means they should not put a print add or internet add showing a lesser amount.  
 
A while back Tom Gasko told the forum that if a dealer or store choose to advertise the Dyson for less then MSRP then they simply paid a slightly higher price for the Vacuums then the Store or Dealer that only advertised the MSRP price…
 
Thank you in advance for the Lowe’s Info…
 
Dan
 
 
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Carmine_Difazio
Ultimate Member
*****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 5559
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #41 - 05/18/07 at 3:07pm
 
Hello Dan:
 
Lowes has 20 percent off.  Not 30.  Good thru May 27.  JimB posted the link.  The Web prices reflect the 20 percent off already.  Interesting that Lowe's does and Kohl's don't.
 
Your exactly right on all the others save the part about paying more.  While that may apply to Indy's, it doesn't apply to the big box retailers: Dyson's bread and butter sellers.  Right now if dyson even suggested that it would monetarily penalize one of these retailers for violating its MAP (like Lowe's is doing RIGHT NOW ON ITS WEBSITE--caps added for emphasis) the retailer would drop the dyson line in aheart beat.  
 
Carmine D.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Carmine_Difazio
Ultimate Member
*****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 5559
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #42 - 05/18/07 at 3:29pm
 
Quote from RAT on 05/18/07 at 11:37am:


The problem with this discussion is that we are only considering one aspect of vacuum performance.  An upright with a good agitation can clean effectively over a wide range of suction values.  

Given Dyson's performance in standardized tests by a leading consumer magazine, I would assume that Dyson needs to continue working on agitation.  Will be interesting to see how the newer Dyson models perform in the next test results.  I'm also not particularly fond of emptying any bagless vacuum.  

 
Hello RAT:
 
The latest results for dyson "rug" performance will be interesting.  While dyson shows some promise on the new brush rolls (agitation vice the brushbar of the DC07 and 14), it also cut down air watts (suction).  AND RAISED the prices.  I'm hoping that all the dyson uprights will be rated and ranked.  Old and new models so consumers get a flavor for the dyson progress across the entire product line from inception 2002 to 2007.  (See if those 500 dyson engineers are worth the money).
 
If I had a choice of using a bagged/bagless vacuum on a dialy bases, I'd choose the bagged everytime.  I don't like to dump the bagless.
 
Carmine D.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
cprohman
Ultimate Member
*****


What is YaBB 1G -
SP1???

Posts: 1083
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #43 - 05/18/07 at 3:30pm
 
Quote from RAT on 05/18/07 at 11:37am:
Bagged vacuum manufacturers would have to state the type of test dirt in order to report on a drop in suction. A fine powdery test dirt will reduce suction much more quickly than larger particles. Some things like oily dog hair are likely to improve filtration, since dirt will stick to them.

The problem with this discussion is that we are only considering one aspect of vacuum performance. An upright with a good agitation can clean effectively over a wide range of suction values.

Given Dyson's performance in standardized tests by a leading consumer magazine, I would assume that Dyson needs to continue working on agitation. Will be interesting to see how the newer Dyson models perform in the next test results. I'm also not particularly fond of emptying any bagless vacuum.

RAT's statement is an example of a criticism that is fair, and I agree with what he says above. Bagged vacuums clearly have a drop in suction, but how much drop, and how quickly, is dependent on the dirt type. This is one reason I have speculated that Dysons will sell better in regions that have a lot of fine clay, and fare worse in areas with sandy soil. Sand and dog hair do not block bags, but fine clay can do so fairly quickly. One reason that I have been happy with the Dysons is that I have used them to pick up a lot of fine soil.
 
I also agree that agitation is important, and that the DC07 did not have the best agitation. That's one reason I don't use a DC07 at home where I have deep carpets. On the other hand, agitation isn't as big a factor on glued down commercial carpet, because agitation works by "bouncing" the sand up into the airflow, and glued down carpet doesn't "bounce". Thus airflow is more important than agitation on that type of carpet, and the DC07 has worked very well for me on that carpet type.
 
Regarding the statement that the DC07 won't lose suction "for a little while", I would disagree. Looking at the long term, my 4.5 year old DC07s still have the same suction as when new, so long as the premotor filters have been washed. As far as losing suction over the short term, keep in mind that a brand new Dyson actually starts with lower suction, and as it gets a coating of dirt on the inside, friction with the air decreases, and suction rises. Then, as the pre-motor filter starts plugging, the suction starts falling again, eventually reaching the level that it had when new. In real life, it is essentially constant, so long as you don't fail to clean the pre-motor filter. Thus I believe that the Dyson advertising claim is accurate.
 
On another topic, I found when I tried to buy a Dyson at the Loewes site that at first it listed the MSRP price, but when I entered the zipcode, the price suddenly changed to 20% off. Thus, it appears Carmine is corret on the issue of whether Loews is giving a 20% discount, but it seems that it is dependent on where you are located.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
JimB
Senior Member
****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 391
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #44 - 05/18/07 at 3:35pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 05/18/07 at 3:07pm:
Hello Dan:

Lowes has 20 percent off.  Not 30.  Good thru May 27.  JimB posted the link.  The Web prices reflect the 20 percent off already.  Interesting that Lowe's does and Kohl's don't.



Carmine D.

 
The Lowes link shows for example the DC07 all floors at $399 which is MSRP.  Any chance you can explain how that equals your original claim of 30% off or your new fallback position of 20% off?
Come on now, show us all those links of "dyson" sales, should be easy as you are claiming everyone is cutting "dyson" price.
 
Of course as Carl points out some regions of Lowes appear to have an "all floorcare" sale (which is common in the spring) going on but that seems a normal practice for a whole department to have a temporary sale and just is not honest to try to spin that as proof of an one of those brands having thier prices cut.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Carmine_Difazio
Ultimate Member
*****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 5559
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #45 - 05/18/07 at 3:40pm
 
Quote from JimB on 05/18/07 at 3:35pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 05/18/07 at 3:07pm:
Hello Dan:

Lowes has 20 percent off.  Not 30.  Good thru May 27.  JimB posted the link.  The Web prices reflect the 20 percent off already.  Interesting that Lowe's does and Kohl's don't.



Carmine D.


The Lowes link shows for example the DC07 all floors at $399 which is MSRP.  Any chance you can explain how that equals your original claim of 30% off or your new fallback position of 20% off?
Come on now, show us all those links of "dyson" sales, should be easy as you are claiming everyone is cutting "dyson" price.

 
Hello JimB:
 
Here to serve: 20 percent off at Lowes just as Carl and I said.   Wink
 
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&Ne=5000&category=Floor+Care&N=0+1000041
 
Didn't you say previously that you agreed with the Lowe's discounts of 20 percent.
 
Quote from JimB on 05/18/07 at 2:34pm:


Lowes look right
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&N=0&Ntk=i_products&Ntt=dyson



 
$319 on your link and $319 on my link is 20 percent off at Lowes.  We agree.  I know.  You're trying to "punk" me.   Wink
 
Carmine D.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
JimB
Senior Member
****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 391
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #46 - 05/18/07 at 3:50pm
 
So your claim goes from multiple retailers cutting "dyson" prices.
Changes to Lowes offering 30% off on dyson
changes to Lowes offering 20%off on dyson
changes to some regions in lowes offering to 20% off on dyson
which turns out to be some regions of lowes offering a 20% off on all floor care sale  
 
I will wait with baited breath for your multi paragraph ranting criticism on each of those other brands that are included in any of those "all floor care" sales.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
old-timer
Ultimate Member
*****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 1223
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #47 - 05/18/07 at 3:50pm
 
How about the 9 pages of new and reconed dyson's on ebay,are these people going to be shut off, or are they going to get more?
 
How's those prices working for you?
 
can you match there prices ,it looks to me like the box stores are really getting hamered by dyson,and ebay.
Want to bet that that cant be stopped????????
good luck boy's your going to need it...................
O.T.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
JimB
Senior Member
****


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 391
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #48 - 05/18/07 at 3:56pm
 
Quote from old-timer on 05/18/07 at 3:50pm:
How about the 9 pages of new and reconed dyson's on ebay,are these people going to be shut off, or are they going to get more?

How's those prices working for you?

can you match there prices ,it looks to me like the box stores are really getting hamered by dyson,and ebay.
Want to bet that that cant be stopped????????
good luck boy's your going to need it...................
O.T.

 
O.T.
  You cant seriously run your business by competing with ebay prices on each product can you?  If you can't offer something to the consumer that ebay doesn't there is a huge issue.
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
D.E.P.
Junior Member
**


I love YaBB 1G -
SP1!

Posts: 28
Re: Dyson v. Black and Decker Pivot Handhelds
Reply #49 - 05/18/07 at 4:00pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 05/18/07 at 3:40pm:
Quote from JimB on 05/18/07 at 3:35pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 05/18/07 at 3:07pm:
Hello Dan:

Lowes has 20 percent off.  Not 30.  Good thru May 27.  JimB posted the link.  The Web prices reflect the 20 percent off already.  Interesting that Lowe's does and Kohl's don't.



Carmine D.


The Lowes link shows for example the DC07 all floors at $399 which is MSRP.  Any chance you can explain how that equals your original claim of 30% off or your new fallback position of 20% off?
Come on now, show us all those links of "dyson" sales, should be easy as you are claiming everyone is cutting "dyson" price.


Hello JimB:

Here to serve: 20 percent off at Lowes just as Carl and I said.   ;)

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&Ne=5000&category=Floor+Care&N=0+1000041

Didn't you say previously that you agreed with the Lowe's discounts of 20 percent.

Quote from JimB on 05/18/07 at 2:34pm:


Lowes look right
http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&N=0&Ntk=i_products&Ntt=dyson




$319 on your link and $319 on my link is 20 percent off at Lowes.  We agree.  I know.  You're trying to "punk" me.   ;)

Carmine D.

 
 
Hi Carmine, Carl, and Jim -  
 
Yes - you are all correct - After I put in my zipcode, all the vacuums came up at 20% off the price - They all had a green star next to them and at the page bottom it stated "reflects lower local price".
 
Thank you for the info...
 
Dan
Back to top
 
 
  IP Logged
Pages: 1 ... 3 4 5 6 
Send Topic Print
Home - Buying Guide - Forum - Reviews - About Us
Copyright 1998-2007, Whats The Best, Inc. All rights reserved.