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Dyson Videos/Articles - for Dyson HATERS only (Read 4646 times)
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Reply #100 -
04/18/07 at 8:41pm
Wondering how the resident dyson critic was going to "spin"
this now, as you have had this version of the cyclone worse then better and now back to worse. Actually in order to clog, that fine dust would have not to have to only fight up against gravity dropping it down but also about 150,000 G at the tightest and fastest portion of the cyclone pushing it down as that airflow leaves the side of the cyclone to pass back up the center of the cyclone. Thus why to this point there have been no reports of these clogging here.
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04/18/07 at 9:10pm
No spin JimB.
I know how the cyclones face and the direction of dirt and air flow. My memory is not that bad even for an old man. And if it were, I have the same dyson product literature as you. Maybe even more.
It doesn't take an engineer to understand the shortcomings of putting a wider opening on top and a smaller hole on the bottom. Then force dirt down and air up. The dirt will clog the small hole and prevent air from going up. Dyson had it right in the DC07 and changed it.
As the popular TV show goes: 'You got punked!' And April fooled in the same month!
By the same person. Me!
Carmine D.
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04/18/07 at 10:31pm
Quote from old-timer
on 04/18/07 at 1:51pm:
The cyclone configuration on the DC07 is flawed because the dirt falls to the bottom (smaller openings) and clogs. Bad design by the dyson engineers. Newton's law of gravity. Dah dyson! And the reason that the subsequent cyclones (DC14 and after) inverted the cyclones with the smaller openings on top and wider at the bottom. And the reason I prefer the DC14 to the DC07 (among other reasons) despite the lower air-watts .
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Hi Carmine,this machine has the inverted cyclone set up ,real thin at the top and larger at the bottom.It must be a late model dc-07. I really cant see what difference it would make as to where the cyclones are located, inside out ,upside down, they still block over a short period of time. I quess the best way out would be to have more of them.?
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Carmine,
Oddly it was Old Timer you "punked" this time with your false information. I and another only joined the conversation afterward to point out he was correct. Brilliant how you ridiculed me while insisting you were still correct all to continue your "hilarious" "punking" of Old Timer.
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04/18/07 at 11:04pm
Quote from old-timer
on 04/18/07 at 1:51pm:
Hi Carmine,this machine has the inverted cyclone set up ,real thin at the top and larger at the bottom.It must be a late model dc-07. I really cant see what difference it would make as to where the cyclones are located, inside out ,upside down, they still block over a short period of time. I quess the best way out would be to have more of them.?
O.T.
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on 04/18/07 at 5:32pm:
Odd that someone who spends so much time talking about dyson would be so confused, but all DC07's final cyclones (after the bin cyclone) have cyclones with the narrow end on top that get wider as you move down. They have been inverted in later models. Perhaps all this time you have been confused and criticizing it for a good reason. On one end you will see a opening with a brush roll just inside it. That end is the one you want on the ground when vacuuming.
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on 04/18/07 at 10:31pm:
Carmine,
Oddly it was Old Timer you "punked" this time with your false information. I and another only joined the conversation afterward to point out he was correct. Brilliant how you ridiculed me while insisting you were still correct all to continue your "hilarious" "punking" of Old Timer.
Hello JimB:
Think so? Read again. Seems you were rattled and riled not OT!
Probably from being so dizzy trying to catch up. You have difficulty keeping up. That's the reason you got punked! And April fooled!
OT is confident and secure in his vacuum knowledge and experience. No problems keeping up with the "pros." It shows in his Forum posts.
How about you?
Carmine D.
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04/19/07 at 12:25am
Carmine,
Are you seriously saying you are purposely posting false info denigrating dyson and then vigorously defending it to somehow "punk" people reading the board and accuse those who point out your are ridicule those of not "getting" your lie was just a joke? I am sure there are many that read the board that did not know your statements were not true to make them and then to say you were purposely misleading "as a joke" just doesn't seem as funny as you seem to think it is. Perhaps someone else who gets the "joke" can correct me here. I think you are better off sticking to your previous reaction stating you made a mistake. To err is human. To purposely mislead speaks to character and credibility. It is a shame your anti-dyson zeal so paints what could be an amazing contribution to this board with your vast experience and passion for the industry. I spar back and forth with you here and catch inconsistencies when you take the attacks to far but if you were ever take the blinders off and stop trying to spin every bit of industry news as the sky falling in on dyson I would love reading your observations.
So have you heard the rumor that Oreck is looking to bring a certain canister back?
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04/19/07 at 7:36am
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So have you heard the rumor that Oreck is looking to bring a certain canister back?
Wrong thread JimB. The humor on this thread is about dyson.
Although I suspect it is not funny for the people who buy dysons for $500 plus and have problems under warranty. Whether user related and/or not, based on misinformation and false claims from dyson and/or its retialers, and can't get the dysons fixed very easily without paying to ship them back to Illinois (and being without a household vacuum for 2 weeks or more). The dyson HELPLINE as pointed out in the case discussed on this thread (and I experienced personally myself with DC07 pink) is not very helpful. It's very sad and costly for the dyson customers.
Hopefully Forums like this and threads about dyson experiences will educate consumers about dyson and its products. (As well as all other vacuum purchases).
Consumers should do their homework and not rely solely on the claims and information by any company and its representatives. Especially for big box vacuums priced at $500 plus and sold by inexperienced retail staff. Wouldn't you agree?
Carmine D.
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04/19/07 at 7:58am
The most amusing thing that I read here is how the pros grasp to find fault with Dyson. We have just read about one incident and that was most likely from user abuse. How many pros make a living repairing Dysons? I have asked this before and not one pro has admitted to Dyson repairs supporting their livlihood. Come on pros and tell us what brands earn you the most money. I do not believe that a repar every now and then is profitable. Perhaps that is why you hate Dyson.
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04/19/07 at 8:14am
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The most amusing thing that I read here is how the pros grasp to find fault with Dyson. We have just read about one incident and that was most likely from user abuse. How many pros make a living repairing Dysons? I have asked this before and not one pro has admitted to Dyson repairs supporting their livlihood. Come on pros and tell us what brands earn you the most money. I do not believe that a repar every now and then is profitable. Perhaps that is why you hate Dyson.
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on 04/03/07 at 9:11pm:
Wow, always amazes me the anger at little old vacuum. The VDTA show I was at at Dyson as a very visible sponsor. A large attendance overflowing into several surrounding booths of a new product with the company president present. Employees that seemed to be constantly writing orders. It just is amazing how much commotion there is from competitors about a machine that "no one wants". As I have said before not every machine is for every person but I am very thankful to competition that has refused to share a piece of this pie. Keep talking about how it can't sell and I will keep paying down the mortgage just on those who are already decided. Parts distribution program? Never had a problem here in fact they are better than most to deal with.
Or perhaps the markup is the reason that some like to sell dyson products? The extraordinary pervasiveness of refurbished and repacked dysons on the net for sale at reduced prices are not the result of customers buying dysons from big box retailers (the dominant retail venue for new dysons) and happily keeping them beyond the warranty period. Quite the contrary. These are dyson customers' unhappy returns that are being recycled into the previously owned vacuum sales market. Often with substantially shortened warranty periods than new. Why? .................
When the new DC07 pink purchased from TARGET failed to perform as dyson claimed on the box on my wool Mohawk carpets, I made several calls to the dyson HELPLINE. All elicited the same response: Return it to the retailer and get your money back. It won't work on your carpets (contrary to the written claim made by dyson on the carton and in its product literature). I gifted it away and took the loss. In my case it was about $250 after discounts and giftcards are factored in. Most consumers I imagine follow the dyson HELPLINE advice and return them and get their money back. And these end up in the resale market as dyson repacks and refurbs.
BTW, do these unhappy dyson customer returns get factored into the Consumer Reports customer surveys for reliability? No probably not, they are no longer registered dyson owners (as me). Or are they?
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Reply #108 -
04/19/07 at 11:18am
Hi H.S. Do my stores make a living off dyson repairs,the answer is NO, and the reason being is that they are in most cases 99% of the time they are still covered under the factory warranty.
The only time we make money on dyson vacuums,is due to selling replacement filters,attachments,
The biggest money to be made is when the customer is just tired of dealing with the repair hassles,and helpline.
They take a visicous beating on their INVESTMENT,and trade it in.We turn around fix er up and sell it on E-BAY.
O.T.
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Reply #109 -
04/19/07 at 11:47am
First of all, let me thank Jim, who obviously understands the way the cyclones work on the Dysons, and isn't confused by incorrect information. His posts helped me to understand why the inverted design was adopted on latter models.
Second let me say that I continue to scratch my head over this whole line of posts. While it would be it strange for someone to be reluctant to admit when he is wong, it would be stranger still that someone for his own amusement would deliberately posts false infomation and mislead people like OT, who simply accepted at face value such incorrect information as the "fact" that there were different versions of DC07 with different cyclone configurations.
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