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Reply #80 - 04/18/07 at 2:46pm
 
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   Good analysis.  Interesting that the machine obviously was suffering from lack of routine maintence.   Did they happen to mention who told them that they did not need to maintain the filter twice a year as dyson states or occasionally clean the brush bar as with any vacuum?  I am guessing some teenager working at a big box store?
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Reply #81 - 04/18/07 at 3:10pm
 
Hi JimB,to be very honest with you the purchase was made at a box store,so what else is new'',the customer bought on recomendation from a friend. Yes in the beginning everything was great as with most new vacuums.After 6 or 7 months the support from the tech line,was getting old the customer was sold the unit as maintainence free by the box sales rep. So in the customers mind she was misled,if she was told up front about maintaince this more than likely would have never been an issue.After all this is not a 59.95 purchase.
 
It would be a big plus if they trained their help better at the box stores.
 
Is this not where the area reps come in?
 
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Reply #82 - 04/18/07 at 4:12pm
 
Quote from JimB on 04/18/07 at 2:41pm:
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/18/07 at 12:02pm:

The cyclone configuration on the DC07 is flawed because the dirt falls to the bottom (smaller openings) and clogs.  Bad design by the dyson engineers.  Newton's law of gravity.  Dah dyson!  And the reason that the subsequent cyclones (DC14 and after) inverted the cyclones with the smaller openings on top and wider at the bottom.  And the reason I prefer the DC14 to the DC07 (among other reasons) despite the lower air-watts rating.

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Oops, Interesting detailed analysis.  Unfortunately once again in your zeal to condem the machine with 35% $ marketshare that you have inverted the Cyclones in your mind as opposed to the direction they are in reality.  In the real world the DC07 has cyclones that taper off at the top.  As you must know DC14 and others since have cyclones that taper off at the bottom but as you also must know the air both enters and exits on the wide end of the cyclone.   DOH...

 
 
Sorry JimB:
 
I have to disagree with you on the cyclone configuration, although OT called it right on some of the latter model DC07's having the improved cyclone design of the DC14, 15 and 17.  BTW, this is an old topic on the Forum and discussed in great length before.  You're coming in new to it and may want to get up to speed on the facts.
 
Maybe I should have qualified my analysis to clarify the confusion: Looking at the dyson with both feet on the ground and not upside down.   Wink
 
BTW, other than saying it's so, do you have some proof on the dyson percentage numbers?  Please share.  
 
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Reply #83 - 04/18/07 at 4:56pm
 
I'm scratching my head here, now, trying to understand this discussion. My DC07's, which were early models, along with every other DC07 I've ever seen, including the ones being currently sold, have the second stage cyclones designed wth the narrow end of the cyclones at the top, and the larger end on the bottom. This is as described by Jim and OT.
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Reply #84 - 04/18/07 at 5:14pm
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/18/07 at 1:51pm:
...I really cant see what difference it would make as to where the cyclones are located, inside out ,upside down, they still block over a short period of time. I quess the best way out would be to have more of them.?

 
As I understand the engineering principle, the cyclone works because, by making the air spin, you create centrifugal force on the dirt particles, which causes them to spin to the outside of the cylinder, where they contact the wall, slowing them down, and causing them to drop out of the airstream. A problem comes if the airspeed drops below the designed airspeed. When the speed is reduced, the centrigugal force isn't as high as was intended, which means dirt doesn't spin out like it should. When this happens, larger dirt or lint, that should remain in the primary cyclone, ends up getting first onto the shroud, and then into the smaller cyclones. It is when this dirt that is larger that intended gets into the secondary cylinders that you have a problem.
 
Failure to clean the secondary filter would reduce the airspeed, which in turn should lead to lint accumulation on the shroud, and could also lead to plugging of the secondary cyclones. My guess is that the clogging was a direct result of the partially obstructed secondary filter.  
 
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Reply #85 - 04/18/07 at 5:32pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/18/07 at 12:02pm:



Sorry JimB:

I have to disagree with you on the cyclone configuration, although OT called it right on some of the latter model DC07's having the improved cyclone design of the DC14, 15 and 17.  BTW, this is an old topic on the Forum and discussed in great length before.  You're coming in new to it and may want to get up to speed on the facts.

Maybe I should have qualified my analysis to clarify the confusion: Looking at the dyson with both feet on the ground and not upside down.   Wink

BTW, other than saying it's so, do you have some proof on the dyson percentage numbers?  Please share.  

Carmine D.

 
Odd that someone who spends so much time talking about dyson would be so confused, but all DC07's final cyclones (after the bin cyclone) have cyclones with the narrow end on top that get wider as you move down.  They have been inverted in later models.  Perhaps all this time you have been confused and criticizing it for a good reason.   On one end you will see a opening with a brush roll just inside it.  That end is the one you want on the ground when vacuuming.
 
As for the Marketshare the most recent 3rd party numbers were in Homeworld magazine who publish many such numbers for appliances.  Before you ask for a link, may I recomend As a consultant in the industry you really should subscribe.  However when reading remember if the letters are upside down try flipping the magazine over.
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Reply #86 - 04/18/07 at 6:28pm
 
Quote from JimB on 04/18/07 at 5:32pm:


Odd that someone who spends so much time talking about dyson would be so confused, but all DC07's final cyclones (after the bin cyclone) have cyclones with the narrow end on top that get wider as you move down.  They have been inverted in later models.  Perhaps all this time you have been confused and criticizing it for a good reason.   On one end you will see a opening with a brush roll just inside it.  That end is the one you want on the ground when vacuuming.


 
 
Hello JimB:
 
So what you are saying to me on the Forum is that I am wrong.  I don't know what I'm talking about.  That in fact dyson had the correct cyclone design ALL THE WHILE on the DC07: Narrow part on the cone on top and the wide part on the bottom.  Thus, when the vacuum was turned off, any dust and dirt still in the cyclones easily fell from the narrow end of the cyclone cones (on top) to the wider openings on the bottom, and into the dirt bin. Due to the law of gravity.  OK, I'm with you.  I thoroughly agree.
 
Here's the rub.  For some unknown reason, dyson and its 500 engineers, decided to change the configuration on the cyclones on the DC14, DC15, DC16, DC17, DC18 and DC21.  The cyclones now are wider on the top and narrower on the bottom.  So, when the vacuum is turned off, the dust and dirt stuck inside the cyclones falls from the wider area to the smaller area of the cones.  (Law of gravity).  And over time, because the user can't clean the cyclones of the dyson vacuums, they clog up with dirt and become ineffective (even if the premotor filter is cleaned and washed as recommended.)
 
Wow, don't I feel stupid!  All along I was giving dyson credit for correcting what I erroneously thought was a flaw in the DC07 cyclones.  And come to find out (thanks to you) just the opposite is true.  Dyson took a perfectly fine design and inverted it to make it functionally inferior.    
 
Based on the above, I agree with Carl.  The reason the cyclones clogged on the DC07 (which as OT explained have the scientifically correct configuration to avoid clogging due to gravity when the vacuum is shut off) is because the premotor filter got clogged due to lack of cleaning.  
 
Thanks for clarifying for me and the Forum.  No wonder this thread is for dyson-haters.  What company would take a perfectly good cyclonic design and functionally alter it to make it worse?  Yep, you got it: Dyson.
 
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As for the Marketshare the most recent 3rd party numbers were in Homeworld magazine who publish many such numbers for appliances.  Before you ask for a link, may I recomend As a consultant in the industry you really should subscribe.  However when reading remember if the letters are upside down try flipping the magazine over.

 
I retired August 4, 2006 (newsflash).  If you want to post the link for the dyson sales numbers, don't do it on my account.  Do it because you want to show your source and proof for the sales numbers that you and dyson banter about.  
 
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Reply #87 - 04/18/07 at 6:43pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/18/07 at 9:18am:
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/17/07 at 6:52pm:


Ford was the #1 selling car in the USA for years.   That must prove that it is superior to BMW, Lexus, Mercedes and all other automobiles.  

BTW, Hotels motels and airports always have dirty carpet.  


As do cars and homes.  Wink  Rugs can hold their weight in dirt and look clean.  Daily rug vacuuming and yearly rug cleaning are highly recommended by all industry sources.

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Ever try to follow all the maintenance recommendations offered by a manufacturer?  You could spend thousands of $ on just your automobile.   BTW,  how does your response relate to my post?  If you use a Hoover or Oreck the dirt will linger in the carpet no matter how often you vacuum.
 
I see you are still grasping for a life vest.  Your boat is sinking.
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Reply #88 - 04/18/07 at 6:48pm
 
Quote from HARDSELL on 04/18/07 at 6:43pm:


If you use a Hoover or Oreck the dirt will linger in the carpet no matter how often you vacuum.

I see you are still grasping for a life vest.  Your boat is sinking.

 
Hello HS:
 
Actually, it makes no difference what vacuum you use and how often, you can never get all the dirt out of a rug by vacuuming.   Wink  That's the reason for the daily vacuuming and yearly cleaning.  And the reason that industry experts recommend 7 rug passes for cleaning.  Most not all the dirt is likely to be removed.  
 
I don't own a boat, I live in the desert.   Wink  No need for a life vest.
 
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Reply #89 - 04/18/07 at 7:03pm
 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/18/07 at 6:28pm:
Quote from JimB on 04/18/07 at 5:32pm:


Odd that someone who spends so much time talking about dyson would be so confused, but all DC07's final cyclones (after the bin cyclone) have cyclones with the narrow end on top that get wider as you move down.  They have been inverted in later models.  Perhaps all this time you have been confused and criticizing it for a good reason.   On one end you will see a opening with a brush roll just inside it.  That end is the one you want on the ground when vacuuming.




Hello JimB:

So what you are saying to me on the Forum is that I am wrong.  I don't know what I'm talking about.

Carmine D.


 
Yes.
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