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Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Reply #30 - 01/31/07 at 4:06pm
 
Carmine,
   I do indeed remember the Preco Brush. It was an airdriven turbo tool. Very good unit until suction was lost on the vacuum. Just like the turbo tools of today. It was the the first as I recall. It came out about 1957. Electrolux came out with their electric motor unit to take away the loss of brushing action by loss of airflow. It has made improvements contantly to keep up with carpet industry changes and changes needed to compete. Still one of the better power heads.
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Reply #31 - 02/01/07 at 1:10pm
 

Quote from Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/29/07 at 6:11pm:
I'm surprised that none of the turbo or electric "mini-mate" has a beater bar or a spiral shaped brush roll compared to their full-sized nozzles & uprights.  The beater bar can enhance cleaning performance in tight places (car interior) & the spiral shaped roller having longer, stiffer bristles just like the Hoover WT upright & PN.  Why don't the mfr's put beater bar on the mini-mates (turbo & electric)  

 
A beater bar is not needed on a mini turbo/electric brush attachment, because of what is being cleaned. The area being cleaned is not thick like a house full of carpeting.  In most cases, the attachment is cleaning furniture.  This attachment does well w/o the beater bar feature.
 
The design of a mini brush attachment would have to be designed differently.  That is why I said I have a hard time believing the Tristar attachment has a beater bar.  The brushroll would have to be much larger in diameter than what is being used now.  That would take up more space, which means that the mini brush would need to be designed larger.  This would then accommodate a larger brushroll.  But it is not going to happen.
 
The mini brush attachments do fine for what they were intended for.  
 
The Rug Rat mini turbo brush actually vibrates the surface better than the HOOVER and many other mini brushes.  It uses a larger fan and larger brushroll.  The bristles are stiffer than others also.
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Reply #32 - 02/05/07 at 2:54pm
 
Quote from Mike_W. on 02/01/07 at 1:10pm:

Quote from Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/29/07 at 6:11pm:
I'm surprised that none of the turbo or electric "mini-mate" has a beater bar or a spiral shaped brush roll compared to their full-sized nozzles & uprights.  The beater bar can enhance cleaning performance in tight places (car interior) & the spiral shaped roller having longer, stiffer bristles just like the Hoover WT upright & PN.  Why don't the mfr's put beater bar on the mini-mates (turbo & electric)  


A beater bar is not needed on a mini turbo/electric brush attachment, because of what is being cleaned. The area being cleaned is not thick like a house full of carpeting.  In most cases, the attachment is cleaning furniture.  This attachment does well w/o the beater bar feature.

The design of a mini brush attachment would have to be designed differently.  That is why I said I have a hard time believing the Tristar attachment has a beater bar.  The brushroll would have to be much larger in diameter than what is being used now.  That would take up more space, which means that the mini brush would need to be designed larger.  This would then accommodate a larger brushroll.  But it is not going to happen.

The mini brush attachments do fine for what they were intended for.  

The Rug Rat mini turbo brush actually vibrates the surface better than the HOOVER and many other mini brushes.  It uses a larger fan and larger brushroll.  The bristles are stiffer than others also.

Does the Rug Rat TB have good suction on the brush area?  I've never used the RR TB before despite making a monthly trip to the vac shop to find a new TB but only found a Hoover TB & the sale price is $39.99 at that shop; however I've seen them cheaper on Ebay & other websites.
 
Another thing surprised me is that the new Kenmore Mini-mate has softer bristles than the one I have (mine has cogged belt) & they BARELY touch the carpet compared to the RainbowMate & the Hoover TB.  This is REALLY SICKENING that the TB (most brands incl. Dyson) also has softer bristles than the Hoover & the other vacs need to have GOOD QUALITY turbo or electric Mini-mates.
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Reply #33 - 02/07/07 at 5:24pm
 
Quote from Mike_W. on 01/21/07 at 2:29am:
Quote from Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/16/07 at 8:22pm:
i wonder how effective the Dyson turbo brush works because the Hoover TB cleans VERY good & has great brush tuft design but I hate that the turbine is in the dirt path because it cracked after picking lots of small stones from my car.  How much is the dyson TB & which of their 2 designs is better?


What you need to do is first pick up the small stones w/o the mini turbo brush.  It is easy to do and takes no time at all.  After you pick up most of them, put the turbo brush attachment on and vacuum thoroughly.

If you do not want to do that, then purchase the dyson mini turbo attachment.  The prices are going to be the same everywhere, but you can get discounts at some stores like BB&B.

 
Why do the mfr's put the turbine RIGHT IN THE DIRT PATH?  Someone should redesign these TB's b/c they'll soon be filling the landfills & junk yards if the vac mfrs continue to make these nozzles with the turbine in the dirt path.  How effective would a TB be if the turbine was to the side where the dirt can't touch the fan?  I think it'd be a BETTER design b/c there'd be MORE suction on the brush area, & the brush can spin faster than if the turbine is in the dirt path b/c the dirt won't lodge into the fan, reducing efficiency; + the TB would LAST LONGER = less problem cleaning out the tool (but still have 2 clean out the brush bearings)
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Reply #34 - 02/07/07 at 6:17pm
 
The problem of a turbo tool is as you described TS Man. It has been that way since the beginning. Ther is no effective way of getting air thru the turbine without being in the dirt path. That is why the electric powered tools are made.  
  You also have to remember as the cleaner loses suction, the turbine will slow down.  The thicker the carpet the slower the turbine powered nozzles will go.
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Reply #35 - 02/11/07 at 1:34am
 
So, then, I gather that the so-called turbo brush attachments are not so effective unless they are electrically powered.
 
Automobile carpeting is quite rugged, I have used a steel brush effectively in conjunction with the powerful shop vacuum.
On the carpeted steps, as the steps are economy sized(for poor people), vaccuming is not easy.
And the middle weight Optima 430 struggles with this task.
Their accessory "turbo brush"($22 or so) may help on the small steps, but, from what I read, I think not......
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Reply #36 - 02/11/07 at 11:00am
 
FYI, both electric and airdriven mini hand held brushes stall,it's due to either too much suction or not enough,take a look at the base plates the answer lies in here Wink.And dont forget about the suction control valve.Hand held mini's are only good for particular applications. Which ones you ask?. This my friend only comes from EXPERIENCE..................
 
 
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Reply #37 - 02/20/07 at 7:37pm
 
Is the Shop Vac TB made by HP Vacuflo b/c the Rug Rat & Shop Vac TB's look similar in design.  I'm going 2 make a custom brush roll for my Hoover brush (spiral shape) so it can produce a "beats-as-it-sweeps" cleaning action for the car, & I'd get it done faster instead of having to put pressure down on the nozzle on carpeted surfaces in the car.  Where can I get the stuff used to make the bristles to put on the "custom" roller or should I get brush strips?  Does anyone recommend this idea to soup up the "mini-mate"?
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Reply #38 - 03/01/07 at 6:07pm
 
Quote from tiger21 on 01/31/07 at 12:06am:
Carmine,
   As far as beater bars , the manufactures have found them damaging today's carpets. Most of the new beater bar brushes had plastic inserts and as the bars got nicked carpets started being damaged.
For a short period Electrolux (now Areus) had beater bars on their commercial power nozzles. When reports came in about damage complaints on carpets, they were removed and stopped being used. Since the introduction of the first power nozzle by Electrolux in 1959 there have been numerous improvements and changes due to the changing carpets.

That really isn't true esp. with the Eureka Vibra Groomer 2 brush rolls since they're METAL beater bars instead of plastic like the ones used now by other vacs.
Too bad the Rainbow Mate's brush roll bearings don't come off to clean them out, that's why they melt easily once long hair strands work their way into the bearings.
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Reply #39 - 03/09/07 at 4:54pm
 
Quote from Tri-Star_Vacman on 03/01/07 at 6:07pm:
Quote from tiger21 on 01/31/07 at 12:06am:
Carmine,
   As far as beater bars , the manufactures have found them damaging today's carpets. Most of the new beater bar brushes had plastic inserts and as the bars got nicked carpets started being damaged.
For a short period Electrolux (now Areus) had beater bars on their commercial power nozzles. When reports came in about damage complaints on carpets, they were removed and stopped being used. Since the introduction of the first power nozzle by Electrolux in 1959 there have been numerous improvements and changes due to the changing carpets.

That really isn't true esp. with the Eureka Vibra Groomer 2 brush rolls since they're METAL beater bars instead of plastic like the ones used now by other vacs.
Too bad the Rainbow Mate's brush roll bearings don't come off to clean them out, that's why they melt easily once long hair strands work their way into the bearings.

 
That's the #1 reason I have trouble with the ELECTRIC mini-mate b/c their brush bearings don't come apart to remove hair from the brush ends. Angry  Most turbo nozzles have REMOVABLE bearings & NOT non-removable like their electric counterparts.  So I am now starting to collect Hoover turbo brushes b/c they have excellent rollers & easy to clean out; they can even beat electric ones (when used with powerful vacs like Tri-Star & shop vacs) Smiley
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