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Message started by Tri-Star_Vacman on 08/16/06 at 7:56pm

Title: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 08/16/06 at 7:56pm

I can't believe in a 6 yr period I've gone thru 4 "Mini-Mate"s b/c they keep breaking down.  I've got electric & turbo brushes to clean the cars & upholstery & they dont work so well after many uses (lasts to a yr).  Are they REALLY worth buying cuz I know they clean uphostery & vehicle int. very well but last for short time.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by dualcyclone on 08/17/06 at 10:53am

Mr. Dyson had the same problems with the turbo brushes available, so he invented his own.  The Dyson-built Mini Turbine Head works flawlessly, year after year.  Mostly because the dirt does NOT pass through the turbine blades (unlike any other turbo head).  I have an adapter to use the Dyson head with other 1 1/4 inch wand cleaners, and have used it with great success on most of my cleaners in the collection.  The Dyson-built turbine head for the car (included in the car cleaning kit from Dyson) actually spins the brushes FASTER, the harder you press down.  Again, the dirty air is NOT drawn through the turbine, so picking up rocks and coins does not bother the Dyson Mini Turbine Head(s).

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 08/17/06 at 1:12pm

I would have to wonder what you are cleaning up and what brand(s) of mini turbo/electric nozzles you are purchasing.  Lasting only a year is not good.

I really do not care for the cheaper mini turbo attachments under such names as Eureka, DD, HOOVER, because there is not much to them.  I have used and continue to use the Rug Rat mini turbo attachment.  I purchased this in the late 80's and this thing is still going strong, even after cleaning out vehicles and the weekly furniture vacuuming.  I was first introduced to this attachment when Kirby used it under their name and colors of the Kirby Heritage.

The Rug Rat does a great job.  It has better bristles compared to many of the cheap mini turbo nozzles out there.  You would have found the RR under other names such as Simplicity, Riccar, Beam, etc.  This nozzle will cost alot more than the $20 Eureka nozzle, but it is worth it.

Everyone who has one, should make sure that they take care to maintain their mini nozzle.  Check the turbine of the turbo nozzle.  Also check the brushroll and the ends.  Remove any hair that might lodge itself.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 08/21/06 at 12:59pm

turbo "mini-mate" that I have are Hoover & SMART (the kind that comes with most central vac systems NOT Rugrat)
Electric is RainbowMate & Sears (but the logo came off due to heavy use for car cleaning)

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by johncainltd on 08/21/06 at 8:16pm

I've actually had good luck with the Lux Sidekick units. I also modified one of them to fit on my Bosch Premium. The only down side is the noise from the squeaking belt.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by vacuuman on 08/21/06 at 8:35pm

I don't generally care for mini turbonozzles, the electric ones seem to be better built and I know they clean better.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 08/22/06 at 5:57am


vacuuman wrote:
I don't generally care for mini turbonozzles, the electric ones seem to be better built and I know they clean better.


This all depends upon the mini nozzle.  The Rug Rat is built just as well as mini power nozzles.  I will say it again, I have had my RR since the late 80's.  Not every brand has a mini power nozzle.  Hook up a good quality mini turbo attachment to a strong vacuum and watch the nozzle go to town.  You could not tell that it was turbo and not electric.  

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by johncainltd on 08/22/06 at 8:59am

Vacuuman, I agree with you on turbo nozzles. Besides, their effectiveness is in direct proportion to the power of the machine or the fullness of the bag. Oh sure, the Rug Rat works really well. Some people even say they've "owned one since the 80's" , but the thing is about as loud as a leaf blower. It's louder than my Lux Sidekick with a noisy belt! It even looks like it came from the 80's.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 08/22/06 at 12:54pm


johncainltd wrote:
Vacuuman, I agree with you on turbo nozzles. Besides, their effectiveness is in direct proportion to the power of the machine or the fullness of the bag. Oh sure, the Rug Rat works really well. Some people even say they've "owned one since the 80's" , but the thing is about as loud as a leaf blower. It's louder than my Lux Sidekick with a noisy belt! It even looks like it came from the 80's.


I do believe that I have addressed the points mentioned by original poster.  

I do not believe that we should toss something, because it "looks" like it came from a different era. BTW, the RR design is actually older than the late 80's.  If it works, keep it.  Look at different products on the market today.  Eureka's Sanitaire uprights "fan-first" design has been around for years.  It is a great design, that does a great job of cleaning carpeting.  There is no reason to get rid of it.  There are still people who will buy it.  Eureka has even been using it under their own nameplate.  Do not chuck it, or put it down, because it is an older design.

Not all vacuum cleaners have a mini power nozzle.  There is no reason to stay away from the purchase of a vacuum cleaner, because it does not have a mini power nozzle.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by old-timer on 08/22/06 at 7:58pm

Wasn't the rug rat introduced by h.p. vacuflo, then kirby had h.p. make a version that was put on the heritage series vacuums in a different color combo, these work very well on high cfm portables and central vacuum systems,

as far as the electric mini nozzles go it's very hard to beat aerus/electrolux sidekick and sidekick 2, just because of the geared tooth belt, all the rest of the electric mini nozzles had flat  belts, the rainbow version did not work as good as the lux piece because of the flat belt.
ditto for the kenmore electric minihead.........

 O.T.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by johncainltd on 08/22/06 at 11:09pm


Mike_W. wrote:
[quote author=johncainltd link=1155772614/0#7 date=1156251583]Vacuuman, I agree with you on turbo nozzles. Besides, their effectiveness is in direct proportion to the power of the machine or the fullness of the bag. Oh sure, the Rug Rat works really well. Some people even say they've "owned one since the 80's" , but the thing is about as loud as a leaf blower. It's louder than my Lux Sidekick with a noisy belt! It even looks like it came from the 80's.


I do believe that I have addressed the points mentioned by original poster.  

I do not believe that we should toss something, because it "looks" like it came from a different era. BTW, the RR design is actually older than the late 80's.  If it works, keep it.  Look at different products on the market today.  Eureka's Sanitaire uprights "fan-first" design has been around for years.  It is a great design, that does a great job of cleaning carpeting.  There is no reason to get rid of it.  There are still people who will buy it.  Eureka has even been using it under their own nameplate.  Do not chuck it, or put it down, because it is an older design.

Not all vacuum cleaners have a mini power nozzle.  There is no reason to stay away from the purchase of a vacuum cleaner, because it does not have a mini power nozzle.[/quote]

Don't get me wrong. I never said that the Rug Rat didn't perform well. I just have a problem with the 120 + decibels sound it makes. It requires ear plugs. Other than that, it performs well.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by johncainltd on 08/22/06 at 11:13pm


old-timer wrote:
Wasn't the rug rat introduced by h.p. vacuflo, then kirby had h.p. make a version that was put on the heritage series vacuums in a different color combo, these work very well on high cfm portables and central vacuum systems,

as far as the electric mini nozzles go it's very hard to beat aerus/electrolux sidekick and sidekick 2, just because of the geared tooth belt, all the rest of the electric mini nozzles had flat  belts, the rainbow version did not work as good as the lux piece because of the flat belt.
ditto for the kenmore electric minihead.........

 O.T.


Another nice thing about the SideKick 1 & 2 is their ability to be easily modified to fit other brands. Just wire in a pig tail power cord and they're practically universal. The SideKick 2 will fit a Bosch or a Miele straight into the hose.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by VacOMatic on 08/23/06 at 2:06am

the __only__ air turbo brush I found useable  (i.e., no shriek as it cleans) is the Miele and (older) Dyson hand turbo tool.  They run quietly, but tend to stall pretty easilly.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 08/23/06 at 4:54am


old-timer wrote:
Wasn't the rug rat introduced by h.p. vacuflo, then kirby had h.p. make a version that was put on the heritage series vacuums in a different color combo, these work very well on high cfm portables and central vacuum systems,

as far as the electric mini nozzles go it's very hard to beat aerus/electrolux sidekick and sidekick 2, just because of the geared tooth belt, all the rest of the electric mini nozzles had flat  belts, the rainbow version did not work as good as the lux piece because of the flat belt.
ditto for the kenmore electric minihead.........

 O.T.


Yes, the RR was/is an H-P product.  Like I mentioned above, Kirby used this under their nameplate for their Heritage.  The "Turbo Brush" also had the Heritage colors.  As most know, Kirby would later go w/ the Zip Brush.
It is true that the Kenmore mini power nozzle used a flat belt(rubber band), but the RainbowMate uses a cogged belt.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/16/07 at 8:22pm

i wonder how effective the Dyson turbo brush works because the Hoover TB cleans VERY good & has great brush tuft design but I hate that the turbine is in the dirt path because it cracked after picking lots of small stones from my car.  How much is the dyson TB & which of their 2 designs is better?

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by vacuuman on 01/18/07 at 8:40pm

I haven't found any turbonozzle that clean as well as the small electric ones.  I have been using my Rainbow E Series with the Rainbowmate recently and it has done well.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 01/21/07 at 2:29am


Tri-Star_Vacman wrote:
i wonder how effective the Dyson turbo brush works because the Hoover TB cleans VERY good & has great brush tuft design but I hate that the turbine is in the dirt path because it cracked after picking lots of small stones from my car.  How much is the dyson TB & which of their 2 designs is better?


What you need to do is first pick up the small stones w/o the mini turbo brush.  It is easy to do and takes no time at all.  After you pick up most of them, put the turbo brush attachment on and vacuum thoroughly.

If you do not want to do that, then purchase the dyson mini turbo attachment.  The prices are going to be the same everywhere, but you can get discounts at some stores like BB&B.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/21/07 at 7:26am


Mike_W. wrote:
What you need to do is first pick up the small stones w/o the mini turbo brush.  It is easy to do and takes no time at all.  After you pick up most of them, put the turbo brush attachment on and vacuum thoroughly.

If you do not want to do that, then purchase the dyson mini turbo attachment.  The prices are going to be the same everywhere, but you can get discounts at some stores like BB&B.


Hello Mike W:

If I'm not mistaken, the dyson mini turbine head (tool MSRP $69) allows the user to turn the brush off and on during use.

Carmine D.



Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/22/07 at 6:18pm

One thing I'd like 2 c is that the turbine is to the side instead of being in the dirt path & that the brush roll is designed like a Hoover Quadraflex roller b/c the current design brush rolls on most other turbo brushes aren't that effective like the Hoover turbo brush (best turbo brush I've used).  which dyson turbo brush r u refering to because I prefer one design (inc. w/car cleaning kit) better than the other one (TOO BIG TO CLEAN MY CAR) & I don't think I can get that one separetly b/c it looks like Lux Sidekick 2 & can get into tight spaces better than the one sold by itself.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/22/07 at 7:04pm


Tri-Star_Vacman wrote:
used).  which dyson turbo brush r u refering to because I prefer one design (inc. w/car cleaning kit) better than the other one (TOO BIG TO CLEAN MY CAR) & I don't think I can get that one separetly b/c it looks like Lux Sidekick 2 & can get into tight spaces better than the one sold by itself.


I was referring to the dyson mini turbine head tool in my post to Mike W.  This is not the same tool as the one in the Car Cleaning Kit called the car turbine tool.  You are correct.  The car turbine tool is not sold separately.  It comes in the the kit with an MSRP for $84 along with 2 other tools: the stiff bristle brush and flexi crevice tool.  Vice the mini turbine head tool which sells alone separately for an MSRP of $69.  The car turbine tool, if I'm not mistaken, does not have the brush turn off and on.  And one reason, in part, that it is smaller.  

Also, the DC14 Drive exclusively made to be used for automobiles comes with the Car Cleaning Kit tools, not the mini turbine head tool.

http://www.dyson.com/range/access_frame.asp?model=DC07-SY-HEPA

I like the HOOVER turbo tool because it has an excellent brush roll and easily comes apart for cleaning.  But, I like the Eureka power paw tool because it has more clearance room around the brush roll and brush head for large debris.  It comes apart but you need a screwdriver.  My ideal would be the HOOVER and Eureka marriage.  HOOVER brush roll that comes apart with the Eureka brush head clearance.

Carmine D.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/23/07 at 7:24pm

FYI:  These reviews of the dyson mini turbine tool are on the amazon web site.  One dyson user mentions the "old" original dyson mini turbine tool (gray) and rates it better than the new current mini turbine tool.  But the old was discontinued and no longer available for sale.


http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B00062MT7E/ref=cm_cr_dp_pt/104-5378968-0473511?ie=UTF8&n=284507&s=kitchen

Carmine D.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/24/07 at 5:50pm


Mike_W. wrote:
Not all vacuum cleaners have a mini power nozzle.  There is no reason to stay away from the purchase of a vacuum cleaner, because it does not have a mini power nozzle.

I agree about that Mike W said here b/c all U have 2 do is buy a turbo brush (preferably Hoover) & it WILL work on many vacs w/ 1 1/4" diameter or U can get an adaptor to use w/other vacs that have diffrent diameter.  BTW the Hoover turbo brush OUTCLEANS most other turbo brushes; & maybe even some electric ones b/c the brush design on my Rainbowmate are "spaced out" which is ineffecient for deep cleaning.  I frequently use the Hoover turbo brush with my Shop-Vac & the Tristar almost every time I vacuum the car or house b/c its a bit quieter than the SMART turbo brush (paid $35 & not as good as the Hoover [paid $15]) & the Hoover brush has WindTunnel technology (can anyone tell me if thats true since it says WINDTUNNEL) but I think it might be another factor that it cleans better than my other turbo or electric mini powernozzles (Yes, I STILL own 4 as of now but haven't used them since I got the Hoover TB)  Should I get rid of the other turbo or electro brushes or should I keep them although the Hoover TB turbines cracked (but still works good) cuz I'm thinking about getting another Hoover TB so I can keep one in the house & the other (with cracked turbine) for car cleaning only & that's what I do to avoid "cross-contamination" from vehicle dirt & house dirt; I use the SMART only for cleaning furniture & the Rainbowmate for car cleaning until it died (possibly its motor burned out?)  Again the Hoover TB is the BEST turbo powered brush ever made even though the turbine is in the dirt path but still good suction on the brush area compared to other TB's built by other manufacturers that they seem to lack suction power on the brush area & leave some dirt behind.  After each use I clean out the nozzles (electric & turbo) to maintain effeciency & extend its lifetime; but I should be more careful when I clean the car with a TB so I wouldn't have to face the same problem when I get another TB or electro-brush

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 01/29/07 at 6:11pm

I'm surprised that none of the turbo or electric "mini-mate" has a beater bar or a spiral shaped brush roll compared to their full-sized nozzles & uprights.  The beater bar can enhance cleaning performance in tight places (car interior) & the spiral shaped roller having longer, stiffer bristles just like the Hoover WT upright & PN.  Why don't the mfr's put beater bar on the mini-mates (turbo & electric)  But the brush tuft design (like Hoover WT TB) is the best, that REALLY helps get hard 2 reach areas clean but with a beater bar added, you'd get MORE dirt out of the surface being cleaned.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by guess_who on 01/29/07 at 6:54pm

Hi Tri-star,

Unfortunately, the risk of accident would be greatly increased if the brush rolls were beefed up.  There's enough worst-case safety scenarios regarding vacuums as is.  That applies not only for toddlers as one might expect but for your everyday adult klutz and everyone between.  Considering our "take 'em straight to court" mentality, I am surprised I have not heard more news of lawsuits.

As a kid, I once stuck the end of a plugged in Electrolux XXX cord in my mouth.  Miraculously, or at least miraculously to me, I didn't leave it in my mouth long enough to get a severe shock.  I have no idea how many similar incidents have occured but do note that Electrolux began to secure it's power cord to the machine with the making of the Model LX and its locked enclosure.  You had to push a button and lift a small cover to get at the cord connection.  Yeah, I tried that out at five or six too but didn't get the knack for getting the cord loose easily until I was forty.

As handy as they are in the proper hands,  hand-held electric mini-mates already have the potential to get caught on someone's clothing or in someone's hair or nip fingers.  More motor power or more ability to clean aggressively might sound more desirable for these small attachments but the harm factor would be raised leaps and bounds.  As much as I can't stand them, I would not be surprised if that isn't why more turbo nozzles exist.  They stall easily and do not maintain much force if interrupted while in operation.

I don't have kids but I'm sure any of you who do know what can happen if you turn your head for just a couple of seconds.

Venson

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/30/07 at 8:48am


Tri-Star_Vacman wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the turbo or electric "mini-mate" has a beater bar or a spiral shaped brush roll compared to their full-sized nozzles & uprights.  The beater bar can enhance cleaning performance in tight places (car interior) & the spiral shaped roller having longer, stiffer bristles just like the Hoover WT upright & PN.  Why don't the mfr's put beater bar on the mini-mates (turbo & electric)  But the brush tuft design (like Hoover WT TB) is the best, that REALLY helps get hard 2 reach areas clean but with a beater bar added, you'd get MORE dirt out of the surface being cleaned.



FYI:  MiniStar motorized tool for chairs, stairs, and interior automobile interiors.  Specs say "internal beater bar" with MSRP $162 for TriStar EXL electric hose.

http://www.tristarvacuumscanada.com/ministar.html

Carmine D.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 01/30/07 at 12:23pm

I have a hard time believing that this Tristar ministar has a beater bar, but I have not seen it.  It does not seen feasible w/ this design.  Sometimes companies will write that a nozzle has a beater bar, when they should say that it has "beater bar action".


Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/30/07 at 7:40pm


Mike_W. wrote:
I have a hard time believing that this Tristar ministar has a beater bar, but I have not seen it.  


Hello Mike W:

You're not alone.  I messaged TriStar and asked the question specifically about the beater bar in the MiniStar.  After I hear back, I'll update the Forum.

Carmine D.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/30/07 at 7:54pm


Carmine_Difazio wrote:
[quote author=Mike_W. link=1155772614/20#25 date=1170177818]I have a hard time believing that this Tristar ministar has a beater bar, but I have not seen it.  


Hello Mike W:

You're not alone.  I messaged TriStar and asked the question specifically about the beater bar in the MiniStar.  After I hear back, I'll update the Forum.

Carmine D.[/quote]

Unfortunately, this was the message I received back:

Recipient: <tristar@tristarvacuumscanada.com>
   Reason:    <tristar@tristarvacuumscanada.com>: Recipient address rejected: does not exist

Carmine D.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by tiger21 on 01/31/07 at 12:06am

Carmine,
 The ministar is similar to the Sidekick ll that is on the Aerus  machines. There is no beater bar on the unit. A revolving brush is what is used.
 As far as beater bars , the manufactures have found them damaging today's carpets. Most of the new beater bar brushes had plastic inserts and as the bars got nicked carpets started being damaged.
For a short period Electrolux (now Areus) had beater bars on their commercial power nozzles. When reports came in about damage complaints on carpets, they were removed and stopped being used. Since the introduction of the first power nozzle by Electrolux in 1959 there have been numerous improvements and changes due to the changing carpets.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Carmine_Difazio on 01/31/07 at 7:11am


Hello Tiger21:

Thanks for the info.  Some of the past and present carpet sweepers including the Electrolux Pronto stick vacuum use flexible rubber fins to similate beater bars and/or enhance air movement and carpet agitation.

Do you recall the Preco Power Brush of the 50's?  It had a cogged belt driven brush roll.  And fit all the luxes of the time.  Was this before the lux PN (1959)?  

Carmine D.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by tiger21 on 01/31/07 at 4:06pm

Carmine,
  I do indeed remember the Preco Brush. It was an airdriven turbo tool. Very good unit until suction was lost on the vacuum. Just like the turbo tools of today. It was the the first as I recall. It came out about 1957. Electrolux came out with their electric motor unit to take away the loss of brushing action by loss of airflow. It has made improvements contantly to keep up with carpet industry changes and changes needed to compete. Still one of the better power heads.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Mike_W. on 02/01/07 at 1:10pm



Tri-Star_Vacman wrote:
I'm surprised that none of the turbo or electric "mini-mate" has a beater bar or a spiral shaped brush roll compared to their full-sized nozzles & uprights.  The beater bar can enhance cleaning performance in tight places (car interior) & the spiral shaped roller having longer, stiffer bristles just like the Hoover WT upright & PN.  Why don't the mfr's put beater bar on the mini-mates (turbo & electric)  


A beater bar is not needed on a mini turbo/electric brush attachment, because of what is being cleaned. The area being cleaned is not thick like a house full of carpeting.  In most cases, the attachment is cleaning furniture.  This attachment does well w/o the beater bar feature.

The design of a mini brush attachment would have to be designed differently.  That is why I said I have a hard time believing the Tristar attachment has a beater bar.  The brushroll would have to be much larger in diameter than what is being used now.  That would take up more space, which means that the mini brush would need to be designed larger.  This would then accommodate a larger brushroll.  But it is not going to happen.

The mini brush attachments do fine for what they were intended for.  

The Rug Rat mini turbo brush actually vibrates the surface better than the HOOVER and many other mini brushes.  It uses a larger fan and larger brushroll.  The bristles are stiffer than others also.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 02/05/07 at 2:54pm


Mike_W. wrote:
[quote author=Tri-Star_Vacman link=1155772614/20#22 date=1170112316]I'm surprised that none of the turbo or electric "mini-mate" has a beater bar or a spiral shaped brush roll compared to their full-sized nozzles & uprights.  The beater bar can enhance cleaning performance in tight places (car interior) & the spiral shaped roller having longer, stiffer bristles just like the Hoover WT upright & PN.  Why don't the mfr's put beater bar on the mini-mates (turbo & electric)  


A beater bar is not needed on a mini turbo/electric brush attachment, because of what is being cleaned. The area being cleaned is not thick like a house full of carpeting.  In most cases, the attachment is cleaning furniture.  This attachment does well w/o the beater bar feature.

The design of a mini brush attachment would have to be designed differently.  That is why I said I have a hard time believing the Tristar attachment has a beater bar.  The brushroll would have to be much larger in diameter than what is being used now.  That would take up more space, which means that the mini brush would need to be designed larger.  This would then accommodate a larger brushroll.  But it is not going to happen.

The mini brush attachments do fine for what they were intended for.  

The Rug Rat mini turbo brush actually vibrates the surface better than the HOOVER and many other mini brushes.  It uses a larger fan and larger brushroll.  The bristles are stiffer than others also.
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Does the Rug Rat TB have good suction on the brush area?  I've never used the RR TB before despite making a monthly trip to the vac shop to find a new TB but only found a Hoover TB & the sale price is $39.99 at that shop; however I've seen them cheaper on Ebay & other websites.

Another thing surprised me is that the new Kenmore Mini-mate has softer bristles than the one I have (mine has cogged belt) & they BARELY touch the carpet compared to the RainbowMate & the Hoover TB.  This is REALLY SICKENING that the TB (most brands incl. Dyson) also has softer bristles than the Hoover & the other vacs need to have GOOD QUALITY turbo or electric Mini-mates.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 02/07/07 at 5:24pm


Mike_W. wrote:
[quote author=Tri-Star_Vacman link=1155772614/10#14 date=1168996925]i wonder how effective the Dyson turbo brush works because the Hoover TB cleans VERY good & has great brush tuft design but I hate that the turbine is in the dirt path because it cracked after picking lots of small stones from my car.  How much is the dyson TB & which of their 2 designs is better?


What you need to do is first pick up the small stones w/o the mini turbo brush.  It is easy to do and takes no time at all.  After you pick up most of them, put the turbo brush attachment on and vacuum thoroughly.

If you do not want to do that, then purchase the dyson mini turbo attachment.  The prices are going to be the same everywhere, but you can get discounts at some stores like BB&B.
[/quote]

Why do the mfr's put the turbine RIGHT IN THE DIRT PATH?  Someone should redesign these TB's b/c they'll soon be filling the landfills & junk yards if the vac mfrs continue to make these nozzles with the turbine in the dirt path.  How effective would a TB be if the turbine was to the side where the dirt can't touch the fan?  I think it'd be a BETTER design b/c there'd be MORE suction on the brush area, & the brush can spin faster than if the turbine is in the dirt path b/c the dirt won't lodge into the fan, reducing efficiency; + the TB would LAST LONGER = less problem cleaning out the tool (but still have 2 clean out the brush bearings)

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by tiger21 on 02/07/07 at 6:17pm

The problem of a turbo tool is as you described TS Man. It has been that way since the beginning. Ther is no effective way of getting air thru the turbine without being in the dirt path. That is why the electric powered tools are made.
 You also have to remember as the cleaner loses suction, the turbine will slow down.  The thicker the carpet the slower the turbine powered nozzles will go.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by earthworm on 02/11/07 at 1:34am

So, then, I gather that the so-called turbo brush attachments are not so effective unless they are electrically powered.

Automobile carpeting is quite rugged, I have used a steel brush effectively in conjunction with the powerful shop vacuum.
On the carpeted steps, as the steps are economy sized(for poor people), vaccuming is not easy.
And the middle weight Optima 430 struggles with this task.
Their accessory "turbo brush"($22 or so) may help on the small steps, but, from what I read, I think not......

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by old-timer on 02/11/07 at 11:00am

FYI, both electric and airdriven mini hand held brushes stall,it's due to either too much suction or not enough,take a look at the base plates the answer lies in here ;).And dont forget about the suction control valve.Hand held mini's are only good for particular applications. Which ones you ask?. This my friend only comes from EXPERIENCE..................


 O.T.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 02/20/07 at 7:37pm

Is the Shop Vac TB made by HP Vacuflo b/c the Rug Rat & Shop Vac TB's look similar in design.  I'm going 2 make a custom brush roll for my Hoover brush (spiral shape) so it can produce a "beats-as-it-sweeps" cleaning action for the car, & I'd get it done faster instead of having to put pressure down on the nozzle on carpeted surfaces in the car.  Where can I get the stuff used to make the bristles to put on the "custom" roller or should I get brush strips?  Does anyone recommend this idea to soup up the "mini-mate"?

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 03/01/07 at 6:07pm


tiger21 wrote:
Carmine,
   As far as beater bars , the manufactures have found them damaging today's carpets. Most of the new beater bar brushes had plastic inserts and as the bars got nicked carpets started being damaged.
For a short period Electrolux (now Areus) had beater bars on their commercial power nozzles. When reports came in about damage complaints on carpets, they were removed and stopped being used. Since the introduction of the first power nozzle by Electrolux in 1959 there have been numerous improvements and changes due to the changing carpets.

That really isn't true esp. with the Eureka Vibra Groomer 2 brush rolls since they're METAL beater bars instead of plastic like the ones used now by other vacs.
Too bad the Rainbow Mate's brush roll bearings don't come off to clean them out, that's why they melt easily once long hair strands work their way into the bearings.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 03/09/07 at 4:54pm


Tri-Star_Vacman wrote:
[quote author=tiger21 link=1155772614/20#28 date=1170219968]Carmine,
   As far as beater bars , the manufactures have found them damaging today's carpets. Most of the new beater bar brushes had plastic inserts and as the bars got nicked carpets started being damaged.
For a short period Electrolux (now Areus) had beater bars on their commercial power nozzles. When reports came in about damage complaints on carpets, they were removed and stopped being used. Since the introduction of the first power nozzle by Electrolux in 1959 there have been numerous improvements and changes due to the changing carpets.

That really isn't true esp. with the Eureka Vibra Groomer 2 brush rolls since they're METAL beater bars instead of plastic like the ones used now by other vacs.
Too bad the Rainbow Mate's brush roll bearings don't come off to clean them out, that's why they melt easily once long hair strands work their way into the bearings.[/quote]

That's the #1 reason I have trouble with the ELECTRIC mini-mate b/c their brush bearings don't come apart to remove hair from the brush ends. >:(  Most turbo nozzles have REMOVABLE bearings & NOT non-removable like their electric counterparts.  So I am now starting to collect Hoover turbo brushes b/c they have excellent rollers & easy to clean out; they can even beat electric ones (when used with powerful vacs like Tri-Star & shop vacs) :)

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by ponder195 on 03/12/07 at 2:07pm


earthworm wrote:
So, then, I gather that the so-called turbo brush attachments are not so effective unless they are electrically powered.

Automobile carpeting is quite rugged, I have used a steel brush effectively in conjunction with the powerful shop vacuum.
On the carpeted steps, as the steps are economy sized(for poor people), vaccuming is not easy.
And the middle weight Optima 430 struggles with this task.
Their accessory "turbo brush"($22 or so) may help on the small steps, but, from what I read, I think not......

okay Maybe it's the 12 hr shifts and no sleep here but what the Heck is that supposed to mean "as the steps are economy sized(for poor people)" what does this have to do with turbo brushes?

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by ponder195 on 03/12/07 at 2:23pm

This is how I feel on the subject. 1 st. if you are cleaning your car with a turbo brush. Suck up the rocks or pebbles first with an upholstery tool. Then use the turbo brush   in my experience a  wet/dry vac works the best. it common sense rock and a turbine  really dont mix

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 03/16/07 at 5:44pm


dualcyclone wrote:
Mr. Dyson had the same problems with the turbo brushes available, so he invented his own.  The Dyson-built Mini Turbine Head works flawlessly, year after year.  Mostly because the dirt does NOT pass through the turbine blades (unlike any other turbo head).  I have an adapter to use the Dyson head with other 1 1/4 inch wand cleaners, and have used it with great success on most of my cleaners in the collection.  The Dyson-built turbine head for the car (included in the car cleaning kit from Dyson) actually spins the brushes FASTER, the harder you press down.  Again, the dirty air is NOT drawn through the turbine, so picking up rocks and coins does not bother the Dyson Mini Turbine Head(s).


There's a way to redesign the turbo nozzle so the dirt bypasses the turbine & maximum brushing action but I think the vac co's don't want to mess with the turbo brushes' desings since they claim their curent design is efficient.  Just look at Dyson car turbo brush they did a good thing (the only good thing from Dyson so far) with their TBs & the turbine & bearings stay clean.

Title: Re: "Mini-Mate" attachment
Post by Tri-Star_Vacman on 04/03/07 at 6:50pm

Every vac should have a mini-mate so people won't have hard time cleaning tight places with a regular upright or canister vac. :)

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