Quote from HARDSELL on 04/15/07 at 9:30pm:

 
HS:
 
If good performance and proper product pricing doesn't make for an icon name brand for lightweight vacuums with 50 years of history in the industry, then I don't know what does?  Maybe poor performance and overpricing?   Yes, of course, that's the reason ORECK's are used in hotels, motels, air-ports, and by all the nationwide household cleaning services.  Poor performance and overpriced!  I should have known.  Thank you for clarifying this for me.    
 
I said XL not XL21.  $300 is the RETAIL going rate for the XL.  In fact customers can buy for less too with a little effort.  It's not just what satisfied ORECK customers say, it's what CR, CRI, and ASTM say about ORECK's performance.  For years in comparative industry tests (against your favorite bagless brands too).   That's not sales hype and sales hawking like you dyson lovers speak.  
 
These are the facts from independent industry sources.  And an 18 year useful product life ON THE LEAST EXPENSIVE ORECK MODEL with a quality network of ORECK stores and independent dealers to support the products make ORECK a trusted household name AND an excellent vacuum cleaner purchase too.  
 
As usual you're ducking the issue and changing the subject:
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/15/07 at 11:25am:

 
Carmine D.
 
 

I love it!  And saw this ad on TV.  And posted about it on the Forum.
 
Dave Oreck, the vacuum man for all seasons.  As a punk rocker!  You go Dave!  In a class of his own.  My point exactly. No comparison.  Thank you.
 
I'd like to see "stuffed shirt" engineer James Dyson top that Oreck commercial.  Keep in mind that Dave Oreck is an octogenarian and a WW11 (the big one) veteran.  Not many WW11 veterans around any more.  Let alone as a punk rocker.
 
Quote from old-timer on 04/15/07 at 11:25am:

 
I noted that the dyson DC21 Stowaway canister after making its luck warm (more like tepid) debut in mid Feb 2007 at the VDTA in Vegas has not been advertised by a single big box store yet!  Not SEARS, BEST BUY, Bed Bath and Beyond, TARGET, Kohl's AND.........not even a dyson TV commercial and/or print ad.   I wonder why.  Could it be the $500 price tag?  Dum, dum, dum, dum.  
 
Carmine D.
 

Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/15/07 at 9:59pm:

How much do hotels pay for the Orecks versus other consumers? Long ago someone told me that hotels used to get a much, much lower price than retail consumers, and that David gave the hotels the vacs at cost so that he could turn around and tout his machine as being used by so many hotels. Not a bad marketing strategy. Does he still do it? Or did he ease the hotel prices back up towards his retail over time?
 
As for the DC07, yes, for my application it is the best of the Dyson line. We do a lot of tool work with it, and it has the most airwatts. Also, working on glued down carpet, the brushroll choice is less of a disadvantage. I still think that the best applications for the Dyson technology would be as a commercial vacuum, and as a shop-vac, and strangely Dyson has never introduced either, at least in the US. Probably the worst application is as a canister because the necessary cyclones don't make for a handy canister shape.  
 
Whenever I stop in on this board, I always feel like I'm watching a trainwreck. But which train is it that is going to wreck? Dyson? The big boxes? The indies? Hoover? Or will all the trains keep going their own way?

Quote from cprohman on 04/16/07 at 4:40pm:

 
Hello Carl:
 
Here's a free vacuum history lesson to correct what you were told in error/misunderstood.  
 
When ORECK broke into the vacuum industry in the USA many years ago (almost 50 now), it did not get a warm reception.  Just the opposite.  Many of the vacuum makers at the time compared it to a play vacuum because of its lightweight.  To prove the worth and performance of his 8 pound ORECK lightweight (which was innovative at a time when most vacuums were almost 3 times as heavy on average), David ORECK set out to dominate the hotel and motel cleaning industries with his vacuum cleaners.  That was a very bold move on ORECK's part.  NO vacuum maker had ever attempted such a mass market takeover.  If it failed, ORECK, in all probability, would have been history in the USA.  Instead, what happened after wards is vacuum history.  And ORECK has maintained the lock on the cleaner of choice at motels and hotels for decades (and now even household cleaning services).  
 
My sense is these entities buy from ORECK in such huge quantities year after year with quantity guarantees, that they are saving substantially from the MSRP.  As they should and would in the real world of business.  Wouldn't you expect this to be the case in business?  I wouldn't doubt if ORECK gives these organizations a deal on their parts and repairs too.  That's usually how businesses work and forge lasting relationships.  
 
Carmine D.  

That sounds pretty consistent with what I heard. Thanks.