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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #130 - 04/06/07 at 12:40pm
 
Quote from lionsweeperuser on 04/06/07 at 11:58am:
I just bought a 1920's Premier Junior upright on ebay.  It's supposed to be in good working condition and probably weighs no more than 9 pounds.  Since it is light weight and has a revolving brush and since I'm 70 years old, I may actually use it occasionally!

Happy Easter to all.

Jim Kirby (lionsweeperuser)

 
Hello Jim (HAPPY GOOD FRIDAY):
 
Being rather long in the tooth myself and remembering the Premier and GE Juniors from the early 1920's, I can say almost with ONE HUNDRED percent certainty they do not have revolving brushes.  These sold for about $25 (not including attachments) and even used screw in plugs.  They had a brush that snapped on the rug and floor nozzle for cleaning.
 
They did have the Good Housekeeping Institute approval.  Later to become the Good Housekeeping seal of approval.  It's nice to see OLD things still around and doing well!  
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #131 - 04/06/07 at 6:20pm
 
People say the DC18 Slim is expensive compared to other Dyson Vacuums and other cleaners of course.  I can't comment in the US but here in the UK the Dyson DC18 Slim is no more expensive than the DC03 when that came out in the lates 90's.  That retail at £279.99 when it first came out and the top model £299.99.  The only difference between the 2 was the Zorb kit!  They both had x2 HEPA Filters.  To say the DC18 is a complete improvement on the DC03 to retail around the same price is very good!  Yes if you compare it to some other Dyson models (depends which one) it can retail more!  The Dc07/DC14 Animal in the uK retail normally at £299.99 where as the DC18 is £279.99!
 
If you shop online that price can change.  A well known Supermarket was retailing the DC18 Slim at £154.00 at one point!  Well over a £100 off the RRP!
 
Yes it can be more than other Dyson Models like the DC07/DC14 but so was the DC03 compared to  the DC01 and even when the DC04 came out after! Yet the DC03 still sold because the main facter was the light weight compared to the DC01/DC04.
 
The DC18 slim has more power (1200 watt) to the (700 watt) DC03, better brush bar, and weights about the same give or take a bit, has to be good value to retail at the same price in the UK!  It has the ball technology but a simple version of it!  Alright the DC03 laid flat on the floor to go under furniture and you could hang it on the wall but the DC18 is a much needed replacement here in the UK for the DC03.  I think it is one of the best Dyson uprights Dyson has produced for the UK.  It certainly is selling well here!  My Mum is impressed with it!
 
The DC18 head is I believe the same size of the DC01 that James Dyson launched into the UK around 1993/1994!  Like the DC01 the DC18 fit easy into smaller places unlike other Dyson models.
 
I personnally think the DC18 suction is the same as the the DC15 when using the tools!  The main cleaning head is probably better! Why?  I think that is down to the fact:
 
1: Central air intake from the brush bar area
2: Head is samller
3: No large debris channel at the front so no suction is lost there
 
People didn't moan here in the UK when prices for Vacuums started to rise in the late 80's and early 90's to over £100 if not the £200 mark.  They paid for a good Hoover TurboMatster or Electrolux 600 series!  Yet there was nothing special about them other than the motor wattage increased.  Dyson comes along and retails his technology over £200 and some people start to question it!  I have to say since Dyson came onto the UK market the vacuum market has gone down hill here in the UK.  Other brands like Hoover and Electrolux are knocking out 'cheap' vacuums compared to there 70's, 80's and earlier 90's models!  Mainly all cheap bagless models that look cheap!  No wonder Dyson and models like the Slim are doing well in the UK!  UK people have realised you have to pay for better technology and Dyson at present fills that gap!
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #132 - 04/07/07 at 8:27am
 
Hello JD:
 
Thanks for the synopsis of the dyson variations in the UK.
 
Here's a US perspective.  The DC15 All Floors Ball is a 10 amp motor (not the industry standard of 12 which is a criticism of the model by the US experts) and is rated at 220 air watts (dyson's definition for suction measurement).  It retails in the USA for $499.
 
The DC18 Slim is rated at 200 air watts and retails for $469.  Dyson does not specify the amps but uses watts instead (1400), a measurement dyson has always said is meaningless for motor performance.  And the USA dyson Web site no longer specifies the DC07 and DC14 air watts.  Why?  A good question for dyson to answer.  Since the company made such a big deal of it.  I think dyson is being slick (and not in a good way).  But I digress.
 
Probably a negligible difference in air watts between the DC15 and DC18 (20) unless you compare both to the DC07 All Floors (the first model dyson launched in the USA in Aril 2002).  It's rated at 300 air watts and retails for $399.  Now that's 100 and that is a big difference.  
 
Which leads me to the saying I like to quote from the Columbia School of Business by Professor Bruce Greenwald:  "In the long run, everything is a toaster."  Meaning all dazzling innovations end their days as commodities, products that are bought only according to their price.  Vacuums are the same (IMHO).  
 
Dyson can add new "balls and whistles" to the old DC07 (retails for $399 and has 300 air watts) and charge more.  But dyson can't compromise the quintessential feature of vacuums (called air watts by James) by a whopping one third percent (to 200) and charge more.  No, not here in the USA.  IMHO.  I think US buyers are more savvy.
 
Toasters grill bread.  Vacuums pick up dirt.  
 
To quote a famous American:  You can fool some of the people, some of time; you can fool all of the people some of the time; but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.  
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #133 - 04/07/07 at 9:23am
 
So Carmine are you saying Constant suction as measured by Air watts should be the number one criteria in measuring vacuum performance?  For what it is worth I think it is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #134 - 04/07/07 at 9:45am
 
Quote from JimB on 04/07/07 at 9:23am:
So Carmine are you saying Constant suction as measured by Air watts should be the number one criteria in measuring vacuum performance?  

 
Hello JimB:
 
Thank you for making me laugh today.  Why?  Interesting that you ask me that question after James, dyson, you (here) and dyson fans on the Forum always say so (or said so in the past).  It seems the rules (dyson's rules NOT dyson rules) have changed since the DC07 launch and most notably lately.  
 
Here's how I answer your question:  Make up your mind:  Is it important (300 air watts) or isn't it important (200)?  Dyson made the rules on air watts not the US vacuum industry in the USA.  The US used amps and wattage.  Dyson cried "foul" and proclaimed AIR WATTS.  Does your rule of air watts apply or doesn't it?  And if not, why not?  Why the change?
 
Why are the DC07 and DC14 air watts ratings not specified on the USA dyson Web site anymore?  undecided
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #135 - 04/07/07 at 9:57am
 
Quote from JimB on 04/07/07 at 9:23am:
 For what it is worth I think it (being air watts) is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle.

 
Sounds like dyson (and you) are trying to have it both ways.   undecided
 
This is exactly what so called "dyson-haters" have said all along.  It's taken 5 years for "dyson-lovers" to agree.  Chalk one up for the "dyson-haters" thanks to the DC18 and DC21.  
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #136 - 04/07/07 at 10:23am
 
I made it clear what I feel about airwatts:
" For what it is worth I think it (being air watts) is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle."
 
See it is not tough I clearly stated what I think so there is no need to try to spin and put words in my mouth in how I feel about them.  I am not trying to have it both ways I think is an important piece of the puzzle.  Much more important than the amps that some makers were using.  The question is what you think about them as you are seeming to have it both ways attacking dyson for using it as a tool of measurement and now attacking them with it saying it should be the only tool used to measure dyson.  Let's please not turn this into pages of personal attacks about dyson as a whole I was just asking a simple question about what you think the value of Airwatts was as you are using them a lot lately.
 
So can you give a straight answer is it a good measuring tool that should be part of the picture or not?  
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #137 - 04/07/07 at 11:04am
 
Hi,all these airwatt ratings are taken at the motor out of its enviroment,probally with a 240 volt charge put into it.
 
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #138 - 04/07/07 at 11:54am
 
I agree Old timer an Airwatt rating taken at the motor is useless.  In my my mind it is about as useful as judging a vacuum by how much electricity it uses which to me always seemed silly.
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Re: Dyson DC18 Slim Upright Vacuum Cleaner
Reply #139 - 04/07/07 at 12:18pm
 
Quote from JimB on 04/07/07 at 10:23am:


So can you give a straight answer is it a good measuring tool that should be part of the picture or not?  

 
Hello JimB:
 
I already did.  You're not paying attention.   Wink
 
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Hello JimB:

Here's how I answer your question:  Make up your mind:  Is it important (300 air watts) or isn't it important (200)?  Dyson made the rules on air watts not the US vacuum industry in the USA.  The US used amps and wattage.  Dyson cried "foul" and proclaimed AIR WATTS.  Does your rule of air watts apply or doesn't it?  And if not, why not?  Why the change?

Why are the DC07 and DC14 air watts ratings not specified on the USA dyson Web site anymore?  undecided

Carmine D.

 
Quote from Carmine_Difazio on 04/07/07 at 9:57am:
Quote from JimB on 04/07/07 at 9:23am:
For what it is worth I think it (being air watts) is more important than many in the industry would admit but should still only be a piece of the larger puzzle.


Sounds like dyson (and you) are trying to have it both ways.   undecided

This is exactly what so called "dyson-haters" have said all along.  It's taken 5 years for "dyson-lovers" to agree.  Chalk one up for the "dyson-haters" thanks to the DC18 and DC21.

Carmine D.

 
 
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