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Lucky1


Joined: Jan 2, 2008
Points: 271
Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Original Message   Feb 19, 2011 5:06 pm
A famous German Vacuum soon to be available at your local Oreck Dealer.....Hummm.
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #10   Feb 22, 2011 6:32 pm
vacmanuk wrote:
Sorry Carmine, I was responding to Hardsell's news about Oreck but I realise now this member is spouting rubbish. As ** IF ** Dyson were so kind to their employees - I'm not too sure UK Dyson employees took too kindly when Dyson shifted their customer response unit to other countries. My neighbour's son is a classic example. Worked for Dyson for about 8 years, went to engineer and design R&D dept and within less than a year was told that his job and others were being shifted to Asia. Oh yes, Hardsell, Dyson are so original and customary to their workers - NOT!

What is the problem with the Panasonic motor that Dyson used?  Oreck has far more motor failures.  Hey! Carmine is the one who claims that Dyson employs hundreds of engineers.  Could he be exagerating...............AGAIN?
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #11   Feb 22, 2011 7:11 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
What is the problem with the Panasonic motor that Dyson used?  Oreck has far more motor failures.  Hey! Carmine is the one who claims that Dyson employs hundreds of engineers.  Could he be exagerating...............AGAIN?


The motor costs $50 wholesale and is used in Pano's least expensive big box store models some selling for as little as $70.  Dyson used the motor in its top of the line models selling for $550. 

Carmine D.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #12   Feb 22, 2011 7:31 pm
HARDSELL wrote:
What is the problem with the Panasonic motor that Dyson used?  Oreck has far more motor failures.  Hey! Carmine is the one who claims that Dyson employs hundreds of engineers.  Could he be exagerating...............AGAIN?



Not quite correct with your information as usual.  This is excerpted from the dyson web site:

Research, design and development

New ideas are the lifeblood of Dyson. Every year, we invest our profits back into harnessing them at our research and development laboratory in Wiltshire, UK. There are 350 engineers and scientists based there. Thinking, testing, breaking, questioning.

Again I ask you as I have many times in the past and anxiously await your response: What new products has dyson launched lately with their 350 scientists and engineers?

Carmine D.
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #13   Feb 22, 2011 9:45 pm
CarmineD wrote:
The motor costs $50 wholesale and is used in Pano's least expensive big box store models some selling for as little as $70.  Dyson used the motor in its top of the line models selling for $550. 

Carmine D.


A $50 motor costs more than all the parts of an Oreck.  The Oreck sells for $800. 
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #14   Feb 22, 2011 9:49 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Not quite correct with your information as usual.  This is excerpted from the dyson web site:

Research, design and development

New ideas are the lifeblood of Dyson. Every year, we invest our profits back into harnessing them at our research and development laboratory in Wiltshire, UK. There are 350 engineers and scientists based there. Thinking, testing, breaking, questioning.

Again I ask you as I have many times in the past and anxiously await your response: What new products has dyson launched lately with their 350 scientists and engineers?

Carmine D.


Actually you have added nothing to show that I was wrong.  You have harped for years about the # of Dyson engineers.  Doesn't matter where your excerpt is from it has not been here until now.

I have not responded to a useless question.  Dyson has produced more in the last 5 or 6 years than Oreck has since its inception.  What does Oreck sell that they did not copy or buy due to incompetent engineers?
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #15   Feb 23, 2011 7:26 am
HARDSELL wrote:
A $50 motor costs more than all the parts of an Oreck.  The Oreck sells for $800. 

A $50 Pano motor that's 40 years old in the industry in a $550 TOL dyson vacuum is profiteering and engineer ennui.

Carmine D.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #16   Feb 23, 2011 7:39 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Actually you have added nothing to show that I was wrong.  You have harped for years about the # of Dyson engineers.  Doesn't matter where your excerpt is from it has not been here until now.

I have not responded to a useless question.  Dyson has produced more in the last 5 or 6 years than Oreck has since its inception.  What does Oreck sell that they did not copy or buy due to incompetent engineers?


Once again not correct [as usual].  The claim of 500 engineers was a written and oral promotional claim made by dyson and Sir James when the company launched in the USA.  Dyson has culled the number and tried to keep the claim unspoken/unwritten [quiet] lately as dyson products have trickled out, been discontinued over the last 5-6 years, suffer from major defects, or just plain disappointed its users after they plunked down huge amounts of money. 

Carmine D.
HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #17   Feb 23, 2011 7:58 am
CarmineD wrote:
A $50 Pano motor that's 40 years old in the industry in a $550 TOL dyson vacuum is profiteering and engineer ennui.

Carmine D.


How much does the motor in an Oreck, Hoover or similar vac cost?  I suspect the luxury vacs such as Miele have an inexpensive motor also.  They just sell the parts at high prices to make buyers think they are getting higher quality.

Did you mention that the $800 Oreck uses a very inexpensive motor.  Not to mention all the problems with the brush rolls and belts on their $800 vacs.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #18   Feb 23, 2011 8:02 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Actually you have added nothing to show that I was wrong.  You have harped for years about the # of Dyson engineers.  Doesn't matter where your excerpt is from it has not been here until now.

I have not responded to a useless question.  Dyson has produced more in the last 5 or 6 years than Oreck has since its inception.  What does Oreck sell that they did not copy or buy due to incompetent engineers?



Uprights: ORECK Edge, Pilot, and Element just to name a few.  All from ORECK and made in the USA.

Carmine D.
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894
Re: Oreck may have an announcement shortly
Reply #19   Feb 23, 2011 8:07 am
HARDSELL wrote:
How much does the motor in an Oreck, Hoover or similar vac cost?  I suspect the luxury vacs such as Miele have an inexpensive motor also.  They just sell the parts at high prices to make buyers think they are getting higher quality.

Did you mention that the $800 Oreck uses a very inexpensive motor.  Not to mention all the problems with the brush rolls and belts on their $800 vacs.

And think you bought a HOOVER Platinum bagged lightweight Power Team for $599 from BEST BUY that is made and sold as a direct copy of ORECK.  And boast about it here.  I luv it!

Carmine D.
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