Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

A famous German Vacuum soon to be available at your local Oreck Dealer.....Hummm.

CarmineD wrote:
Didn't I ask you a question?  You are skirting around it.  I did not ask for details of threads.  One person said that it looked like a Bosch.  Vacmanuk said that he has seen it before as a Swan.  He also said that he has seen other vacuum cleaners that we know as Eureka, in the US.  So that is where you say panasonic made vacuum cleaners for Eureka also.  You see,  you take info, comments, etc. from someone else and make it your.  You even put your own twist on it.   

I will post in do time.  The answer will come out and the thread will still be here.  It does not even have to be me.  I brought it to the light. 

Curiosity has got the best of me.  What about the ORECK makes it a Panasonic?  Is it the hose, cord, power nozzle?  I sure would like to know.

CarmineD wrote:
HOOVER did have some models w/ wheels that did fine on stairs.  HOOVER, Eureka, GE, etc. had straps, so that it could be carried over the shoulder.   

It would be a bad idea to "glide/slide" these small machines around. The older ORECKs,Eurekas,GE's, Premiers had hoses that would come out.  The new HOOVER is not made to pull around, because the hose is not made to withstand it.

The word "copied" is used too often on this site.  If copying were so true, then everyone copied the first electric vacuum cleaner.    ORECK chose to market their two vacuum cleaners as "buy the upright, get the compact vacuum free".  HOOVER markets theirs by saying "purchase the upright and the small vacuum cleaner".  You see there is a difference.  HOOVER  is upfront about it.

Pairing the two vacuums together is good marketing.  If the upright is sold alone today, there will be those who complain about not being able to do above-the-floor cleaning.  They would have a negative attitude about the upright.  If the upright is paired, so they could clean more surfaces, they will be happier.  Their attitude/feelings towards the brand will be positive. 

Have you heard of "the perfect pair"?  No, this is not from ORECK.  It was from decades before David Oreck started his company.  This ad phrase is from General Electric's Tidy vacuum cleaner.  It had a strap, so the user could carry it over the shoulder.  This vacuum was paired w/GE's upright vacuum cleaner, so the house could be cleaned from top to bottom.

Mike_W wrote:

I remember the GE Tidy Vac well.  Repaired and sold many.  Even some of the later GE models like it.  Thank you for asking.

Carmine D.

Mike_W wrote:

Mike W:  You just don't get it, do you.  Let me take another tact.  Whoever makes the Quest, if the company is in China as many of the sourced makers are including the maker of Quest, it's not worth $499 even with the ORECK name and network of 500 stores to back it up.  [My bad, I said $400 in my post].  For that much $ it should be USA and or German made.  Hope you get my point now.  If not ask nicely and I'll answer your questions.  

Carmine D.

vacmanuk wrote:

Hello Vacmanuk:

I have the precursor to the Hoover portapower called the Swingette.  Late 60's made.  No wheels.  Like the ORECK.  Some did come with wheels and some with wheels extra.  I preferred no wheels.  Matter of choice and preference depedning on your needs and uses.  Still works like a charm after all these years.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
Yes Carmine, but you made a statement previously that Hoover copied Oreck. So timewise, when the Oreck canister appear? Isn't a case of being the other way around that Oreck brought out their portable canister after Hoover?

vacmanuk wrote:

If you read my post Vacmanuk, I said HOOVER copied the marketing strategy of a lightweight upright and compact canister as a dual cleaning team from ORECK.  If you want to focus on who made the compact canister/handheld first, I would say HOOVER since it is much older than ORECK.  Long before there was an ORECK company, HOOVER made a handheld/handcleaner called a Pixie with shoulder strap and attachments.  But that was not my point and if you gleaned that you should go back and reread.  I was referring to ORECK's marketing strategy on the dual team vacuums, not who made what first.

What started this tangent is that you said ORECK is the only maker that does not have wheels.  I said the HOOVER doesn't.  Posted a pic for you when you asked.  Mike W. gave another from over 5 decades ago that did not have wheels.  GE Tidy Vac.  Came with shoulder strap and attachments.  Slightly irrelevant since the age makes it obsolete at this point.  The current HOOVER compact [with lightweight up] is relevant to your statement. And HOOVER mimics [copies if you will] the ORECK company by not offering wheels on the sidekick cleaner.  You said you don't have those in the UK.  But later posted you had/familiar with the HOOVER portapower in the UK in the 1980's which for all intents and purposes is the same cleaner as this current HOOVER which I posted and pictured for you.  Just like the ORECK with no wheels.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
You can use this little routine of trying to make it look like someone is just not "getting it" all you want.  People see right through it, because you do it all the time.  I could stand on my head and you still would not answer.  That is okay, because you already gave answers to the forum.

Here is another contradiction. 
CarmineD wrote:
A $499 ORECK  is not worth it, if it is made in China, but you plan on purchasing it before you even take it for a test drive?  You will be so happy w/it, that you will not mind if the price drops after your purchase.

CarmineD wrote: Oh, it is very relevant to this discussion.  You remember the phrase I always mention.  You have quoted me many times.  "What is old is new again!"  I mentioned, in an earlier post that GE already used this type of marketing to sell their upright and portable-Tidy.  ORECK later markets their upright with their portable as "purchase upright and get the portable vac for free".  HOOVER comes along and markets it w/o the "FREE". 

You cannot go around and say things are copied.  There are only a finite number of ways to produce/market.  We cannot go around and say one vacuum cleaner copied another, because they are selling door-to-door like the previous company.  One company has a vacuum cleaner line, then another company comes out w/their line that looks similar.  They have made slight changes though.  There are times that these changes actually benefit the user.

A company designs a vacuum cleaner w/a swiveling hose-copied.  A company puts a hose on the front-copied  There are/were many uprights w/bags on the back, many w/ bags on the side, and many w/bags mounted in front. 

There have been products, since the beginning, that look similar.   Like I have said many years ago, this works out for the purchaser.  As long as you know there is a difference between the machines, a person could be fine w/it.  

Mike_W wrote:

As usual Mike W. you jump to conclusions that are flat out wrong.  I posted that I would order/buy when I was under the assumption it would be German made [as in BOSCH/MIELE] and at $499 to me is worth the $.  When I learned its true country of origin [China], I declined to order.  But I said I would be back to scope it out on arrival. Remember it is due in March 30.  With luck I was told.

Carmine D.